>From: fhn@everton.com >To: history@everton.com >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:42:36 -0400 >Subject: [FHN 19jul00] Research Tip: Locating Ancestors in Catholic >Religious Orders >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) >Sender: owner-history@everton.com > >EVERTON'S FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE >Wednesday, 19 July 2000 > >Research Tip: Locating Ancestors in Catholic Religious Orders > >Given the vow of celibacy required for those in Roman Catholic >religious orders, many family historians tend to disregard the >records of these orders when searching for their ancestors. After >all, if these religious brothers and sisters took such a vow, they >wouldn't have any children, would they? > >Leaving aside the delicate issue of those who violated their vows, it >was indeed common for some in Catholic religious orders to have >children. Children conceived and raised before those men and >women devoted their lives to the church. > >Although less common today, in centuries past it was considered >normal for both men and women who were widowed to leave the secular >life and devote the remainder of their days to religious service. >These people had already spent decades raising families and >performing the normal range of parental duties. But with their >children grown and their spouses gone, they chose to combine their >charitable efforts with others, often in a monastery or convent. > >If you cannot find records of your ancestor's later life in the >"normal" parish registers, consider the records of religious orders >operating in the area. These are generally kept by the order itself, >not by the parish or diocese, and may include the date the person >entered the order, details of some assignments given as part of their >religious life, and the date and place of death. Living descendants >may also be mentioned. > >Resources: > >Vocations - Men's Religious Orders, Catholic Information Center on >the Internet >http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Vocations/mensorders.html > >Vocations - Women's Religious Orders, Catholic Information Center on >the Internet >http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Vocations/womensorders.html > >The Official Catholic Directory: Anno Domini 1999 >P J Kenedy & Sons >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0872179877/evertonpublisher > > * * * * * > MARYLAND & DELAWARE CHURCH RECORDS, 1600s to 1800s > Indexed and ready to use in your search > for your East Coast ancestral roots. > Just $29.95 > http://everton.com/specials/cd178 > * * * * * > > July only! One year of On-Line Search for $19.95 (SAVE $30) >https://www.everton.com/evertonpublishersinc-67/mck-htdocs/subscribe-ols.html > >Copyright 2000, Everton Publishers >All rights reserved >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE is a free daily genealogy news service from >Everton Publishers >P.O. Box 368 >Logan, UT 84323 >Toll-free: 1-800-443-6325 >http://www.everton.com >To subscribe, send a message to lists@everton.com with the >message: subscribe history >To unsubscribe, send a message to lists@everton.com with the >message: unsubscribe history >Recent articles are available online at http://www.everton.com/FHN/

Carol Anne, I was looking over the story of the murder of your great grandparents (Kathye Knight sent me a copy as this was sent before I joined your group) Emile Chiniquy & Victorine Bourgeois. Victorine Bourgeois was my great great grandmother's sister (Philomene Bourgeois 1836-1895 married to Zephyren Cyr 1832-1901). Do you have information on the siblings of Philomene? I would love to share information. Teresa Ashcraft

Rena, I saw your reply after I had already replied to Bob. Do you have information on Isaac's line? Thanks. Teresa

Bob, I don't know who Issac Cyr's parents are. All I know is that he & his wife Kathleen (per tombstone) are buried in Ames, KS. The stone gives a date of birth as 1804 and date of death as 1890. Kathleen's stone has date of birth 1815 and date of death 1901. I know they are the parents of Edward Cyr 1845-1933, who married an Amelia Cyr (daugher of David Cyr & Marie Oligny, this is my CYR line). Any ideas? Teresa Ashcraft

In a message dated 7/18/2000 2:33:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DaSinga31@aol.com writes: << about the first ancestors of mine to settle in Kankakee Co. >> Thanks, Bren, for sending that very useful material. Because we are working with a relatively small pool of people, the lines often mesh - so much fun to see who ends up related to whom. Salut to all! Ginny VCrawf@aol.com Listowner/Administrator - ILSTANNE-L

Hi Carol Anne, Can I still get the chapter "Pioneer Days"? Thank you. Teresa Ashcraft

Hi Bren, Do you have any information on the LANDRY line.... I am searching for a Julie LANDRY that married a Joseph MARTIN probably around 1870... They lived and I believe were buried in Kankakee, Illinois. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Deborah BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: DaSinga31@aol.com [mailto:DaSinga31@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:27 PM To: ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILSTANNE] HÉBERT, BOUDREAU, etc.: The Next Generation Okay, this is about the first ancestors of mine to settle in Kankakee Co. key: (in case you need it) StR = St. Rose Church or Cemetery Kkk = Kankakee br. = buried bp. = baptized Brb = Bourbonnais PQ = Québec Province d/o = daughter of s/o = son of b/o = brother of Moyse HÉBERT (s/o Joseph II & Marie MÉTRAS) b. abt 1825 PQ, d. 27 Feb 1873 Kkk, br. StR (hit and killed by an express train). M. 3 Nov 1845 St-Valentin, PQ to Marguerite BOUDREAU (d/o René & Madeleine SURPRENANT). She was b. 20 Apr 1818 L'Acadie, PQ, d. aft 1876 Kkk? They had: Moïse; Joseph (b. 18 Aug 1847 St-Valentin, PQ, d. u/k, m. 10 Oct 1869 Kkk to Adesse SPOONER); Marie-Marguerite (b. 3 Oct 1849 St-Valentin, PQ, d. u/k, m. Jul 1869 Kkk to John E. KING); Rosalie (b. 19 Dec 1850 Lacolle, PQ, d. aft. 1876, no other info); Marie-Louise (b. 13 Jun 1852 Napierville, PQ, d. 1933, m. 1869 Kkk to Louis RITCHIE II); Jean-Baptiste (b. 11 Nov 1853 Napierville, PQ, d. 15 Aug 1856 Napierville, PQ); Louis (b. 12 Sep 1855 Napierville, PQ, d. 11 Aug 1856 Napierville, PQ); & Jean-Baptiste (b. 17 Jul 1857 Napierville, PQ, d. 26 Jan 1862 Napierville, PQ). Moyse, Marguerite and their family came to Kankakee County sometime during 1862 or 1863. Prudent FORTIER (s/o Joseph & Madeleine CARPENTIER) I only know he was b. in PQ, I don't know if he ever came to IL. He m. Marie-Olive WOLFF (d/o August Ludwig & Marie-Louise BISSON or BUISSON). She was b. in PQ and was in the 1880 Kkk Census living with Moyse and Marguerite. I don't know if she died in Kkk Co. or if she returned to PQ. The mention of her in the 1880 Census is the only mention of her in Kkk Co. They had three children (maybe more): Sophie (b. abt 1830 PQ, d. u/k, m1. 9 Jan 1855 Louiseville, PQ to Desiré MAILLET II, m2. 12 Oct 1872 Kkk to Henri FLAGEOLE); Godfroy (b. 1836 PQ, d. 13 Oct 1922 Kkk, br. StR, m. 14 Jun 1858 Kkk to Elizabeth MORSE). It looks like Godfroy was the first to arrive in Kkk Co., Desiré and Sophie may have come about that same time. I can't tell when Clémentine came, all I know is she came before 1868. Charles BOUDREAU (s/o Étienne II & Marie-Louise BOURASSA) b. 1825 PQ, d. 21 Aug 1901 Brb, br. Maternity BVM. M. 13 Jan 1846 Napierville, PQ to Marguerite GAREAU DITE ST-ONGE (d/o Joseph & Marguerite LANDRY). She was b. in PQ and d. Brb, br. Maternity BVM? They had: Phillistre (Félix b. abt 1846 PQ, d. bef. 1909, m. 5 May 1872 Kkk to Virginie PAYANT (d/o Louis & Virginie LaROCHE)); Charles (b. abt. 1848 PQ, d. 1926?, m. Caroline (m.n. u/k)); Élisabeth (b. abt 1850 PQ, no other info); Délene(sp?) (b. abt 1851 PQ); Lucien (m1. poss. 21 Jul 1872 by Fr. Th. ROY, Roman Priest to Agnès STRODEUR, m2. 26 Apr 1909 StR to Virginie PAYANT); Éterna(sp?) (b. abt 1856 IL); & George (b. abt Jul 1860 Kkk Co); And finally: Georges DOXTODER (STRUDER) (s/o Jean-Baptiste & Josette GERVAIS) bp. 25 May 1834 in Blairfinde, PQ, d. 3 Jul 1901 Brb, IL, br. Maternity BVM. M. 6 Nov 1855 in Henryville, PQ to Martine-Mathilde LaVOIE (d/o Sixte or Xiste & Marguerite MAILLOUX). She was b. abt. 1836 in PQ, d. 1 Feb 1909 in Brb, IL, br. in Maternity BVM. The children I have been able to confirm are as follows: Martine-Mathilde (b. abt. 1858 in PQ, m1. 24 Feb 1873 to Charles VASSEUR, m2. to ? BISAILLON), Agnes (b. abt 1859 in PQ, d. bef. Apr 1909 in IL, m. 21 Jul 1872 to Lucien BOUDREAU), Elisabeth (b. abt. 1865 in PQ, poss. m. 5 Aug 1878 to Aubin BOUDREAU), Eveline (b. abt. 1866 in PQ or IL, m. 28 Jan 1879 in Kkk Co, IL to Joseph LeCLERC), George (b. abt 1866 in PQ or IL, no other info), Emma (b. abt. 1868 in IL), Charles (b. abt. Dec 1874, d. Apr 1875, br. Maternity BVM), Joseph Zephyr (b. abt Dec 1876, d. Apr 1877, br. Maternity BVM), Maria (b. abt. 1878 in IL), Arthur (b. abt. Jul 1881 in IL, m. Marie PONTON, d. 5 May 1904, br. Maternity BVM). In "The Dockstader Family" book Doris Dockstader Rooney shows only three children: Marie-Martine (bp. 1856), and Marie-Mathilde (bp. 1858) both baptized in St-Alexandre, PQ and a Laura born in Bourbonnais. I never found anything about a Laura in Kkk County. And references to the oldest daughter refer to her as either Martine or Mathilde, I never found any other daughter with the name Mathilde. The thing that makes this family soooo difficult to track down is that the last name is spelled different in just about EVERY reference to them! Bren ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Bren Have you ever come accross "Eli or Louis Landry"? Their father may have been Isidore Landry but I have no proof of this. Eli was born in 1838 in Clinton County, New York and married Eliza Louisa Allain (1869) at Kankakee, Illinois and later moved to Cloud County, Kansas. Louis was born in 1844 and married Julia Peltier (1869) at Clinton County, New York. They also moved on to Kankakee and Cloud County. Thanks, Kathye -- Kathye Snyder-Knight Carthage, Missouri

Do you know what children they would have had in 1880? I looked through the Illinois pre-1901 marriage index, but didn't find anything. I even tried MARTIN grooms married to brides with a surname beginning with L. I saw a Joseph MARTIN married to a Julie PATENAUD, and that was in 1869. If you know what the names of their children who were born before 1880 it will help me find them in Fr. Ledoux's book on the French-Canadian families of Kankakee and Iroquois counties. Bren

Re: The thing that makes this family soooo difficult to track down is that the last name is spelled different in just about EVERY reference to them! Bren It's not just "this family"...believe me...it's ALL of them. Perhaps there was a strange law back then, stating that you weren't allowed to use the same spelling twice? Today I am looking at a 1672 CT document with 56 signatures. About 4 of them are legible. These men couldn't write their own names clearly enough to be read. I may as well be in an Egyptian tomb deciphering hieroglyphs on the walls. Let's hope our eyesight holds out long enough to finish our genealogy. Audrey

Hi Teresa, Isaac Cyr born 1 Jul 1806 in L'Acadie, (son of Joseph and M. Josephe Marchand) and Catherine Fortin (daughter of Henri and Catherine Poutre) were married in St-Valentin 5 March 1832. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Goodcyr@aol.com> To: <ILSTANNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] (no subject) > Rick, > > Do you have any information on a Kathleen Fortin that was married to Isaac > Cyr? They were both buried in Ames, KS and had a child Edward Cyr. I am > researching the CYR family and haven't been able to find much on this family. > > Thanks, > > Teresa Ashcraft > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Okay, this is about the first ancestors of mine to settle in Kankakee Co. key: (in case you need it) StR = St. Rose Church or Cemetery Kkk = Kankakee br. = buried bp. = baptized Brb = Bourbonnais PQ = Québec Province d/o = daughter of s/o = son of b/o = brother of Moyse HÉBERT (s/o Joseph II & Marie MÉTRAS) b. abt 1825 PQ, d. 27 Feb 1873 Kkk, br. StR (hit and killed by an express train). M. 3 Nov 1845 St-Valentin, PQ to Marguerite BOUDREAU (d/o René & Madeleine SURPRENANT). She was b. 20 Apr 1818 L'Acadie, PQ, d. aft 1876 Kkk? They had: Moïse; Joseph (b. 18 Aug 1847 St-Valentin, PQ, d. u/k, m. 10 Oct 1869 Kkk to Adesse SPOONER); Marie-Marguerite (b. 3 Oct 1849 St-Valentin, PQ, d. u/k, m. Jul 1869 Kkk to John E. KING); Rosalie (b. 19 Dec 1850 Lacolle, PQ, d. aft. 1876, no other info); Marie-Louise (b. 13 Jun 1852 Napierville, PQ, d. 1933, m. 1869 Kkk to Louis RITCHIE II); Jean-Baptiste (b. 11 Nov 1853 Napierville, PQ, d. 15 Aug 1856 Napierville, PQ); Louis (b. 12 Sep 1855 Napierville, PQ, d. 11 Aug 1856 Napierville, PQ); & Jean-Baptiste (b. 17 Jul 1857 Napierville, PQ, d. 26 Jan 1862 Napierville, PQ). Moyse, Marguerite and their family came to Kankakee County sometime during 1862 or 1863. Prudent FORTIER (s/o Joseph & Madeleine CARPENTIER) I only know he was b. in PQ, I don't know if he ever came to IL. He m. Marie-Olive WOLFF (d/o August Ludwig & Marie-Louise BISSON or BUISSON). She was b. in PQ and was in the 1880 Kkk Census living with Moyse and Marguerite. I don't know if she died in Kkk Co. or if she returned to PQ. The mention of her in the 1880 Census is the only mention of her in Kkk Co. They had three children (maybe more): Sophie (b. abt 1830 PQ, d. u/k, m1. 9 Jan 1855 Louiseville, PQ to Desiré MAILLET II, m2. 12 Oct 1872 Kkk to Henri FLAGEOLE); Godfroy (b. 1836 PQ, d. 13 Oct 1922 Kkk, br. StR, m. 14 Jun 1858 Kkk to Elizabeth MORSE). It looks like Godfroy was the first to arrive in Kkk Co., Desiré and Sophie may have come about that same time. I can't tell when Clémentine came, all I know is she came before 1868. Charles BOUDREAU (s/o Étienne II & Marie-Louise BOURASSA) b. 1825 PQ, d. 21 Aug 1901 Brb, br. Maternity BVM. M. 13 Jan 1846 Napierville, PQ to Marguerite GAREAU DITE ST-ONGE (d/o Joseph & Marguerite LANDRY). She was b. in PQ and d. Brb, br. Maternity BVM? They had: Phillistre (Félix b. abt 1846 PQ, d. bef. 1909, m. 5 May 1872 Kkk to Virginie PAYANT (d/o Louis & Virginie LaROCHE)); Charles (b. abt. 1848 PQ, d. 1926?, m. Caroline (m.n. u/k)); Élisabeth (b. abt 1850 PQ, no other info); Délene(sp?) (b. abt 1851 PQ); Lucien (m1. poss. 21 Jul 1872 by Fr. Th. ROY, Roman Priest to Agnès STRODEUR, m2. 26 Apr 1909 StR to Virginie PAYANT); Éterna(sp?) (b. abt 1856 IL); & George (b. abt Jul 1860 Kkk Co); And finally: Georges DOXTODER (STRUDER) (s/o Jean-Baptiste & Josette GERVAIS) bp. 25 May 1834 in Blairfinde, PQ, d. 3 Jul 1901 Brb, IL, br. Maternity BVM. M. 6 Nov 1855 in Henryville, PQ to Martine-Mathilde LaVOIE (d/o Sixte or Xiste & Marguerite MAILLOUX). She was b. abt. 1836 in PQ, d. 1 Feb 1909 in Brb, IL, br. in Maternity BVM. The children I have been able to confirm are as follows: Martine-Mathilde (b. abt. 1858 in PQ, m1. 24 Feb 1873 to Charles VASSEUR, m2. to ? BISAILLON), Agnes (b. abt 1859 in PQ, d. bef. Apr 1909 in IL, m. 21 Jul 1872 to Lucien BOUDREAU), Elisabeth (b. abt. 1865 in PQ, poss. m. 5 Aug 1878 to Aubin BOUDREAU), Eveline (b. abt. 1866 in PQ or IL, m. 28 Jan 1879 in Kkk Co, IL to Joseph LeCLERC), George (b. abt 1866 in PQ or IL, no other info), Emma (b. abt. 1868 in IL), Charles (b. abt. Dec 1874, d. Apr 1875, br. Maternity BVM), Joseph Zephyr (b. abt Dec 1876, d. Apr 1877, br. Maternity BVM), Maria (b. abt. 1878 in IL), Arthur (b. abt. Jul 1881 in IL, m. Marie PONTON, d. 5 May 1904, br. Maternity BVM). In "The Dockstader Family" book Doris Dockstader Rooney shows only three children: Marie-Martine (bp. 1856), and Marie-Mathilde (bp. 1858) both baptized in St-Alexandre, PQ and a Laura born in Bourbonnais. I never found anything about a Laura in Kkk County. And references to the oldest daughter refer to her as either Martine or Mathilde, I never found any other daughter with the name Mathilde. The thing that makes this family soooo difficult to track down is that the last name is spelled different in just about EVERY reference to them! Bren

Okay, according to my DB I'm related to Céline comme ça: 8th cousin Once removed 10th cousin Once removed Half 10th cousin Once removed 10th cousin Twice removed Half 10th cousin twice removed 12th cousin Once removed Half 12th cousin Once removed Like I said I need to go through the database family by family and make sure I've got the info accurate. Bren

I believe I am a cousine to Céline. I'm entering the info from the website into my database to figure out what the connection is. :o) I guess I inherited a comparable voice (I wouldn't say it's AS nice as Céline's, unless it only improves with professional recording, and then if it does, what does her voice sound like outside a studio???). I didn't get the tall, thin genes, though, I took after my short, English great-grandma on my mom's side. I'll send a report when I figure out the relationship between me and Céline. I know I have LANGLOIS, and maybe GUYON/DION, not sure. I have to re-enter a lot of info into my DB. Bren BTW -- IF anyone would like to hear me singing a Céline song, go to: http://members.xoom.com/kwojukebox/riverdeep.ram and my daughter sings a little French ditty at: http://members.xoom.com/kwojukebox/prout.ram and you can vote for us, too at: http://www.kwojukebox.com/voting.html you can vote as best overall, and best under Pop/Adult Contemporary. :o)

In a message dated 7/17/00 5:43:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!, VCrawf@aol.com writes: << Thought we'd enjoy this - and Brenda Hebert (DaSinga), what of YOU? Do let us know if you are among the Dion-related! >> I am!! I can't sing well either.

As a matter of fact, Ginny, yes, I too am related to Celine Dion....I think, if I remember correctly without looking, she's an 8th cousin, once removed. I didn't inheirit the singing voice.......or willowy good looks either. My great grandmother was a Dion - same family, but you have to go back a few generations before they connect. It's a fun association though, and my kids have gotten a big kick out it. My daughter, who is a teacher, has impressed her junior high students with the fact that she is a relative. Myrna

In a message dated 7/17/00 10:43:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, VCrawf@aol.com writes: << Notice that the family name originally was Guyon, descending from Jacques Guyon and Marie Huet, who were married before 15 Apr 1583 in France. Other ancestors listed include Louis Hebert and Marie Rollet, Zacharie Cloutier and Zainte Dupont, Guillaume Fournier and Francoise Hebert, Nicolas Roy and Catherine Barre, Noel Langlois and Francoise Grenier, and Francois Belanger and Marie Guyon. Those same names appear in the family trees of millions of other people living today. >> Bonjour Everyone, I have Jacques GUYON & Marie HUET plus FOURNIER, LANGLOIS, GRENIER, BELANGER etc in my line. I sure guess that makes her my cousin but I sure don't have her voice. <G> Carol Anne

The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2000 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. <<<Do you have French-Canadian ancestry? If so, you are probably related to Celine Dion. Celine has quite a few of the early settlers of Quebec in her family tree. You can probably find a number of matches with your French-Canadian family tree. When I looked at a list of Celine Dion's ancestors, I noticed more than 16 of my ancestors were listed. Celine and I are cousins several times. (She inherited the singing voice; I certainly did not.) I suspect that most anyone with ancestry in the Quebec City area may find similar relationships. You can find an excellent Web page detailing Celine Dion's ancestry at Norm Brunette's Web page: http://www.scarolina.com/the-french-canadian-connection/celinedion. Notice that the family name originally was Guyon, descending from Jacques Guyon and Marie Huet, who were married before 15 Apr 1583 in France. Other ancestors listed include Louis Hebert and Marie Rollet, Zacharie Cloutier and Zainte Dupont, Guillaume Fournier and Francoise Hebert, Nicolas Roy and Catherine Barre, Noel Langlois and Francoise Grenier, and Francois Belanger and Marie Guyon. Those same names appear in the family trees of millions of other people living today. Source documentation is not available on the Web site. However, most of the information should be available in the standard French-Canadian genealogy reference works, including Drouin and Jette.>>>> Thought we'd enjoy this - and Brenda Hebert (DaSinga), what of YOU? Do let us know if you are among the Dion-related! Salut to all, Ginny VCrawf@aol.com Listowner/administrator, ILSTANNE-L

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<< I will be making a family history pilgrimmage to St. Anne Aug. 1 to gather information about BONVALLET.......Does the KVGS have a library? >> The KVGS has a very nice genealogy section at the Bourbonnais Library that you really shouldn't miss. (I don't know what I did with the address and I couldn't find it posted on their website, but I'm sure someone has it) Have fun!! :-) Holly