Hi Ginny, I presume Louise also d. in Kankakee, IL. You wanted anything I had on the children. It is in the Decendancy chart for Charles, which follows. Descendants of Charles Alexander Stebenne 1 Charles Alexander Stebenne b: 1 October 1830 in Marieville, Que. d: 4 May 1889 in Kankakee, IL Fact 1: Greenlee-Stebbins Gen., vol. 1. age at d: 58 +Louise Muenier b: 1832 in Marieville,Que. m: 3 March 1851 in Marieville, Que. d: 20 May 1888 in Kentland, Indiana. Father: Ignace Meunier Mother: Desanges Veilleux age at d: 56 est. 2 Alexander G. Stebbins b: 7 October 1852 in Marieville, Que. +Rachel M. Stebbins b: 27 April 1862 in Kankakee, Illinois m: 29 September 1877 in Fowler, Indianna Father: Louis Damien Stebenne Mother: Euphrasie Fontaine 3 Fred A. Stebbins b: 11 August 1879 3 Lilly M. Stebbins b: 5 September 1881 2 Louisa Stebenne b: 1853 d: 1853 age at d: 0 est. 2 Louis Stebenne b: 11 October 1858 +Jennie Boljick m: Abt. 1879 2 Peter Stebenne b: 1860 d: 7 July 1867 in Kankakee, IL age at d: 7 est. 2 Mary Stebenne b: 1862 d: 1874 in Kentland, Ill. age at d: 12 est. 2 Anna Stebenne b: 1864 +Marshall Budreau 2 Tilla Stebenne b: 1872 +William Warren ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have various bits of information about other STEBBINS/STEBENNE in Kansas, Indiana and Wiscounsin and had hopes you might have been able to connect with them. Howard STEBBINS New Haven, County, CT ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Howard - you may be getting lucky here, in that several of our listers have family that moved from Illinois to Fowler INDIANA - I'm sure they will let you know who they are. They may have some good leads for you. Don't neglect to look for STEBBINS and MILLER as well as STEBENNE and MUENIER. I see you do have the death location for Louisa Muenier/Miller - it is Kentland IL, where some others in the family appear to have settled. One may guess that she went with one of them to be with family after her husband's death and died then. Or, Alexander died on a business trip to Kankakee. Checking out the newspaper for the several weeks around the death date may be next on your list. Where was he buried, do you know? Fr. Chiniquy traveled with good-size groups in 1851 and also in later years, I think - then more French-speakers came from other areas as well as from Quebec in subsequent years. Your family seems to have remained in Montreal until at least 1860. Did the family stay Roman Catholic? That could be a clue (!). Good luck. Ginny Crawford

I think I found Howard's Charles Alexander STEBENNE semi-incognito under the name of ALEXANDER STEBBINS. Birthdate 21 Oct 1830 in 3 or 4 places (although not Oct 1st), place correct (Marieville=Montreal). LDS-IGI source; I recorded the batch numbers. Alexander's father is given as another ALEXANDER STEBBINS and his mother as MARY FOUNTAIN. Couldn't find Louisa MUENIER - butdid find that an ALEXANDER G. STEBBINS had been born on 7 Oct 1852 to ALEXANDER STEBBINS and LOUISA MILLER. This family was still in (or back in) Montreal in 1860, when Mary was born. Did not find birthdates of any other children, nor of Louisa. Sorry! Hope this much was helpful. *********************************** Well, I have this really bad cold, see - and all I've been doing today is playing with the computer. Yes, yes - I know I should have been doing bank statements. . . . Best to all, Ginny

Hi Ginny, Idon't have where Louise MUENIER died but I presume she also died in Kankakee, IL. Until a few weeks ago I knew my Ancestor only as STEBBINS, Alexander. I presume that he was a follower of your ancestor, Fr. CHINIQUY. I have no proof. I presumed that you might have more information to furnish. The information that I have about the children is in this Descendants Chart for the father. Descendants of Charles Alexander Stebenne 1 Charles Alexander Stebenne b: 1 October 1830 in Marieville, Que. d: 4 May 1889 in Kankakee, IL Fact 1: Greenlee-Stebbins Gen., vol. 1. age at d: 58 +Louise Muenier b: 1832 in Marieville,Que. m: 3 March 1851 in Marieville, Que. d: 20 May 1888 in Kentland, Indiana. Father: Ignace Meunier Mother: Desanges Veilleux age at d: 56 est. 2 Alexander G. Stebbins b: 7 October 1852 in Marieville, Que. +Rachel M. Stebbins b: 27 April 1862 in Kankakee, Illinois m: 29 September 1877 in Fowler, Indianna Father: Louis Damien Stebenne Mother: Euphrasie Fontaine 3 Fred A. Stebbins b: 11 August 1879 3 Lilly M. Stebbins b: 5 September 1881 2 Louisa Stebenne b: 1853 d: 1853 age at d: 0 est. 2 Louis Stebenne b: 11 October 1858 +Jennie Boljick m: Abt. 1879 2 Peter Stebenne b: 1860 d: 7 July 1867 in Kankakee, IL age at d: 7 est. 2 Mary Stebenne b: 1862 d: 1874 in Kentland, Ill. age at d: 12 est. 2 Anna Stebenne b: 1864 +Marshall Budreau 2 Tilla Stebenne b: 1872 +William Warren ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:27:28 EDT VCrawf@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 9/10/2000 1:24:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > stebbhs@juno.com writes: > > << STEBENNE, > Charles Alexander, b. 1 Oct 1830, Marieville, QC., d. 4 May 1889, > Kankakee, IL. He m. MUENIER, Louise, b. 1832, Marieville, QC., & > d. 20 > May 1889. 7 Known ch., Alexander, Louisa, Louis, Peter, Mary, Anna > and > Tilla. >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Bon soir, Howard ! I see that the one Kankakee reference you have > given is > the death date of Charles - and I see that Louise died about 2 weeks > after he > did: was she also in Kankakee Town? And - do you happen to have > any birth > dates or locations for the children? An obit for Charles in a K3 > paper? > > Any idea why Charles came to the area? Sometimes that helps. > > Well, we'll sharpen our figurative pencils; maybe one of us can find > > something, although our expertise is more in the little town of St. > Anne than > in Kankakee. Please send any added detail that occurs to you. > > Good luck! > > Ginny Crawford > ILSTANNE-L list administrator > VCrawf@aol.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 9/10/2000 1:24:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stebbhs@juno.com writes: << STEBENNE, Charles Alexander, b. 1 Oct 1830, Marieville, QC., d. 4 May 1889, Kankakee, IL. He m. MUENIER, Louise, b. 1832, Marieville, QC., & d. 20 May 1889. 7 Known ch., Alexander, Louisa, Louis, Peter, Mary, Anna and Tilla. >> Bon soir, Howard ! I see that the one Kankakee reference you have given is the death date of Charles - and I see that Louise died about 2 weeks after he did: was she also in Kankakee Town? And - do you happen to have any birth dates or locations for the children? An obit for Charles in a K3 paper? Any idea why Charles came to the area? Sometimes that helps. Well, we'll sharpen our figurative pencils; maybe one of us can find something, although our expertise is more in the little town of St. Anne than in Kankakee. Please send any added detail that occurs to you. Good luck! Ginny Crawford ILSTANNE-L list administrator VCrawf@aol.com

Hi Ginny, I have only identified one direct ancestor in the area. STEBENNE, Charles Alexander, b. 1 Oct 1830, Marieville, QC., d. 4 May 1889, Kankakee, IL. He m. MUENIER, Louise, b. 1832, Marieville, QC., & d. 20 May 1889. 7 Known ch., Alexander, Louisa, Louis, Peter, Mary, Anna and Tilla. There are many more STEBBINS/STEBENNE families I have heard of in the three state area but have not been able to connect them with my Charles and Louise. Cheers, Howard STEBBINS New Haven Cty., CT PLAIN Text only. NO ATTACHMENTS. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

1. Louis Nault m. 3 Mar 1851 St-Barthélémi, Berthier, QC Julie Brouillette 2. Jean-Baptiste Nault m. 12 Feb 1816 Maskinongé, QC 3. Françoise Thibodeau 4. Basile Nault m. 26 Jan 1789 St-Cuthbert, Berthier, QC 5. Marguerite Plante 6. J-Baptiste Thibodeau m. 13 Feb 1775 Maskinongé 7. Françoise Pagé 8. Basile Nault b. Sep 1743 Deschambault, QC, m. 7 Jul 1766 Maskinongé 9. Marie-Hélène Lapierre b. 1743 10. J.-B. Plante 11. M.-Louise Cottu 12. J.-B. Thibodeau b. 3 Jun 1713, m. 11 Nov 1744 Port-Royal, Acadie 13. M.-Joséphe Doucet 16. Mathieu Nault b. 23 Sep 1717 Deschambault, QC, m. 16 Jul 1741 Deschambault 17. Louise Arcand d/ Pierre & Véronique Cauchon 32. Francois Naul m. 20 Jul 1676 L'Ange-Gardien, QC 33. Marguerite Jobidon etc. If anyone wants more of the pedigree, let me know. --Bob

I made some progress on this line also: 1. Julie Bareille dit Lajoie m. 13 Aug 1827 Maskinongé, QC Pierre Brouillette 2. Alexandre Bareille-Lajoie m. 25 Oct, 1790 Maskingongé 3. Elisabeth Duchény 4. Pierre Bareille-Lajoie 5. Marie-Victoire Petit 8. Philippe Bareille m. 15 Aug 1709 Montreal 9. Jeanne Croteau 10. Jean Petit dit Milhomme m. 4 Jan 1727 Ste-Foye, QC 11. Catherine Tapin-Plinchon bpt 25 Jan 1704 Pointe-aux-Trembles 16. Mathurin Bareille from Doeuil, Saintes, France 17. Marie Dalleye 18. Vincent Croteau 19.Jeanine Godequin 22. René Tapin 23. M.-Louise Loriot

Hi everybody. Just wanted to give you Theodore Fortier's ancestors that I have found: 1. Theodore Fortier b. 30 Aug 1813 Yamachiche, QC 2. Charles Fortier IV b. 29 Aug 1781 Yamachiche, m. 9 Feb 1807 Yamachiche 3. Félicité Blais b. 4 Jan 1787 Yamachiche 4. Charles Fortier III b. 13 Feb 1745/46 St-Jean, I.O., QC, m. 19 Jul 1773 Yamachiche 5. M.-Charlotte Barabé b. 5 May 1758 Yamachiche 6. Charles Blais b. 1 Dec 1758 Yamachiche, m. 3 Oct 1785 Yamachiche 7. Marguerite Brisard-St-Germain b. 29 Mar 1762 If anyone wants more of the pedigree, let me know. --Bob

In a message dated 09/05/2000 12:30:12 PM Central Daylight Time, BobinMonterey@aol.com writes: << Is anybody researching the PILOTTE clan of St. Anne? --monterey bob >> Bob, I'm researching the family of Jacob Pilotte, early settler of Bourbonnais, later of Iroquois County. What is it you need to know? Dave K

Try interlibrary loan through your local library. My library searched all over the U.S. and took care of shipping in both directions. Cost to me: 50 cents per book. Quick review of Fifty Years in the Church of Rome and Forty Years in the Church of Christ: Many pages of anti-Catholic diatribes, with some interesting history mixed in. There are a few pages about St. Anne. Ken Bonvallet

Thought this was worth passing on. Audrey {eters http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/gencomp/1877.asp What Are We Going To Do About Bad Data on the Internet? – Patricia Law Hatcher EDITOR'S NOTE: See also "Thoughts on Correcting Bad Data on the Internet" by Patricia Law Hatcher. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- One of the advantages of electronic publishing on the Internet is that, unlike paper, it can be changed easily so mistakes won’t be perpetuated. Right? I wonder. Last summer I wrote an opinion piece for GC about poor Sarah Odding. The information I found about her on the Internet was clearly conflicting, flawed, and—no surprise—undocumented. Somewhere along the way she’d become a data element instead of a woman who had once been a living, breathing person who was now a part of the heritage of thousands of American descendants. The point of the article was that I had realized that all of us have ancestors stored in our databases we collected early in our research and have verified. I suggested we take care to publish on the Web only what we have worked on ourselves. Although Sarah had been dead for three centuries, I felt sorry for her—she isn’t even one of my ancestors. I’d become so attached to poor Sarah Odding that I gave up a day of my own research in Salt Lake City to track down her real father. (The results were published in The American Genealogist concurrent to the GC article; both articles referenced each other.) I thought how fortunate it was that Sarah’s incorrect ancestry and personal information was merely in electronic files on the Web, which could be changed easily. Communication on the Internet is fast—virtually instantaneous. How wonderful to know that Sarah’s history could be put back together again quickly thanks to the electronic age. Alas. Recently I searched for Sarah again. None of the sites had been corrected. Even worse, new ones repeating the misinformation had mushroomed. I even found two additional instances of incorrent ancestry as my article was being edited. This was depressing. So not everybody got the message. I kind of figured I was preaching to the choir. But surely as more and more descendants got word, I thought we’d see the correct ancestry appearing on new pages and spreading like the rings from a stone thrown into a pond, demonstrating that there is value in Web genealogy. Not so. The really depressing part of this whole experience is that the correct ancestry appeared on only one new site, and it was apparently generated with software that did not support documentation. Instantaneous spread of information? I don’t think a year can be considered instantaneous. So what are we going to do? Most genealogists recognize that lots of folks throwing their pedigrees onto the Web are name collectors rather than researchers. Name collectors don’t necessarily understand that genealogy and family history are hard work. But I don’t think it occurred to most of us that the vast majority seem not to be researchers. So what are we going to do? Do we start a campaign to send e-mail flagging every known incorrect ancestry and, in the process, quit doing research ourselves for lack of time? Do we split genealogy into two disparate worlds—name and real genealogists? Is that division overly simplistic? Do we decide to ignore the situation and say that it’s OK for people to happily collect names of someone else’s ancestors (or even of nonexistent individuals) and disseminate the misinformation? The first option isn’t practical (although not a bad idea in moderation). But I’m not willing to support the other two. Whenever I’m tempted to utter the modern equivalent of "let them eat cake," I think of my cousin in Nebraska. I live ten minutes from a major research library; she lives on a cattle ranch. I do most of my research in microfilm and published abstracts; she does a major portion through communication. For her the Internet has been a major boon. Does she deserve the correct ancestors any less than I? I don’t—more importantly, I won’t—believe that. So what are we going to do? Patricia Law Hatcher, CG, is a technical writer, instructor, and professional genealogist.

Is anybody researching the PILOTTE clan of St. Anne? --monterey bob

Holly, Thanks so much for sharing your web site with us. The "LINKS TO GENEALOGY WEBSITES " is very helpful, plus... I really like the photo of you and Don. It's so nice to see faces on the folks I have corresponded with. I also find Father Chiniquy a most interesting character and enjoyed Pat's story. I have a copy of his book "Fifty years in Church of Rome" Copyright 1886. It was handed down to me by family. I feel blessed to have and in time I'll probably "will it" to one of the libraries or historical societies in Cloud County or Kankakee County. Love to all, Kathye -- Kathye Snyder-Knight Carthage, Missouri kathyek@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~kathyek/index.html

Hi Pat, Thank you for sharing the beautiful story. I became aware of the fascinating Fr. Chiniquy story, while working on genealogy at the Kankakee library over 20 yrs. ago. I have been fortunate to find 1 book written by Chiniquy at a library book sale and 2 more on ebay, more recently. My deceased father-in-law's cousin was a nun who lived to be quite old. She told me that she remembered (as a child) seeing Fr. Chiniquy while he was visiting at her grandparents' home. Holly forgue@webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/Forgue/ForgueMore

Hi, Holly, You're welcome. Actually, I was able to get two of Fr. Chiniquy's books through Amazon.com. I read both of them. One was 50 years in the Church of Rome and the other one was about the confessional. Pat Forgue@webtv.net wrote: > Hi Pat, > Thank you for sharing the beautiful story. > I became aware of the fascinating Fr. Chiniquy story, while working on > genealogy at the Kankakee library over 20 yrs. ago. I have been > fortunate to find 1 book written by Chiniquy at a library book sale and > 2 more on ebay, more recently. > > My deceased father-in-law's cousin was a nun who lived to be quite old. > She told me that she remembered (as a child) seeing Fr. Chiniquy while > he was visiting at her grandparents' home. > Holly > > forgue@webtv.net > > http://community.webtv.net/Forgue/ForgueMore > -- Home page: http://www.seghea.com/

Bonsoir Pat, That's a wonderful story. Thank you so much for sharing it with us. I have a home page but I only have pictures on it right now. I will be uploading my genealogy information very soon and you can check it out for a possible link to the CHINIQUY line. Carol Anne

In a message dated 8/8/2000 12:55:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pgoltz@nexiliscom.com writes: << a descendant of Father Charles Chiniquy. I am hoping that perhaps some of my relatives were also related to him, because I think he is a really interesting person. When I have the time, I'll tell you a little story about him and the significance he has for our family. >> Bon soir, Pat! Are you going to tell us that story? Salut! from Ginny

Ginny, bon soir to you! Thanks for reminding me! Some years ago, I knew a man who was a Roman Catholic. I first met him because I needed a pro-life speaker for a group. Later on, he helped us buy a house (he was a real estate agent), and he told us about both of the children we subsequently adopted. Well, after we moved away from Columbus, Ohio, we used to write each other, and one day I told him about Fr. Chiniquy. I had a little booklet about him, and I sent my friend a copy. My friend responded by saying he didn't think the fellow had existed. So I began to do some research. First, I called the historical society near Kamouraska, and talked to a Madame Marie-Paule LeBreque, who just happened to answer the phone. She said she had made a particular study of Fr. Chiniquy's life, and she sent me a bibliography of the books he wrote, and a biographical sketch of him in French, which I translated and sent to my friend. The booklet I had about Fr. Chiniquy also talked about the Presbyterian church in St. Anne which he founded, and gave enough information so I could get in touch with them, which I did. Then I learned that they were about to issue a book commemmorating their 100th anniversary, so I ordered one. And then I stuck the book someplace and forgot about the whole thing. Some years later, I was talking to my mother-in-law, and she told me that some of the relatives who had married in to her side of the family lived in St. Anne, so I thought about Fr. Chiniquy again, and I said that maybe some of the family members belonged to his Presbyterian congregation, and I told her the whole story. Well, she was very interested, so not long after I took the little booklet and read it to her. It gave me an opportunity to discuss the Christian faith with her. This was something we had never been able to talk about much, but by now she was very ill, and she was much more receptive. My mother-in-law told me that Edith Corriveau, a relative, had written columns about Fr. Chiniquy, and she gave me a box full of columns by her, which I have someplace (no, I haven't had time to look for it yet). Well, just a few days before she passed away, my mother-in-law accepted Jesus as her Saviour, and I think the story of Fr. Chiniquy played a role in it! So that is pretty much the story, but the whole thing really thrills me, and I find Fr. Chiniquy fascinating, and I admire his courage. I also feel a bit of an affinity for him, because Madame LeBreque told me he had been called the Luther of the Americas, and I happen to be a Lutheran! So naturally, I would love to learn that our family is related to his somehow, which is why I have been looking for information! Au revoir! Pat Goltz VCrawf@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/8/2000 12:55:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > pgoltz@nexiliscom.com writes: > > << a descendant of Father Charles Chiniquy. I > am hoping that perhaps some of my relatives were also related to him, > because I > think he is a really interesting person. When I have the time, I'll tell you > a > little story about him and the significance he has for our family. >> > > Bon soir, Pat! Are you going to tell us that story? > > Salut! from Ginny > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ -- Home page: http://www.seghea.com/

Greetings, Just found another website that I'm passing along: OneGreatFamily.com They're just up and running, but were recommended from another group. Happy hunting! Norma Researching: Delibac, Montbleau, Pecore, Turtle, Trumble