Hello: This Antoine is much. much too old to be the same Antoine who was one year old in the 1850 Bourbonnais Census. (And much, much too old to be a son of Gabriel.) The Antoine in Cloud County seems to be a better fit age wise. richard graveline Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Hibner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list > Thanks Richard. > > I have the 1880 census of Mulberry Twp., Clay Co., KS > Antoine Lambert 45 Canada > m. Catraine 29 Ilinois > Antoine L. 9 Illinois > Mary 7 Illinois > Phillip 4 Illinois > Adelaed 2 Illinois > > I guess I assumed this Antoine age 45 was the same as the 1 in 1850. Although the ages are a little off. > > Could this be one of those Protestant-Catholic splits? > > Jan Hibner > Richmond, IN > > Richard Graveline <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello: > > Based on the ages of the parents and of the children I wonder if the four children were > siblings. > It will be interesting to see the names of the parents from the marriage records (assuming that > they were married at Maternity BVM church). > > There was a Antoine Lambert (Married to a Catherine Breault) who had a couple of children > baptized in Cloud County, Kansas. Louis was born Jun 13, 1880 and Delia was born May 14, 1884. > > Catherine was listed as being born in Illinois and Antoine was listed as being from > Trois-Rivieres. This town might be worth exploring for some birth records of the children of > Gabriel and Rosalie. > > richard graveline > Georgia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Hibner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:00 PM > Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list > > > > I have Antoine Lambert, who is listed in the 1880 census of Mulberry Township, Clay County, > KS. He is a brother to Peter and Gabriel, Peter is my direct ancestor. They were all in Will > Co., Borbonnais in the 1850 census as shown. Also, the 1860 census of Kankakee Co., IL. I don't > know where they were in 1870, but by 1880 they were in Benton Co., IN. > > Here is the 1850 census of Gabriel Lambert in Will Co., Borbonnais. > > Lomberel Gabriel 24 Illinois > > Lomberel Rosalie 23 Canada > > Gabriel 7 Canada > > Peter 5 Canada > > Marcellon 3 m Canada > > Antoine 1 Canada > > > > I have an obituary for Peter who died June 5, 1917 in Remington, IN. It does not mention > Antoine as a survivor. > > > > Also, an obituary for Gabriel, Jr., who died Dec. 26, 1921. No mention of Antoine. > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb > MESSAGE BOARDS at: > > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello: Based on the ages of the parents and of the children I wonder if the four children were siblings. It will be interesting to see the names of the parents from the marriage records (assuming that they were married at Maternity BVM church). There was a Antoine Lambert (Married to a Catherine Breault) who had a couple of children baptized in Cloud County, Kansas. Louis was born Jun 13, 1880 and Delia was born May 14, 1884. Catherine was listed as being born in Illinois and Antoine was listed as being from Trois-Rivieres. This town might be worth exploring for some birth records of the children of Gabriel and Rosalie. richard graveline Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Hibner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list > I have Antoine Lambert, who is listed in the 1880 census of Mulberry Township, Clay County, KS. He is a brother to Peter and Gabriel, Peter is my direct ancestor. They were all in Will Co., Borbonnais in the 1850 census as shown. Also, the 1860 census of Kankakee Co., IL. I don't know where they were in 1870, but by 1880 they were in Benton Co., IN. > Here is the 1850 census of Gabriel Lambert in Will Co., Borbonnais. > Lomberel Gabriel 24 Illinois > Lomberel Rosalie 23 Canada > Gabriel 7 Canada > Peter 5 Canada > Marcellon 3 m Canada > Antoine 1 Canada > > I have an obituary for Peter who died June 5, 1917 in Remington, IN. It does not mention Antoine as a survivor. > > Also, an obituary for Gabriel, Jr., who died Dec. 26, 1921. No mention of Antoine. > > Jan > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks Richard. I have the 1880 census of Mulberry Twp., Clay Co., KS Antoine Lambert 45 Canada m. Catraine 29 Ilinois Antoine L. 9 Illinois Mary 7 Illinois Phillip 4 Illinois Adelaed 2 Illinois I guess I assumed this Antoine age 45 was the same as the 1 in 1850. Although the ages are a little off. Could this be one of those Protestant-Catholic splits? Jan Hibner Richmond, IN Richard Graveline <[email protected]> wrote: Hello: Based on the ages of the parents and of the children I wonder if the four children were siblings. It will be interesting to see the names of the parents from the marriage records (assuming that they were married at Maternity BVM church). There was a Antoine Lambert (Married to a Catherine Breault) who had a couple of children baptized in Cloud County, Kansas. Louis was born Jun 13, 1880 and Delia was born May 14, 1884. Catherine was listed as being born in Illinois and Antoine was listed as being from Trois-Rivieres. This town might be worth exploring for some birth records of the children of Gabriel and Rosalie. richard graveline Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Hibner" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list > I have Antoine Lambert, who is listed in the 1880 census of Mulberry Township, Clay County, KS. He is a brother to Peter and Gabriel, Peter is my direct ancestor. They were all in Will Co., Borbonnais in the 1850 census as shown. Also, the 1860 census of Kankakee Co., IL. I don't know where they were in 1870, but by 1880 they were in Benton Co., IN. > Here is the 1850 census of Gabriel Lambert in Will Co., Borbonnais. > Lomberel Gabriel 24 Illinois > Lomberel Rosalie 23 Canada > Gabriel 7 Canada > Peter 5 Canada > Marcellon 3 m Canada > Antoine 1 Canada > > I have an obituary for Peter who died June 5, 1917 in Remington, IN. It does not mention Antoine as a survivor. > > Also, an obituary for Gabriel, Jr., who died Dec. 26, 1921. No mention of Antoine. > > Jan > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: > http:boards.ancestry.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse through 8.6 million posts on combined Ancestry.com and RootsWeb MESSAGE BOARDS at: http:boards.ancestry.com/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

In a message dated 6/25/2003 6:17:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << THE CLIFTON, ILLINOIS ADVOCATE November 13, 1980 Page 9 Written by NORMA MEIR >> Whew! This is another real keeper - with the bonus of including many many surnames of interest to us. Thanks from us all! Ginny

In a message dated 6/24/2003 8:09:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Some of this information is old, but repeated for the sake of newcomers to the list. >> Greetings, all. A special thank you to Mike! Such a great recap and analysis - I printed it out to add to my St. Anne materials. It's great to hear from so many . More, more! Ginny

Hi Listers The following article was given to me by cousin Kathye Knight, who has been researching our St. Anne - Allain line. I thought it was quite interesting. Mary Boudreau <start article> The following article was written by Norma Meir of Clifton, Illinois. She is a well respected genealogist for the Kankakee and Iroquois Counties of Illinois. It brings to light many of the challenges the ancestors in this book encountered: THE CLIFTON, ILLINOIS ADVOCATE November 13, 1980 Page 9 Written by NORMA MEIR ONCE UPON A TIME... French Canadians sought their fortunes in Kansas Once Upon A Time ... the townspeople of L'Erable shouted "Adieu! Adieu!" to the two departing wagons heading west toward Ashkum. The date was September 9, 1880. Peter Ponton and David Lagesse were going to Kansas to join their fellow countrymen in the settlement of French-Canadians in Cloud and Clay Counties. They were ten years behind the first of their countrymen who sought their fortune on the prairies of northern Kansas. They were several years ahead of their friends and relatives who followed by train. Peter and David's trek west differs in that written notes of their journey exist. These early pioneers who settled at Concordia, Clyde, Aurora and St. Joseph, Kansas, had three common bonds - they were Roman Catholics devoted to their church, they or their parents before them were once the habitants of Quebec Province just southeast of Montreal, and they had first emigrated to Illinois. Straggling down from Canada by wagon or coming by boat across the lakes, the French-Canadian farmers sought new land in Illinois. In 1850, many stopped first at Aurora, then filtered south to populate Bourbonnais, Beaverville, L'Erable, Irwin, Manteno, St. Anne and St. George. Following the civil war, stories of Kansas lands available for homesteading begin to filter back to pioneers here. Forerunners of these Kansas-bound pioneers were area families who settled in the flint hills of eastern Kansas. Jeanne Baptiste Chevalier Dessery left the L'Erable area for Tonganoxie, Kansas, in 1867. Jeanne was a native of France and widow of Jacques Dessery. She traveled in covered wagons with eight of her children and when they arrived in Leavenworth County, they built a stone house in the side of a limestone canyon. When the Indians invaded her house, she chased them out with a kettle of boiling water. David Regnier and his family, perhaps from Beaverville, left for Kansas about the same time, but he settled a bit further west in Pottawatomie County. Joining him was Louis Regnier from Irwin, who arrived at Wamego in 1869. The first French-Canadians to arrive in Cloud County, Kansas were Hillaire Lanoue, Joseph and Fred LaRocque, Noel Delude, J. N. LeCuyer, Celestin Guilbert, Henry Demers and Nicholas Lagesse. All were from Kankakee County and the year was 1870. Nicholas had left his farm at Irwin to take up blacksmithing out west. "They all wrote such glowing accounts of the new country back to their friends and relatives at Kankakee, Illinois, their former home, that soon a stream of French settlers began to trickle into the county. Most of these settled in the country south of Clyde." Father Mollier visited Cloud County in 1871, established a parish at St. Joseph and sent the word for more French-Canadians to come westward. The Allains and the Soucies both left from St. Anne for Kansas. Antoine Allain, Jr., forded the Mississippi River and after seven weeks arrived in Clay County in 1872 where he homesteaded. Until the late 1870's, farmers, cattlemen and railroaders were endangered by Indian raiding parties in Kansas. It was a land of cowtowns - a land where farmers fenced the range to keep out buffalo - and land seeking homesteaders. In the French-Canadian settlement at Irwin in Otto Township, Kankakee County, Jean Baptiste Lapolice loaded his wagon and set out for Aurora, Kansas, in 1871. Louis Lafleche left Irwin for St. Joseph in 1872. Gregoire, Joseph and Marcel Balthazar left Irwin in 1873, arriving by covered wagons in Clyde. They were followed by an exodus of French-Canadians from Otto Township, for in 1876, a wagon train of 15 families was made up in Irwin. Among them were Pierre Lagesse, Laurent Charbonneau, Francois Begnoche, Octave Souligny, Pierre Provost, Charlot Fortin, the Bechard, Bachand and Racette families. They settled at Clyde, Aurora, St. Joseph and Concordia, with the majority in Shirley Township in Cloud County. Shirley Township was bounded on the north by the Republican River and on the east by Clay County. Ambroise Patenaude left Irwin in 1878 and settled near the Regniers at Wamego. The migration to Cloud County continued. Frank Landrie, Joseph Morissette, Joseph Denault, Narcisse Gervais, George Bachant, Edmond Brosseau, Joseph Dumas Sr. and Matthias Tremblay left from the Irwin area. Edward Valcour, Joseph Lagacy and the Dallen family left from Kankakee. Joseph Fortier and Louis Dion probably left from L'Erable. Possibly the first French-Canadians to leave L'Erable for Cloud County were John Baptiste Cote, his wife, Marcelline Lagesse, and their children. J. Emile Michaud and his new wife, Ozilda Lagesse, left for Kansas following their marriage in L'Erable early in 1880. A brother of L'Erable's physician, Emile was a druggist and opened a drugstore in St. Joseph when he arrived. In the late summer of 1880, David Lagesse III, his wife, Sophia Valcour, his brother-in-law, Peter Ponton, and Peter's wife, Amelia Lagesse, had made their decision to try their luck in Kansas. David's account book gives a neat listing of supplies needed for the trip west and for survival through the coming winter, "pare shoe $1.00, pare shoe $2.25, 15 yard print $1.20, cotton flanel 25 cents, sack flour $1.50, 1 dry goods box 50 cents, roap 8 cents, 1 pockit book 25 cents, 1#nails 5 cents, peging shoe 5 cents. " He paid his blacksmith bill of $1.25 and was ready to go. Another page in David's account book is headed, "L'Erable, Ills. Sept 9 1880 bound for Kansas David Lagesse and Petter Ponton, name of places has follow: Sept 9 Ashkum, Sept 10 Piper City, Sept 11 Chatwerd (Chatsworth)" ... and the list continues, naming each town they drove through across Illinois, Missouri and Kansas. They crossed the Mississippi at Keokuk, Iowa, on September 20th, eleven days after leaving L'Erable. Early fall days found the wagons crossing northern Missouri. There were the bad days when the wagons covered only six or seven miles. There were good days, too, when they shortened the road by 30 miles. They reached St. Joseph, Missouri, by October 1st and their wagon tracks deepened the ruts still to be found on the outskirts of that town famous as a gathering point for wagon trains. Their destination was Clifton, Kansas, in Clay County, and they arrived there on October 12th, 34 days after leaving L'Erable. David's first entries in his account book after reaching Clifton, Kansas, surely explain themselves, "Oct 13 Whiskey 45 cents, Oct 14 Whiskey 50 cents, Oct 18 gaugle 25 cents, Oct 19 pare shoe $1.00 and 3 yd mold skin cloth $2.00, Oct 24 Whiskey 10 cents, 1 fine saw $1.50, 1 hames $1.00, Oct 27 5 bu. corn 85 cents, Nov 5 bought one horse $40.00, Nov 13 postage 10 cents, Nov 26 1 tub 75 cents, 4 bar soap 25 cents, Dec 1 1 sack flour $1.25, 1 galion Syrup 60 cents, 8 # beef 40 cents, thread 10 cents." Other L'Erable families began planning a migration westward; some were to make the journey by train, the railroad lines finally reaching into Cloud County in 1878. Some were to fail, give up the fight against drought and grasshoppers and return to their former homes in Kankakee and Iroquois Counties. In 1884, John Baptiste Simoneau, his wife, Mary Rosseant, his brother, Peter Simoneau and Peter's wife, Delphine Bechard, left the Clifton area for Kansas. The brothers went by train, accompanied by their stock, and they were to homestead in Rooks County at Damar, 100 miles west of Concordia. Peter Simoneau's daughter, 90-year old Sister Mary Edmund of the Sisters of St. Joseph, spoke about those days in an interview at the motherhouse in Concordia this summer. "My father came with his brother, they came by train. He had his horses with him. My mother didn't come right away. He told my mother, 'If I like it, I'll send for you.' She had five children by then. My uncle went back, but my father homesteaded there. He built a soddy. There were several people from Illinois who homesteaded there ... Balthazars and LaPlantes. My father came in the early '80's." John Baptiste Hubert and his wife, Josephine Ducat, sold their land in Iroquois County for $1,200 in the early 1880's and went by wagons, with others from the area, to Damar, Kansas. Their daughter, the late Eugenia Hubert Boudreau, recalled in an interview in 1978 when she was 91 years old, "They lived in a dugout house in Kansas. There was no crop in the seven years they were in Kansas, the heat and wind burned up the crops. They held a sale and the only thing that sold was their dog, and it brought $7, a lot of money! Enough to buy their train fare back to Illinois, and they settled at Clifton." It was Eugenia who recalled the true reason why so many gave up and returned to Illinois. Drought, heat, and wind. Not to mention grasshoppers! The obituary of Joseph F. Dessery, who was only ten years old when he went by wagon to Kansas, tells: "He often related interesting stories of the grasshopper invasion: how the insects came in swarms, obscuring the sun and destroying the green vegetation and of remembering seeing them piled five feet deep against a rock fence west of Tonganoxie." Some of those who came back to the Kankakee area were Frank Landrie, Joseph Denault, Joseph Boudreau and some of the children of Pierre Lagesse. John Baptiste Simoneau returned with his family to Clifton. In an interview with Jon A. Simoneau he recalls, "My grandfather (John D. Simoneau) was about 12 years old when he came back from Kansas. While he was in Kansas, he remembered going out in the morning and he would sit in the grassland watching the cattle and when night came they'd bring the cattle back home. We used to ask him where he was from. He always said he came from Kansas - my great-grandparents and my grandfather. He came back here in an ox cart with his parents." (Note: I have hesitated to write briefly on this topic and in these lines have only managed a summary of fascinating and bookworthy subjects. The names mentioned here are only a few of the many French-Canadian names which were to appear in those Kansas counties. It is a fact that the names in the Cloud County phone book nearly match the names in the Clifton phone book. The oldest photographs treasured by these Kansas families often bear the imprint "Kankakee, Illinois", just as the families here find photographs bearing the imprint of "Clyde" or Clifton, Kansas." And, although some of the pioneer surnames mentioned in this article have long since faded from our area their family lines live on in countless hundreds of descendants and relatives living here today. Incredible, but true, some of those families separated by 100 years and 600 miles still maintain contact. There is an ever-growing movement to records as much history as possible about the migration of French-Canadians from the Montreal area to Illinois, the groups who went on to settle in Indiana and Minnesota, and the major migration from Illinois to Kansas.) <end of article>

In a message dated 6/24/03 5:50:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << When ever I see the names "BOUDREAU" "BEAUDRY" "MARION" "GELINO" "FRANCOEUR" I have to wonder - are they somehow related? Mary Boudreau who in an earlier e-mail stated her family ended up in Nebraska sparked one such question now in my mind... I wonder if maybe the Boudreau in her family was somehow related to my great grandmother - and maybe that is why she; Millodel and her first husband {HUBERT GELINO} went to Kansas in the first place - from Illinois. ...but then it could be that they followed Hubert's family to Kansas too - >> Hi Listers This has been a interesting topic and I am so happy that so many are sharing information about the migration. My gr.gr.gr. grandfather Alphonse Boudreau married Cecile (Cecelia) Allain/Allen in 1851, in Will County, Illinois. (Cecile's father and brothers were: Michael Allain and Antoine and Ambrose Allain.) They had four children in St. Anne: Addeline (1852), Alfred Alexandere (1854-1858), Charles Celestine (1856) and Angeline (1861). I don't know if they ever lived in Kansas, but according to what we found out they arrived in Dakota County, Nebraska in 1868. They were also listed on several 1880 censuses and their names were spelt in a variety of ways. As I said earlier the only ancestor that we know of that lived in Cloud County, Kansas was Antoine Allen (Allain) and Pauline Provencher/Provancha. We are still trying to find Alphonse Boudreau's parents and family. We found Alphonse's brother Celestine, age 33 on the 1860 Iroquois County, Illinois census. As we found Pierre Boudreau Senior's son and daughter had married into the Allain family, we believe that Alphonse Boudreau could be connected to them. We are always interested hearing any one with a Boudreau connection, maybe, they can help us learn the Boudreau family history that has been eluding us. Mary Boudreau

In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:50:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << hat is why I feel it is important to share e-mails with THE WHOLE LIST. Vickie (Franker) Buettner >> Wow, Vickie - that's a wonderful lot of information! There are many leads to be followed. It's sad to think of the children being split up after the death(s) of those who cared for them - but they were fortunate to have extended families. They probably took on new surnames for convenience, - only information such as you provided can help us to identify them today. Tahnk you so much. Good luck, everyone! Ginny

Some of this information is old, but repeated for the sake of newcomers to the list. There was a small movement from St. Anne to Muskegon Michigan in the early 1870's, apparently involving 5 or 6 families including LeTarte (aka Tart and Tarte). They left to work in the lumber industry, supplying wood for the expanding population on the treeless prairies. Because of their prodigious birth rates, the St. Anne population soon faced the same problem that brought them from New France in the first place: not enough farmable land to go around for the young men. Since their skills centered on farming, not industry, for many of the less well-off young people this meant finding seasonal work helping with the harvest from Kansas, up through Nebraska, Iowa, the Dakota Territory and even into Saskatchewan. This exposed them to some of the locations where they later moved. The westward migration seems to have been largely related to the Homestead Act of 1865 and the railroads opening up new territories, providing cheap land and transportation. The period between 1865 and 1880 was not an easy time for moving west. Red Cloud was very powerful in the late 1860's in eastern Nebraska, and the Custer fiasco showed that the new country was not risk-free even in the 1870's. Lawlessness was a recurring theme in some areas, particularly when the cattle drives started coming up from Texas. I have an image of my ancestors as agrarian people with a uniquely French lifestyle, not as more-or-less Wild West pioneers. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between. One of the migrations that didn't happen, strangely enough, was a move to the South. Our ancestors had fought in the Civil War (Strom Thurmond chastened me once for using that term, preferring the phrase "War of the Northern Agression" instead) and were certainly familiar with the area. What kept them from moving south? Weather? Religion? Inability to grow familiar crops? Lack of railroad-promoted cheap land? A scholarly analysis of the migration patterns of the era necessarly focuses on economic forces and the sense of Manifest Destiny. But some of my people moved just because they had "itchy feet" and never stayed too long in any one place, no matter what the circumstances. I suspect that once they left the comfortable nest of New France and discovered that the world didn't come to an end, that many of them just kept on moving for the fun of it. Freedom can be intoxicating. Mike -----Original Message----- Subject: [ILSTANNE] Migrations from St. Anne What a list! ....so many of our listers respond to the inquiry about the early migrations of the St. Anne folk. Between and among all our listers we have knowledge about the migrations of our ancestors. Let's keep up this dialogue a bit, SALUT to the best list in town! Ginny Crawford Administrator, ILSTANNE *****

-----Original Message----- Subject: [ILSTANNE] Migrations from St. Anne What a list! ....so many of our listers respond to the inquiry about the early migrations of the St. Anne folk. Between and among all our listers we have knowledge about the migrations of our ancestors. Let's keep up this dialogue a bit, SALUT to the best list in town! Ginny Crawford Administrator, ILSTANNE ***** I often wondered WHY my ancestors - My Great Grandmother Millodel (Boudreau or Beaudry) Gelino Francouer (Franker) and her first husband-Hubert Gelino would have gone to Kansas - until I received an e-mail from my great grandmother's great grandson from her first marriage (I'm a great granddaughter from her second marriage) -and after which I received an e-mail from one of our listers -Ms Chase-who had questions regarding 'the first family'- and I was able to answer the question she had. I want to share the original e-mails with the list now - because it is interesting and maybe it will help someone searching for 'first family ancestors' of my great grandmother - or better yet - someone on the list who might be looking for 'the second family' of my great grandmother. When ever I see the names "BOUDREAU" "BEAUDRY" "MARION" "GELINO" "FRANCOEUR" I have to wonder - are they somehow related? Mary Boudreau who in an earlier e-mail stated her family ended up in Nebraska sparked one such question now in my mind... I wonder if maybe the Boudreau in her family was somehow related to my great grandmother - and maybe that is why she; Millodel and her first husband {HUBERT GELINO} went to Kansas in the first place - from Illinois. ...but then it could be that they followed Hubert's family to Kansas too - (from what the e-mail states- Hubert had a brother that lived there also.) Maybe these e-mails will help someone in some way - without me even knowing. That is why I feel it is important to share e-mails with THE WHOLE LIST. Vickie (Franker) Buettner Anthon, Woodbury Co. Iowa ******Sharing the Following: The Marriage Certificate of HUBERT GELINO shows his bride's last name as MARION not Bodric, not Bodreau, not Brodeau, but MARION - Milodell's mother's maiden name!!! Melodie was possibly born out of wedlock. In the Birth Certificates of Hubert and Millodel's first child born in 1879 it lists her name as: MELADIE BEAUDRY age 16 - born in IL. on the birth cert. for their second child she is listed as: (NO FIRST NAME) BOUDREAU age 14 - born in Kankakee, Illinois. *** The following is an E-mail I received from Kirby Ashburn, the grandson of Eva Gelino & Edgar Morrow. Kirby's Great Grandmother and My Great Grandmother were the same person: Millodel (Boudreau or Beaudry) Gelino Francouer (Franker). Hi Vickie: I'll do my best to fill you in on what I remember my Grandmother Eva telling me about the Gelino (Gelineau) Family and what I remember from an old French Bible that she had. First off, her mother's first name was actually Milodell (Me-low-dell) and I remember how Grandma pronounced it in French and how pretty the name sounded. I thought that her maiden name was something more like Boudry. Somehow she and Hubert (oo-bare) went from Illinois with Harvey and Eva (my uncle and grandmother as babies) to Concordia, Kansas where Arthur, Emma, Adlor and Amile were born. Hubert had serious mental problems and she divorced him and came to live with all those French Families who had come from Illinois and settled west of Royal Iowa. As a young girl my Grandma (Eva) worked for Eli Franker and eventually Milodell married his brother Remy. Milodell and Remy had the second family and she died of pneumonia when she was only 36 years old in 1900. She was buried without a marker in the cemetery across from the old Gross Homestead west of Royal Iowa. I've combed every inch of that cemetery in knee high grass looking for anything leading to her, but there is nothing today except toppled stones with all those French names from that era. I'll tell you one thing, my Grandmother Eva thought her mother Millodell was a saint and she very well may have been one. Now to the part about the second family. With the exception of Oscar,(Franker-age 5 1/2) the kids were put up for adoption and scattered to the four winds. My Grandmother Eva (who would have been their half sister) hired an agency that eventually found May (Franker-age 2 when her mother died) in Waterloo, Jennie (Gelino-age 10) in Minneapolis, Harriet (Franker-age 4) in Chicago and Raymond (Franker-age 1) in Garner, Iowa. Oscar stayed on the farm for a while with my Grandma (Eva) and Grandpa (Edgar) and he remained close to her until the day she died. I saw a lot of him when I was younger and I remember that he told some tall tales. My Dad was killed in a rollercoaster accident at Lake Okoboji Iowa in 1935 when I was 11 months old. My grandparents (Eva And Edgar Morrow) raised me so I was very fortunate in that I got to meet all those old French people that came to visit. In 1952, on a trip back from my sister's wedding in California, we stopped in Concordia, Kansas so my Grandma Eva could visit with her father; Hubert's brother George Gelineau. He was very old and delighted to see her and they spoke French all the time we were there. His mailbox said "Gelineau" on it and I have learned since that is the correct spelling and the name was probably changed phonically by the banker in Royal, Iowa. I have no idea what ever happened to Remy (Remi) Franker. I'd be interested to know if you have any information on that. All my attempts on the Internet to find anything on the name of Gelino/Gelineau in Illinois have proved fruitless. Morrow/Moreau is much easier because Great-grandpa Aleck was in the Civil War and there's quite a bit on him in the Illinois State Archives. If at all possible, I'd like to have a copy of the Gelino birth certificates you have from Illinois. If I've missed anything or if I remember any other details about the family, I'll gladly pass them on to you. Best Regards, **************NOW THE OTHER E-MAIL I received from a fellow lister: ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [ILSTANNE] Papinoville? and Gelineau family > My Great Grandmother, Melodie Marion Beaudry / Boudreau married a > Hubert Gelino - I do not know Hubert Gelino's parents names. vsfb~ ....AND AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION: ...According to the 1860 Federal Census/St. Anne, Hubert is the 8 year old son of Pierre and Adeline Gelineau who was born in Canada (see Ledoux Bk #00518). This would make him the younger brother of my great grandmother Helene Gelineau/Gelino. I think there may have been another son named George Gelino who migrated to Aurora, Kansas or did Hubert have a son by that name? Hubert's older sister Agnes went out and stayed with a George Gelino in the early 1900s before returning to Kankakee. **** FUNNY HOW I GOT MY ANSWER FROM A LISTER AND I WAS THEN ABLE TO ANSWER HER QUESTION ABOUT GEORGE GELINO BEING A BROTHER AND NOT A SON TO HUBERT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSON'S E-MAIL!!! ...and most important - Hubert Gelino turned out to be the younger brother of the lister's great grandmother Gelino! PLEASE KEEP SHARING EVERYONE! THANKS VICKIE (FRANKER) BUETTNER

What a list! First, Ardis sent us the very moving account of the biker tribute to US war dead from the St. Anne area - a meld of our interests old and new. I like to think that my St. Anne great great grandpere, Achille Chiniquy, (who fought in the Civil War but did survive it) was in some small way recognized by this event, taking place about 140 years later. Thank you, Ardis! It's also great to see so many of our listers respond to the inquiry about the early migrations of the St. Anne folk. Life in central Illinois was hard in those days and I'm sure that pitches and offers from other states had a lot of appeal. We know that some sizeable family groups went west to Nebraska, also back north to Wisconsin, also eastward to Indiana, to other states as well - they often created or settled in French enclaves which are now part of the genealogical history of the new states, so look for them there. The St. Cloud area in particular has great records, I understand. Not only was Illinois cold and the farming hard work (those swamps and tiles!) - but the polarization of the St. Anne population in the Chiniquy matter also provided reasons for people to leave and try their luck elsewhere. Seems to me, though - at least some of the travelers came back. It is an interesting time in the history of our little town - some of it referenced in the "Saga" - what time frame would we give it? 1860-1880? Or earlier? Between and among all our listers and their family interests - we have an amazing lot of knowledge about the migrations of our ancestors. We haven't talked about this in a while, so the idea may be new to some of the newer listers - as it was to me when I started (silly me - I had the impression that the group had come from Quebec and just stayed in St. Anne - totally wrong). Let's keep up this dialogue a bit, so we all get a better feel for those days when good things seemed attainable just over the horizon! Thanks to all for participating. SALUT to the best list in town! Ginny Crawford Administrator, ILSTANNE

I have Antoine Lambert, who is listed in the 1880 census of Mulberry Township, Clay County, KS. He is a brother to Peter and Gabriel, Peter is my direct ancestor. They were all in Will Co., Borbonnais in the 1850 census as shown. Also, the 1860 census of Kankakee Co., IL. I don't know where they were in 1870, but by 1880 they were in Benton Co., IN. Here is the 1850 census of Gabriel Lambert in Will Co., Borbonnais. Lomberel Gabriel 24 Illinois Lomberel Rosalie 23 Canada Gabriel 7 Canada Peter 5 Canada Marcellon 3 m Canada Antoine 1 Canada I have an obituary for Peter who died June 5, 1917 in Remington, IN. It does not mention Antoine as a survivor. Also, an obituary for Gabriel, Jr., who died Dec. 26, 1921. No mention of Antoine. Jan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Hello: I suspect that 1860 might be a little early. The first permanent settlement in Cloud County did not occur until 1865. The were some settlers before then but no permanent town because of problems with the Indians. According to the Betty Lou Madden book there were 80 French-Canadian families in Cloud County in 1868. My distant relative left Bourbonnais in the mid-1860's and went to the Rulo, Nebraska (Richardson County) first. They stayed in the area until the mid 1870's when the grasshoppers wiped most of the farmers out. From there they moved on the Cloud County. The Genweb site for Cloud County has a couple of history books online. richard graveline Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list > You wrote: > > I am wondering if anyone on the list might know if there are any > documents, > > newspaper articles or lists of the folks that joined the wagon trains to > > Kansas and other western destinations. > > The migration from Kankakee to Clyde County Kansas oocured 1860-1880. There > were Boudreau, Michel, Arseneau just to name a few.

Some of my Giroux ancestors left St. Anne (originally in Bourbonnais in 1852/3, later in St. Anne and then Aroma/St. Marys/Beaverville)in the mid 1870's for Dakota County, Nebraska, as well. They appeared with mangled name in the 1880 census for St. Johns, Summit Precinct in Dakota County, but always referred to living in Jackson NE, a small town near Hubbard and on the rail line to Sioux City IA, in later years, rather than Dakota County. They bounced back and forth between Dakota County NE and Story County IA until the 1890's when they moved to South Dakota. There was a decent-size French settlement not far away in western Clay County IA (nearest town to the north and east was Royal)where some of the Demers (aka Demarse) ended up with other St. Anne families, and this seems to have been tied into the migration into Dakota County (my gggrandmother was a Demarse). I believe that Vicki Buettner has more information on the Clay County IA group. Jody Boyd has a book on the Pioneers and Old Settlers of Dakota County that was somewhat interesting. I believe you can still get a copy through the Dakota County GENWEB site. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILSTANNE] pioneer list Hi My Boudreau, Giguerre and Provencher lines left St. Anne in !868 with a group of French-Canadians. They ended up in Dakota County, Nebraska and are listed on the Jackson Township Census. My Giguerre line ended living near Hubbard (a French settlement) and Emerson, Nebraska. Also, my step gr.gr.gr. grandfather Antoine Allain (aka: Allen brother of my gr.gr. grandmother Cecila (Allain) Boudreau lived in Cloud County, Kansas. Mary Boudreau ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== You can search or browse the ARCHIVES of any RootsWeb list at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings, I believe the COTE/COTY family was also one of the pioneer families. Michael COTE is listed on the 1860 census for Kankakee county but he is not listed on the 1870 census. He later shows up in the 1900 census. From the death records at St. Anne catholic church one of Michael's children is listed as born in Lincoln, Neb. Can anyone provide a source that would confirm this information? Thanks in advance, Kevin >Hi > >My Boudreau, Giguerre and Provencher lines left St. Anne in !868 with a group >of French-Canadians. They ended up in Dakota County, Nebraska and are listed >on the Jackson Township Census. My Giguerre line ended living near Hubbard (a >French settlement) and Emerson, Nebraska. Also, my step gr.gr.gr. grandfather >Antoine Allain (aka: Allen brother of my gr.gr. grandmother Cecila (Allain) >Boudreau lived in Cloud County, Kansas. > >Mary Boudreau > > >==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== >You can search or browse the ARCHIVES of any RootsWeb list at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Kevin Coty Laboratory Supervisor Molecular Genetics Dept. The Ohio State University 484 W. 12th Ave. "Education is what remains Columbus,OH 43210 after one has forgotten [email protected] everything he learned (614) 688-4227 in school. " fax (614) 292-4466 --Albert Einstein

Hi My Boudreau, Giguerre and Provencher lines left St. Anne in !868 with a group of French-Canadians. They ended up in Dakota County, Nebraska and are listed on the Jackson Township Census. My Giguerre line ended living near Hubbard (a French settlement) and Emerson, Nebraska. Also, my step gr.gr.gr. grandfather Antoine Allain (aka: Allen brother of my gr.gr. grandmother Cecila (Allain) Boudreau lived in Cloud County, Kansas. Mary Boudreau

Thanks, Ardis, on the recent moving news from St. Anne.

You wrote: > I am wondering if anyone on the list might know if there are any documents, > newspaper articles or lists of the folks that joined the wagon trains to > Kansas and other western destinations. The migration from Kankakee to Clyde County Kansas oocured 1860-1880. There were Boudreau, Michel, Arseneau just to name a few. I believe there was an offer of free land. I do know that many came back to an area south and east of Kankakee . It was soon discovered that it was all but impossible to farm in a dust bowl. I even heard tell of one story that one family was so dirt poor that they sold their dog for $5.00 and bought train tickets back to Kankakee County. Train service began in the early 1850's in Kankakee. I have some (Sharkey=Chartier), Longtin, ancestors who made the trip and returned. Most of the ones who remained in Kansas are buried in the Cloud County Cem. I believe their is furthur information concerning the migration at the Bourbonnais Library. Hope this helps a Bientot Jack Langlois Post Script: Of course there were a few from Kankakee who joined in the gold rush. George Latourneau husband of ( Elodie Langlois ,daughter of Eouard) was one. He is cited as having drawn his two pistols and battled with the indians while bringing supplies to the gold mine. He later returned and bought a farm in Bourbonnais then went on to become an Illinois State Senator. George and Elodie are buried in the family plot at Maternity BVM Cem. in Bourbonnais.

I am wondering if anyone on the list might know if there are any documents, newspaper articles or lists of the folks that joined the wagon trains to Kansas and other western destinations. I've recently seen part of a news article that included a few of my ancestors, one being Peter Provost. I'm not sure when the article was written, I have a cousin in Kansas who is checking on that but it made me wonder if there might be some article or list that might be in Kankakee. I would be interested in how they heard about Kansas, what reason would make them decide to make the trek west to Kansas and basically the route they took and if there would be a list of people in the wagon train. I had read where a man had traveled the trail of his ancestors to know what it was like it intrigued me but unlike him I won't be travelling by covered wagon. I think the migtration time was 1870 through 1860. I hope that someone could possibly know where I might start my search on this subject, I would greatly appreciated. The article mentioned Irwin as being the starting place. Thanks Cindy Las Vegas,NV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl T. & Wendy L. Mayfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [ILSTANNE] Jehanne la Pucelle and the Alain's 3 possible locations of Allain Towns in France > Hello There Everyone, > > I know I haven't been an active member of the list for quite a > while, trying to narrow down first my Grandfathers Military Service for > a book about his life, and more recently readying myself for another > overseas move. However on Sunday the 15th, the family and I took a > break from scrubbing, packing and end of school year blues and went to > France. (Hey it wasn't that far away, only 4 hours drive.) We visited > Joan d'Arc's birthplace the house still stands since 1412. Next door to > that is the Church of Remy, where Joan was christened as a child. > Stained glass windows represent her life around the exterior. About a > kilometer behind the village, stands Basilica Bois-Chenu which is > dedicated to Joan. > > You ask what this all has to do with the Alain family. It wasn't > until my return home that I discovered an important bit of Alain trivia. > Apparently a Jacques ALAIN citizen of Vaucoulers, (Lorraine France) > aided Joan of Arc during her journey to the Dauphin (a Prince) to > convince him that she was sent by god to aid France. In the book "Joan > the Good Lorrainer at Domremy" by Pierre Marot (English Version) pg. 58 > & 59 Mr. Marot thus lays a scene before our genelogical eyes. > > Catherine Royer spoke for Joan during the trial of her repeal, > saying that Joan became exasperated with the delay of Robert > d'Baudricort and left with Laxart and Jacquest Alain taking the road to > France where they are said to have brought her as far as "St. Nicholas". > No one knows for sure if this Abbey really exsisted, or if Joan did > leave before Robert d'Baudricourt decided to send her to Gentile > Charles. It is known that she did return to the city of Vaucoulers and > made another departure with Robert's full knowledge. Laxart a relation > of some sort to Joan's mother who took Joan to Vaucouleurs clubbed > together male clothing, and along with Jacques Alain paid 12 Francs for > a horse from their pocket, which d'Baudricourt later reimbursed them. > > I began to wonder if the town of Allain 5-7 km away from Domremy la > Pucelle had any connection to our Jacques. It recalled a conversation I > had with one of the list members off list about a town in France called > Allainville or Allain. Further perusal of my French mapbook may provide > the answers. Whomever it was that shot that message at me, can you > please contact me again! I might be of some assistance. > > Hugs > Wendy Mayfield > > > > > ==== ILSTANNE Mailing List ==== > To scan a remarkable collection of lists and webpages related to genealogy, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/internet.html > Once there, click on "mailing lists", then select the category you want, then the location or surname. Voila! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: Ardis Boone Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Memorial Sunday We had a beautiful day here today, too--in more ways than one. Over 5000 bikers(motorcycles) rode into St. Anne about 11:30 behind a truck loaded with a $10,000.00 monument honoring all veterans of the St. Anne area,in the name of the first death of the Iraq thing, Ryan Beaupre. It was a very touching program, in more ways than one. At one point, the announcer called for all the veterans of the WW II, Korean, Viet Nam to come down in front of the monument. I did not realize so many from St. Anne had been serving. Even had one back from this Iraq thing, he spoke with a very touching unrehearsed speech. Several tears in the audience after that one. Right where we were sitting, nearly every other chair emptied out to go up front, mostly our school mates. My Bob came back with tears in his eyes. Nikki & Mark Beaupre had to be the proudest people on earth, with the greeting those bikers bestowed on them. Little ole St. Anne really put on a wonderful couple of hours. At one time they announced that the first motorcyle was at the Y--1 & 17 corner and the last group was a few miles north of Momence with no traveler, other than bikers, between. I never have seen a group of bikers that behaved in such a dignified manner. St. Anne had large tanks of ice, with water bottles, for the bikers. I wish you could have seen our Carlie ( 2 1/2 yr) reaching down in that ice and passing it too the bikers. I think the newspaper caught that one. If I sound like a bragging Grandmother, that is exactly what I was this afternoon.