Dear Elam, Thank you for the info. Ervin Self moved to Carroll County, Arkansas by 1840. Erby Self married Mary ?? and by 1840 they too are in Carroll County, Arkansas. Mary was born in Illinois and she and Erby's first child was born in Illinois. I have not been able to find Erby Self anywhere in 1860 and wonder if he may have gone back to Illinois. Mary is back in Arkansas in 1870 with her children. Can find no record of Erby being in the Civil War. Am trying to find the info on Ervin or Evin as is transcribed sometimes, to try and connect him to Erby. Thanks for all the help the list is sending. I appreciate it VERY much. Reply with original message X-Original-Sender:    [email protected] In all the 90 cemetary listings done by Ed Bodecker that I have and the Shelby Co., IL 1850 census, I find not one listing for the surname: SELF. Listed in the Jordan Cemetary are these Douthits: John Douthit--B. SC--10/25/1792-d.10/10/1868 Matilda, wife of J. Douthit- age 64 yrs.-d. 2/6/1871 William H. Douthit-- 5/9/1841-7/16/1898 Rhoda A.E. Douthit--2/28/1842-2/13/1932 William E. son of W.H. & R.A.E. Douthit-8/1/1870-4 mo. Francis M. dau of W.H. & R.A. E. Douthit-12 yrs.-d.2/9/1877 Evan A. Douthit- 1866 - 1949 Andrew E. Douthit- age 74 yrs- d. 3/17/1889 Mary Ann wife of A.E. Douthit-b.Franklin Co. IL, 5/28/1814- d. 8/23/1871 Eliza B. wife of A.E. Douthit- b. Sharpsburg, Washington Co, MD, 11/16/1841- d. 3/8/1879 Levi N. Douthit - 2/4/1841 - 2/1/1918 Mary J. his wife- 2/28/1843 - 4/7/1896 Hardin H. Douthit- 1880 - 1950 Eva L. Douthit - 1884- 1963 Francis M. Douthit - 1/29/1845 - 11/9/1915 Lydia M. Douthit - 1/12/1845 - 11/6/1931 Andrew E. Douthit - 1873 - 1945 Elfa Douthit - 1873 - 1961 John J. Douthit - 1875 - 1952 Nellie Douthit - 1879 - 1959 Wm. F. Douthit - 9/24/1849 - 6/25/1919 Mary E. his wife - 8/18/1859 - 6/22/1945 May Douthit - 1877 - 1961 George W. Douthit - age 2 yrs - d. 187- There are many unmarked graves in this cemetary. There are 2 Douthit families listed in the 1850 Shelby Co Census : DOUTHIT A. E.---36.......farming-----1,600-----b. TN ANN---36----------------------------b. IL JOHN T.-15--------------------------b. IL MARGARET 12----------------------b. IL LEVI N.---10-------------------------b. IL MARION--6--------------------------b.TX? GEORGE --3--------------------------b. IL? WILLIAM - 1-------------------------b. IL? DOUTHIT JOHN ---57-----farming---------------b. SC MATILDA-45-------------------------b. KY JAMES --30---------------------------b. TN NANCY-20---------------------------b. TN W.H.-----9----------------------------b. IL This is all I could find. Nancy Elam-Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] marriage in Shelby County Illinois This is what I come up with on the Self that I am trying to find the marriage date for. Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763 - 1900             GROOM     BRIDE     CNTY     DATE   VOL/PAGE   LIC ______________________________________________ SELF, EVIN                           DOUTHIT, MALINDA (DATE IN DOUBT) SHELBY     00/00/1836   1/ 36         Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763 - 1900