Sherry, Thanks for the several clues. Unfortunately, I have more clues than time. I intended to check Mc Daniel's and King's for you, but forgot. Will send a reminder to myself (at my office - I'm at home now). Yes, I'd be interested in any other references you have to Beck's Creek, or names buried at Mount Olive. Are all these places in Shelby county, or are they all in Fayette? I take it that Cold Spring must be in Fayette, at least. I've heard of this Traveling Church, think I have some material on it. It was not the only traveling church, however. I can think of one which came from Wales to America in 1701, another which came from Kentucky to Illinois in 1804, and another which moved from Illinois to Texas in 1833, besides others of less note. However the Craig's were well known preachers in their day. You could be right that there were Separate Baptists churches by the same names as the Regular (now called Primitive) Baptists in Shelby county. I think I do have a few of their minutes but have not studied them closely. I have enough to do, just trying to digest what is in the 12,000 published minutes of our own denomination which we have in our collection. Help. Sincerely, Robert On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:41:21 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> writes: > ROBERT, > > The Cold Spring should be located in Cold Spring Twp. It's an > actual > spring. Makes the most sense to me, anyway. Wakefields, Crockers, > and > others (most my relatives) first settled there. Not sure about > their > religious affiliation. The town of Williamsburg, which has > disappeared was > an important town in the area on a hill, and Mount Olive is > literally on the > road to old Williamsburg. Mount Olive is in Dry Point Township. > Think the > Beck's Creek Church was in Bowling Green Twp., but I am not > positive. > > I have gone back to my earliest McDaniel/King records, and I do know > that > while I cannot find my ancestor's name on the "Traveling Church" > records of > 1781 or therabouts, he left Spots Co VA about 1782, owned land > jointly with > Benjamin Craig and his wife near the Forks of Elkhorn Church, etc. > Moved > to Bracken County. Everything suggests that my relatives were > Separate > Baptists. I understand that most Separate Baptists are now > considered > Regular Baptists. I am not a church historian, so this is somewhat > confusing to me. It's particularly confusing, since I also have > distant > in-law connections to the Fee family, and John Gregg Fee was a > famous KY > churchman but not a Baptist! Finally, some of my Baptist relatives > intermarried with German Brethren (aka Dunkards) who were really > Baptists. > > I do not live in Shelby County. I live just outside Chicago. I do > have > photos of the cemetery at Mt. Olive. It's also known as > Sellers/Bryant > Cemetery. I could also send you a list of those buried there--the > cemetery > has been transcribed several times, and I copied almost all for > myself one > time, because nearly half the burials are for my relatives. (Elza > King who > was clerk of Beck's Creek not buried there. I'd have to look for > him.) > Maybe you will find some names on other lists. A caveat, however. > A couple > of those in the cemetery were definitely Methodists, but they > apparently > wanted to be with kin. > > I'd be happy to look up the references to Beck's Creek Church and > copy here, > if that would be of interest to you. If yes, please be patient, but > I will > get to it ASAP. > > SHERRY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > > > > Sherry, > > There was a Primitive Baptist Church called Cold Spring which > was > > organized by 1833 or earlier, which in the latter years (1930's) > had a > > "meeting house" about 2 miles southeast of Hanson, in Fayette > County. It > > was also called Beck's Creek church in early pioneer days. Elder > Z. S. > > Price was probably the last pastor. John K. Beer, Miles H. > Abbott, James > > Beck, and others were earlier ministers there. In early years it > is > > sometimes described in the Association minutes as being located in > Shelby > > county. I have not tried to find a deed yet, but surely one could > be > > found, at least for the Hanson site. I would love to find a > picture or > > the records. I have quite a few Beck's in my database. > > There was a church called Mount Olive in the early minutes > of the > > Association (Kaskaskia) but I haven't figured out where it was > located. > > There was also another church called Clear Spring which was > mentioned as > > being in the Kaskaskia Association as early as 1836, and located > in > > Shelby county. Guy Beck was a member of Clear Spring. He may have > been a > > member of Cold Spring or some of these others, as the members > tended to > > move and organize new churches in those days, close to their > homes. > > (Putting up another log church wasn't so expensive). > > The Shelby county churches I have listed at present are: > > Okaw, near Shelbyville (4 miles northeast, in Sec. 13), > org. in > > 1827. > > Hopewell, in Shelbyville (org. in 1828/29) > > New Hope (location not determined) org. by 1830. > > Cold Spring (as above) > > Clear Spring (as above) > > Union, at Pleak's Corners, org. in 1844 in Flat Branch > township, > > first in a log building on land owned by James Tolly, and later in > a > > frame meeting house built on land donated by James R. Scribner in > 1868. > > Both were in Sec. 12. > > Center, location unknown. > > Wabash, location unknown. > > > > I really know very little about most of these compared with other > > counties. We do have part of the records of the Union church in > our > > collection. And a history of Okaw church which lists most of the > > earliest members names. > > > > Robert > > > > NAME CHURCH > > Beck, Guy Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Beck, James Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Goodwin, J. Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Massey, Burrell Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Sidwell, Elder Isaac Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Sidwell, William Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:00:42 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" > > <[email protected]> writes: > > > ROBERT, > > > > > > My greatgreatgrandparents James William and Sarah (King) > McDaniel > > > were > > > members of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, along with most of > their > > > children. Do you know if this church was Separate Baptist or > > > Primitive > > > Baptist? Sarah's brother Elza Otis King was clerk of Fellowship > > > Baptist > > > Church at Beck's Creek which I understand was Separate Baptist. > The > > > congregation lived along the county line between Fayette and > Shelby. > > > No > > > church building for this one that I know of. Reportedly met at > Guy > > > Beck's > > > and others' homes. > > > > > > It may be that my King/McDaniel Primitive Baptist connections > ended > > > in KY, > > > but I will have to doublecheck. Any info appreciated and thanks > for > > > the > > > offer of assistance. > > > > > > SHERRY > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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