I don't know if this will help anyone but.... There was a Ella Mae RENNER b. 10 Aug 1875 Washington Co, Maryland d. 27 Aug 1945 Washington Co, Maryland married 16 Oct 1893 Washington Co, Maryland Jerome MOSE b. 1871-1954, son of Daniel MOSE & Mary E. PENNEL. I believe some of their descendants came to Shelby Co, IL. Daniel MOSE was the son of Gabriel MOSE and Mary or Sarah BENDER. I believe Gabriel MOSE was a brother of my 3rd great-grandfather Henry MOSE who married Catherine SANDMAN. My direct line of ancestry from me Beverly Jane (HIMES) BARGER going back to earlier ancestors with names, surnames, dates & localities is in the HIMES link of our homepage. http://members.truepath.com/beverly/index.html Beverly (HIMES) BARGER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Frances Good" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:02 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] SHAY & RENNER > > Dear Carolyn, In reply to you message I don't know > > who Tobias's parents are but I am a distant something > > to him. My Grandmothers, mother's, mother. Her Father > > was Jacob Joseph Renner & his father was Tobias. Not > > counting my Grandmother thats back 4 greats in > > grandparents. I guess thus far I haven't looked at the > > Shelby Moultrie Book., not that I remember anyway. > > I have been doing a little on The above names for a > > very short time frame now maybe 3 months as I've > > been very busy on the GOOD line. All of this is on my > > Dad's mothers side. Some interesting facts is a John > > Stoner married a Elizabeth Oberholtzer Renner after > > 1818. She was born Aug. 1779 & died Nov 15, > > 1842. Elizabeth was the widow of Abraham Renner > > On March 29, 1819 The Fredick Co, MD Orphans > > Court Book HS3, appointed Elizabeth guardian of > > her eight children by her 1st husband. Her Securties > > for this appointment were Adam Renner & her Future > > husband John Stoner. The children were identified as > > William Renner born 10/15/1799. John Renner > > born 01/08/1803. Joseph Renner born 01/11/ > > 1805. Noah Renner 04/16/1807. Sophia Renner > > born 04/05/1809 Isaac Renner 03/23/1811 > > Susanna Renner 05/20/1813 and Elizabeth > > Renner 09/29/1816... It is presumed that these > > Childrem lived with John & Elizabeth after they got > > married in 1819 or 1820. My thoughts are there is > > a connection to Tobias either Adam Renner was > > Abraham's Father or Brother & I'm guessing brother > > possibly Tobias's Father??? or maybe even Abraham > > was a cousin??? But I'm 99 & 100's % sure these folks > > has something really strong to do with Tobias. Your > > better at all this stuff than me so I'll let you fill me in > > when or as you find out OK?. Nice meeting you > > through this way... Terry R. Good > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for the wonderful posting of the Shelby/Moultrie > > Book. What a wonderful labor of love. Have enjoyed > > reading it. > > > > Still searching for loose ends on my RENNER and SHAY > > lines. As stated in the book, my TOBIAS RENNER and > > his wife Cynthia Smith came to Shelby Co in 1838 > > from Ohio with the SHAYS. However, Tobias Renner > > and Synthia Smith were originally from PA. I am still > > trying to find parents for both Tobias and Synthia > > (also spelled Cynthia). Tobias died Oct 14, 1845 > > and is buried in Richland Cemetery n Richland Township. > > Cynthia died April 30, 1868. Is there any chance of > > finding any burial records or obits for this time period. > > I do have a copy of Tobias will or estate settlement. > > > > As for my SHAY line, Abram SHAY died April 1, 1842 > > in Shelby Co. He left a widow Ruth with several > > children. I am trying to find a maiden name for Ruth? > > Any suggestions. Abram's son John Shay was the > > executor of his estate but I have not located a will. > > > > All leads appreciated. THANKS > > > > Carolyn in Oklahoma > > > >