I should have added that most of my family belonged to the Mount Olive Baptist Church near Cowden which reportedly burned and then was torn down. Cemetery with my relatives is still there. I can find no reference to tell me if Primitive Baptist or other. Does anyone here know? SHERRY

Tim Casey and I share a number of families in Fayette, but my King and McDaniel families are not directly related to them. I may have to revise my statement about King and McDaniel being Primitive Baptists in Shelby County. One was a Separate Baptist according to sources. Let me "study up" a bit and get back to you all. As the families went through VA to KY to IN and IL, the Baptist group may have changed a bit. As for listing the names, Robert has the right to control his info, but I hope that nothing we have said would discourage him from making that info public. SHERRY

Robert I have read with interest your letter. I have watched this list over the last couple of months and seen how you have served others with the knowledge and expertise of your church records. I know you were overwhelmed with requests which you diligently answered. What wonderful blessings you, the members of your family and church must have received from your efforts. Sharing the complete records your church has, no matter where they are placed would certainly be a service to all who are in need of them. I can't begin to imagine the Lord's generosity in doing so. Sondra

Hello, I've been noticing the conversation about Berry Tully Webb. My Webb's were in Shelby Co. at the same time but I have been unable to find a link. I was able to make a trip to Shelby Co. from Texas this last August for some research and I have some land records on Berry T. Webb (presume it is Berry Tully) that I thought some on the list might find useful. I don't have copies of the deeds -- just the record. I'm sure copies can be obtained from the Shelby Co. Courthouse for a small fee. I hope to come back to Shelby Co. later this summer. General Index Grantee 2 1859-1868 Date of Deed Oct 5, 1860 Grantee Webb, Berry T Grantor Lawrence, John Bk pg 26, 282 Date of Filing Sept 16, 1862 Date of Deed Mar 17, 1861 Grantee Webb, Berry T Grantor Gove, GD (?) bad handwriting Bk pg 24, 161 Date of Filing May 16, 1861 Date of Deed Oct 22, 1864 Grantee Webb, Berry T Grantor JC RR Co Bk pg 31, 121 Date of Filing Feb 7, 1865 General Index Grantee 4 1874-1880 Date of Deed Sept 8, 1874 Grantee Webb, Berry T Grantor Clawson, Wm E Bk pg 55, 195 Date of Filing Dec 3, 1874 1pm Amt $1700.00 Description (See Record) Warranty Deed Date of Deed Apr 29, 1878 Grantee Webb, Berry T Grantor Webb Wm Y Bk pg 57, 453 Date of Filing June 19, 1878 10am Amt $1000.00 Description NW/4 SE/4 Warranty Deed General Index Grantee 5 1880-1884 This book had another record for Berry T. Webb but I had recorded many pages of Webb's, was getting tired and running low on time. Had to abandon the actual record. I found records for many Webb's: WW Webb, William Y. Webb, Allen D. Webb, Emily Webb, James M. Webb, Francis M. Webb, Phebe RA Webb, Willis S. Webb, JB Webb, John Webb and Cyrus Webb. Spent an entire day recording Webb's and found 1 lone record for my GG-Grandfather William Webb in 1870 (when he bought 40 acres in Pickaway Twp) and 1 lone record for his 2nd wife when she sold the 40 acres in 1880 after he died. At least I didn't leave empty handed. Hope these records are helpful to other Webb Researchers. Bill in TX

The Little Hurricane Church was it Primitive Baptist. The Wright's , Hill's, Whitten's and Casey lines were members I believe. Henry Hill was there , Abner Casey, Easton Whitten, seems memory said there was an article on the early church . Tim Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > ROBERT, > > My McDaniel/King family (and some relatives) were Primitive Baptists. I > don't know why the names cannot be publicly posted. That's why we have a > Shelby list, I think. I would love to see what you have, in any case. I > vote for public disclosure, but it's up to you. > > SHERRY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:55 AM > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Tolly, Denton, Scribner > > > > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names > > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database > > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably > > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > > Robert > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >

Robert I agree with Sherri on this put them on the list unless there is some reason you think not appropriate. Sherri is correct thats what the list is for sharing information. Is this something also you could put on the Shelby Co IL Website be glad to help make a webpage for it. Tim Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > ROBERT, > > My McDaniel/King family (and some relatives) were Primitive Baptists. I > don't know why the names cannot be publicly posted. That's why we have a > Shelby list, I think. I would love to see what you have, in any case. I > vote for public disclosure, but it's up to you. > > SHERRY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:55 AM > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Tolly, Denton, Scribner > > > > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names > > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database > > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably > > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > > Robert > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >

Sherry, I'm a Primitive Baptist minister (sixth generation of my family in a direct line to be a member of that faith) in Carthage, Illinois, and conduct a formally organized religious library for our people and their friends, publishing books, binding periodicals (which contain indexes of obituaries), collecting association minutes, locating - copying - and microfilming church records, and trying to compile a history of our churches county by county for both Illinois and Iowa, and we have a website and computer databases of the members from the records now totalling almost 30,000 names. The reason for my comment is not that I do not wish to help - I have been helping genealogists by the hundreds or thousands since 1986. Instead, it is to keep some control over the research work we have done ourselves, rather than turning it over in whole or major part to others. For example, the Mormons have offered to pay to have our whole collection filmed. But we declined their kind offer, as we are able to do this ourselves, and we have the funds to do so, and we feel we are better able to help people understand who the Primitive Baptists are, and find the information they are seeking, than others would be who know very little or nothing about us. I may be wrong, but that is my thinking. I hope you will understand. I am presently attempting to get on wireless internet and publicize our Library, and allow the various county websites to link to it, etc., so that our resources will be known far and wide, even more than they are. We welcome help from all parts of the state in this endeavor which is really almost too much for us. If you wish, I can check your McDaniel and King names and let you know. If you are seeking information on certain individuals, please let me know more in detail what you wish to find out about whom. We are trying to conduct our work in a manner to result in goodwill toward us personally and toward our church, and hopefully not cause any reflection upon what we feel is a very rich heritage as a church. Sincerely, Elder Robert Webb On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:58:07 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> writes: > ROBERT, > > My McDaniel/King family (and some relatives) were Primitive > Baptists. I > don't know why the names cannot be publicly posted. That's why we > have a > Shelby list, I think. I would love to see what you have, in any > case. I > vote for public disclosure, but it's up to you. > > SHERRY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:55 AM > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Tolly, Denton, Scribner > > > > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these > family names > > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our > database > > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, > probably > > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > > Robert > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Thanks for the wonderful posting of the Shelby/Moultrie Book. What a wonderful labor of love. Have enjoyed reading it. Still searching for loose ends on my RENNER and SHAY lines. As stated in the book, my TOBIAS RENNER and his wife Cynthia Smith came to Shelby Co in 1838 from Ohio with the SHAYS. However, Tobias Renner and Synthia Smith were originally from PA. I am still trying to find parents for both Tobias and Synthia (also spelled Cynthia). Tobias died Oct 14, 1845 and is buried in Richland Cemetery in Richland Township. Cynthia died April 30, 1868. Is there any chance of finding any burial records or obits for this time period. I do have a copy of Tobias will or estate settlement. As for my SHAY line, Abram SHAY died April 1, 1842 in Shelby Co. He left a widow Ruth with several children. I am trying to find a maiden name for Ruth? Any suggestions. Abram's son John Shay was the executor of his estate but I have not located a will. All leads appreciated. THANKS Carolyn in Oklahoma

Hi Terri, Thanks for writing. I couldn't get through to you on your e-mail address. Berry Tully Webb married Mariah Curry, she was my 3GGAunt. I really have very little information on this family. I found the Obit for Helen Irene (Webb) Emeneger, b. Dec. 17, 1914, Mattoon, IL - d. Apr 17, 2001, LaPine, OR in my local paper the other day and it got me to thinking about the Webbs again. Below is everything that I have. Can you add to it or correct it? Let me know if I can help you with anything, I have a considerable amount of info on the Curry family. Thanks, I look forward to hearing from you, Kim Descendants of John WEBB 26 Apr 2001 1. John WEBB (b.Abt 1791-Tennessee;d.1869-Richland Township,Shelby Count,Illinois) sp: Elizabeth YOUNG (b.Abt 1800) 2. Berry Tully WEBB (b.Abt 1830;d.15 Jun 1903-Ash Grove,Shelby County,Illinois) sp: Mariah CURRY (b.15 Mar 1829;m.15 Oct 1848;d.17 Dec 1904-Shelby Co,Illinois) 3. John W. WEBB (b.12 May 1857-Richland Township) sp: Nancy E. PRICE (b.02 Feb 1831-Ash Grove,SC,Illinois;m.15 Dec 1870;d.01 Jun 1905-Ash Grove,Shelby County,Illinois) 3. Louisa E. WEBB sp: Willis Andrew ELLIOTT (m.15 Oct 1895) 3. Martha E. WEBB sp: Lafayette STIRWALT (m.10 Oct 1886) 3. Nancy WEBB (b.11 Feb 1822-Tennessee) sp: Alfred BLYTHE (b.29 Mar 1822-Lincoln County,Tennessee;m.08 Sep 1839;d.20 Feb 1871-Ash Grove,SC,Illinois) 2. William Young WEBB (b.Abt 1830) sp: Pheobe BLYTHE (b.Abt 1830;m.12 Dec 1852) 2. Nancy Elizabeth WEBB

Robert, Do you have access to Rawlins/Rollins family names in Shelby or Effingham county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches in some database of members in Illinois of this faith? Jeannet

Checked the database for these spellings of this name but found none in Shelby or Effingham counties. Do you have any clues that they were members? We are lacking so many of the old records, in fact we don't have hardly any history of several of them. Need help. Robert On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:39:09 -0500 "Jeannet" <[email protected]> writes: > Robert, > Do you have access to Rawlins/Rollins family names in Shelby or > Effingham > county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches in some database of > members in > Illinois of this faith? > Jeannet > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I just joined this list and am hoping that someone out there can help me. I'm searching for information about my great grandmother, Alice (Allice) Knox. Alice was born on 3/5/1873 to William and Mary Elizabeth (nee Summers) Knox in Shelby County. Parents of Mary Elizabeth are Samuel and Hannah Summers I believe. William and Mary Elizabeth were married 10/19/1869 in Shelby County according to the Illinois web site. Alice Knox married Joseph Lofland on 12/7/1886 in Shelby County. She was only 13 or 14 according to my records. Joseph was born 9/28/1859 in Pickaway County Ohio. He died 1919 in Vandalia, Illinois. Alice died on 1/18/1959. Joseph and Alice were my father's, Albert Lofland, grandparents. In searching the 1880 Census for Shelby on rootsweb, I found my great grandfather Joseph Lofland and family in Pickway Township. I did not find any information on my Knox or Summers families. I do not know if Alice had any siblings. Thank you for your time and effort. Edna

ROBERT, My McDaniel/King family (and some relatives) were Primitive Baptists. I don't know why the names cannot be publicly posted. That's why we have a Shelby list, I think. I would love to see what you have, in any case. I vote for public disclosure, but it's up to you. SHERRY ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: [ILSHELBY] Tolly, Denton, Scribner > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > Robert > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >

I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably best to do so privately with those who are interested. Robert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

How many of the list live in Shelby Co IL are close I am thinking of coming up that way in the near future. I have been there before at night so I did not get to see much last year. Maybe we can meet in person. As Always reply to me at [email protected] for anything to do with this message. One subscriber brought up this point give your First and Last name in your message subscriber said people ask questions but forgets who was who when replying. I see the point there could be more than one Tim on this list. Also hope you all checked your email with Virus Protection. Tim Casey

Since I am a DENTON descendant and researcher I would be interested in your DENTON information. Although they were mainly in the Menard area they did "scatter". Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) [email protected] Robert L Webb wrote: > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > Robert > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

By looking at your message Diane I know the Denton name is in my Casey lines of Levi "Ole Flynn" Casey so I may have something there now that I see Jamima as a first name that would make me think that she was named after Jemima Casey dau of Levi Casey I will have to check what I have I do have Denton material somewhere also. There was a Casey / Denton marriage how early I will have to check. Also check for Schriber research I think that is where it is but I also have it somewhere sent to me by a cousin in the Scribner line. I have to find a my Family Treemaker cd to put it pack in my computer as mine crashed 3 weeks ago and I cant open any files. Try to fix that soon. Tim Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Re: Tolly > I have a Tolly that I'd love to have more information on too. Robert Tolly > married Jamima Denton. I only have a birthdate for Jamima for May 1801, and > died February 1858 in Shelby County, Illinois. > > Any info is appreciated. > Diane > > In reply to the message below. > > Hello Tim-- > > > > > Since you mentioned Tolly in your example, assume you may be related to > > them. > > Do you have any information on Sarah Tolly b. abt. 1855 in IL. She was > > first > > married to a -----Workman then in about 1884 married my husband's > > grandfather > > Thomas Porter. She died before my husband's father (Talmadge Porter) was > > grown. Talmadge and his sister Maud were living with Daniel Tolly in 1910, > > who was then 62 years old. Do you know who Daniel was? Brother to Sarah, > > Uncle or what? Also do you have any history on Sarah? Anything you may > > have, > > will certainly be appreciated. > > > > I realize, I am doing a lot of assuming here but there is not much > > information on the Internet for Illinois and I am taking a shot in the dark. > > > > Thanks, > > Ella Porter > > San Luis Obispo, CA > > >

Ella Yes I do have some Tolley information I would relate to the Tolley family only thru Levi "Ole Flynn" Casey he was the son of Gen Levi Casey and Elizabeth Duckett. Levi "Ole Flynn" Casey had a son John Casey who married into the Tolley Family are a son of his did I will have to check . Levi "Ole Flynn" Casey was 1st cousin to my ggggg grndfather Christopher Casey . Gen Levi Casey was uncle to Christopher Casey. The Workman name is in my files but it may be 1900's that I saw that name. I will check more for you on these surnames. There is a Tolley Cem I believe in Shelby Co IL . John Casey was a Representive from Shelby Co IL . Someone sent me some Tolley info I will have to find it. I dont have everything on Computer but if they sent me a printout I will have it in the Casey file and I will share it with you. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] Re: Tolly > Hello Tim-- > > Since you mentioned Tolly in your example, assume you may be related to them. > Do you have any information on Sarah Tolly b. abt. 1855 in IL. She was first > married to a -----Workman then in about 1884 married my husband's grandfather > Thomas Porter. She died before my husband's father (Talmadge Porter) was > grown. Talmadge and his sister Maud were living with Daniel Tolly in 1910, > who was then 62 years old. Do you know who Daniel was? Brother to Sarah, > Uncle or what? Also do you have any history on Sarah? Anything you may have, > will certainly be appreciated. > > I realize, I am doing a lot of assuming here but there is not much > information on the Internet for Illinois and I am taking a shot in the dark. > > Thanks, > Ella Porter > San Luis Obispo, CA > > ______________________________

I have a Tolly that I'd love to have more information on too. Robert Tolly married Jamima Denton. I only have a birthdate for Jamima for May 1801, and died February 1858 in Shelby County, Illinois. Any info is appreciated. Diane In reply to the message below. Hello Tim-- > > Since you mentioned Tolly in your example, assume you may be related to > them. > Do you have any information on Sarah Tolly b. abt. 1855 in IL. She was > first > married to a -----Workman then in about 1884 married my husband's > grandfather > Thomas Porter. She died before my husband's father (Talmadge Porter) was > grown. Talmadge and his sister Maud were living with Daniel Tolly in 1910, > who was then 62 years old. Do you know who Daniel was? Brother to Sarah, > Uncle or what? Also do you have any history on Sarah? Anything you may > have, > will certainly be appreciated. > > I realize, I am doing a lot of assuming here but there is not much > information on the Internet for Illinois and I am taking a shot in the dark. > > Thanks, > Ella Porter > San Luis Obispo, CA >

Hello Tim-- Since you mentioned Tolly in your example, assume you may be related to them. Do you have any information on Sarah Tolly b. abt. 1855 in IL. She was first married to a -----Workman then in about 1884 married my husband's grandfather Thomas Porter. She died before my husband's father (Talmadge Porter) was grown. Talmadge and his sister Maud were living with Daniel Tolly in 1910, who was then 62 years old. Do you know who Daniel was? Brother to Sarah, Uncle or what? Also do you have any history on Sarah? Anything you may have, will certainly be appreciated. I realize, I am doing a lot of assuming here but there is not much information on the Internet for Illinois and I am taking a shot in the dark. Thanks, Ella Porter San Luis Obispo, CA