For Jeannet - By homestead records, do you mean public land domain sales records? All first ownership of federal lands in Illinois are recorded at the courthouses but the following site is also the list. Only the original ownership is listed. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Eileen Bridges

How can I find homestead records for the 1860 time frame in Shelby Co.? Jeannet

Hi I found mine by going to the court house and checking the books . If you find the sec rage etc. them you can go to the capital of the state and check and see if they have a record or you can get one from the NARA in Washing DC. where all the records are kept. i go one and I have to send for the copy... Shirley good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeannet <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] homestead records > How can I find homestead records for the 1860 time frame in Shelby Co.? > Jeannet

Joanie, Thank you so much for your information. So many wonderful people have taken the time to respond and even though I thanked them personally, I wish to thank them again. Edna

Shelby County Genealogy department has an e-mail address . Go to Rootsweb- Illinois - Shelby County Genealogy page and click on Genealogy page to click on e-mail address. They have e-mail me some information . <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilshelb2/shelby.htm"> <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilshelb2/resource.htm"></a> Joanie [email protected] (Hobbies) [email protected] (genealogy)

Is there anyone who has access to the Shelby 1840 census that could do a look up for me on the name: RANKIN? Would really appreciate the help. Nancy Elam-Kelly [email protected]

Does anyone know how to find obits and cemetery information for Shelby County? My problem is that I don't have dates for the two people I'm looking for. Thanks for any inputs you can provide. Edna Pimental

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I don't know if this will help anyone but.... There was a Ella Mae RENNER b. 10 Aug 1875 Washington Co, Maryland d. 27 Aug 1945 Washington Co, Maryland married 16 Oct 1893 Washington Co, Maryland Jerome MOSE b. 1871-1954, son of Daniel MOSE & Mary E. PENNEL. I believe some of their descendants came to Shelby Co, IL. Daniel MOSE was the son of Gabriel MOSE and Mary or Sarah BENDER. I believe Gabriel MOSE was a brother of my 3rd great-grandfather Henry MOSE who married Catherine SANDMAN. My direct line of ancestry from me Beverly Jane (HIMES) BARGER going back to earlier ancestors with names, surnames, dates & localities is in the HIMES link of our homepage. http://members.truepath.com/beverly/index.html Beverly (HIMES) BARGER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry & Frances Good" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:02 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] SHAY & RENNER > > Dear Carolyn, In reply to you message I don't know > > who Tobias's parents are but I am a distant something > > to him. My Grandmothers, mother's, mother. Her Father > > was Jacob Joseph Renner & his father was Tobias. Not > > counting my Grandmother thats back 4 greats in > > grandparents. I guess thus far I haven't looked at the > > Shelby Moultrie Book., not that I remember anyway. > > I have been doing a little on The above names for a > > very short time frame now maybe 3 months as I've > > been very busy on the GOOD line. All of this is on my > > Dad's mothers side. Some interesting facts is a John > > Stoner married a Elizabeth Oberholtzer Renner after > > 1818. She was born Aug. 1779 & died Nov 15, > > 1842. Elizabeth was the widow of Abraham Renner > > On March 29, 1819 The Fredick Co, MD Orphans > > Court Book HS3, appointed Elizabeth guardian of > > her eight children by her 1st husband. Her Securties > > for this appointment were Adam Renner & her Future > > husband John Stoner. The children were identified as > > William Renner born 10/15/1799. John Renner > > born 01/08/1803. Joseph Renner born 01/11/ > > 1805. Noah Renner 04/16/1807. Sophia Renner > > born 04/05/1809 Isaac Renner 03/23/1811 > > Susanna Renner 05/20/1813 and Elizabeth > > Renner 09/29/1816... It is presumed that these > > Childrem lived with John & Elizabeth after they got > > married in 1819 or 1820. My thoughts are there is > > a connection to Tobias either Adam Renner was > > Abraham's Father or Brother & I'm guessing brother > > possibly Tobias's Father??? or maybe even Abraham > > was a cousin??? But I'm 99 & 100's % sure these folks > > has something really strong to do with Tobias. Your > > better at all this stuff than me so I'll let you fill me in > > when or as you find out OK?. Nice meeting you > > through this way... Terry R. Good > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for the wonderful posting of the Shelby/Moultrie > > Book. What a wonderful labor of love. Have enjoyed > > reading it. > > > > Still searching for loose ends on my RENNER and SHAY > > lines. As stated in the book, my TOBIAS RENNER and > > his wife Cynthia Smith came to Shelby Co in 1838 > > from Ohio with the SHAYS. However, Tobias Renner > > and Synthia Smith were originally from PA. I am still > > trying to find parents for both Tobias and Synthia > > (also spelled Cynthia). Tobias died Oct 14, 1845 > > and is buried in Richland Cemetery n Richland Township. > > Cynthia died April 30, 1868. Is there any chance of > > finding any burial records or obits for this time period. > > I do have a copy of Tobias will or estate settlement. > > > > As for my SHAY line, Abram SHAY died April 1, 1842 > > in Shelby Co. He left a widow Ruth with several > > children. I am trying to find a maiden name for Ruth? > > Any suggestions. Abram's son John Shay was the > > executor of his estate but I have not located a will. > > > > All leads appreciated. THANKS > > > > Carolyn in Oklahoma > > > >

> Dear Carolyn, In reply to you message I don't know > who Tobias's parents are but I am a distant something > to him. My Grandmothers, mother's, mother. Her Father > was Jacob Joseph Renner & his father was Tobias. Not > counting my Grandmother thats back 4 greats in > grandparents. I guess thus far I haven't looked at the > Shelby Moultrie Book., not that I remember anyway. > I have been doing a little on The above names for a > very short time frame now maybe 3 months as I've > been very busy on the GOOD line. All of this is on my > Dad's mothers side. Some interesting facts is a John > Stoner married a Elizabeth Oberholtzer Renner after > 1818. She was born Aug. 1779 & died Nov 15, > 1842. Elizabeth was the widow of Abraham Renner > On March 29, 1819 The Fredick Co, MD Orphans > Court Book HS3, appointed Elizabeth guardian of > her eight children by her 1st husband. Her Securties > for this appointment were Adam Renner & her Future > husband John Stoner. The children were identified as > William Renner born 10/15/1799. John Renner > born 01/08/1803. Joseph Renner born 01/11/ > 1805. Noah Renner 04/16/1807. Sophia Renner > born 04/05/1809 Isaac Renner 03/23/1811 > Susanna Renner 05/20/1813 and Elizabeth > Renner 09/29/1816... It is presumed that these > Childrem lived with John & Elizabeth after they got > married in 1819 or 1820. My thoughts are there is > a connection to Tobias either Adam Renner was > Abraham's Father or Brother & I'm guessing brother > possibly Tobias's Father??? or maybe even Abraham > was a cousin??? But I'm 99 & 100's % sure these folks > has something really strong to do with Tobias. Your > better at all this stuff than me so I'll let you fill me in > when or as you find out OK?. Nice meeting you > through this way... Terry R. Good -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the wonderful posting of the Shelby/Moultrie > Book. What a wonderful labor of love. Have enjoyed > reading it. > > Still searching for loose ends on my RENNER and SHAY > lines. As stated in the book, my TOBIAS RENNER and > his wife Cynthia Smith came to Shelby Co in 1838 > from Ohio with the SHAYS. However, Tobias Renner > and Synthia Smith were originally from PA. I am still > trying to find parents for both Tobias and Synthia > (also spelled Cynthia). Tobias died Oct 14, 1845 > and is buried in Richland Cemetery n Richland Township. > Cynthia died April 30, 1868. Is there any chance of > finding any burial records or obits for this time period. > I do have a copy of Tobias will or estate settlement. > > As for my SHAY line, Abram SHAY died April 1, 1842 > in Shelby Co. He left a widow Ruth with several > children. I am trying to find a maiden name for Ruth? > Any suggestions. Abram's son John Shay was the > executor of his estate but I have not located a will. > > All leads appreciated. THANKS > > Carolyn in Oklahoma >

There were Brysons , Tollys, Gordons, that were members of the Union Predestinarion Baptist Church in Flat Branch Twnsp. Shelby Co., Il.I believe there is some mention of this Church in Shelby Co. Cemetery Books by Howard Boedecker. I'll check my records to see if I have more info on this. Jerry At 08:55 AM 4/26/01 -0500, you wrote: >I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these family names >in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our database >of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, probably >best to do so privately with those who are interested. > Robert >_Robert L Webb <[email protected]> _______________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >

Sherry, Thanks for the several clues. Unfortunately, I have more clues than time. I intended to check Mc Daniel's and King's for you, but forgot. Will send a reminder to myself (at my office - I'm at home now). Yes, I'd be interested in any other references you have to Beck's Creek, or names buried at Mount Olive. Are all these places in Shelby county, or are they all in Fayette? I take it that Cold Spring must be in Fayette, at least. I've heard of this Traveling Church, think I have some material on it. It was not the only traveling church, however. I can think of one which came from Wales to America in 1701, another which came from Kentucky to Illinois in 1804, and another which moved from Illinois to Texas in 1833, besides others of less note. However the Craig's were well known preachers in their day. You could be right that there were Separate Baptists churches by the same names as the Regular (now called Primitive) Baptists in Shelby county. I think I do have a few of their minutes but have not studied them closely. I have enough to do, just trying to digest what is in the 12,000 published minutes of our own denomination which we have in our collection. Help. Sincerely, Robert On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:41:21 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> writes: > ROBERT, > > The Cold Spring should be located in Cold Spring Twp. It's an > actual > spring. Makes the most sense to me, anyway. Wakefields, Crockers, > and > others (most my relatives) first settled there. Not sure about > their > religious affiliation. The town of Williamsburg, which has > disappeared was > an important town in the area on a hill, and Mount Olive is > literally on the > road to old Williamsburg. Mount Olive is in Dry Point Township. > Think the > Beck's Creek Church was in Bowling Green Twp., but I am not > positive. > > I have gone back to my earliest McDaniel/King records, and I do know > that > while I cannot find my ancestor's name on the "Traveling Church" > records of > 1781 or therabouts, he left Spots Co VA about 1782, owned land > jointly with > Benjamin Craig and his wife near the Forks of Elkhorn Church, etc. > Moved > to Bracken County. Everything suggests that my relatives were > Separate > Baptists. I understand that most Separate Baptists are now > considered > Regular Baptists. I am not a church historian, so this is somewhat > confusing to me. It's particularly confusing, since I also have > distant > in-law connections to the Fee family, and John Gregg Fee was a > famous KY > churchman but not a Baptist! Finally, some of my Baptist relatives > intermarried with German Brethren (aka Dunkards) who were really > Baptists. > > I do not live in Shelby County. I live just outside Chicago. I do > have > photos of the cemetery at Mt. Olive. It's also known as > Sellers/Bryant > Cemetery. I could also send you a list of those buried there--the > cemetery > has been transcribed several times, and I copied almost all for > myself one > time, because nearly half the burials are for my relatives. (Elza > King who > was clerk of Beck's Creek not buried there. I'd have to look for > him.) > Maybe you will find some names on other lists. A caveat, however. > A couple > of those in the cemetery were definitely Methodists, but they > apparently > wanted to be with kin. > > I'd be happy to look up the references to Beck's Creek Church and > copy here, > if that would be of interest to you. If yes, please be patient, but > I will > get to it ASAP. > > SHERRY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > > > > Sherry, > > There was a Primitive Baptist Church called Cold Spring which > was > > organized by 1833 or earlier, which in the latter years (1930's) > had a > > "meeting house" about 2 miles southeast of Hanson, in Fayette > County. It > > was also called Beck's Creek church in early pioneer days. Elder > Z. S. > > Price was probably the last pastor. John K. Beer, Miles H. > Abbott, James > > Beck, and others were earlier ministers there. In early years it > is > > sometimes described in the Association minutes as being located in > Shelby > > county. I have not tried to find a deed yet, but surely one could > be > > found, at least for the Hanson site. I would love to find a > picture or > > the records. I have quite a few Beck's in my database. > > There was a church called Mount Olive in the early minutes > of the > > Association (Kaskaskia) but I haven't figured out where it was > located. > > There was also another church called Clear Spring which was > mentioned as > > being in the Kaskaskia Association as early as 1836, and located > in > > Shelby county. Guy Beck was a member of Clear Spring. He may have > been a > > member of Cold Spring or some of these others, as the members > tended to > > move and organize new churches in those days, close to their > homes. > > (Putting up another log church wasn't so expensive). > > The Shelby county churches I have listed at present are: > > Okaw, near Shelbyville (4 miles northeast, in Sec. 13), > org. in > > 1827. > > Hopewell, in Shelbyville (org. in 1828/29) > > New Hope (location not determined) org. by 1830. > > Cold Spring (as above) > > Clear Spring (as above) > > Union, at Pleak's Corners, org. in 1844 in Flat Branch > township, > > first in a log building on land owned by James Tolly, and later in > a > > frame meeting house built on land donated by James R. Scribner in > 1868. > > Both were in Sec. 12. > > Center, location unknown. > > Wabash, location unknown. > > > > I really know very little about most of these compared with other > > counties. We do have part of the records of the Union church in > our > > collection. And a history of Okaw church which lists most of the > > earliest members names. > > > > Robert > > > > NAME CHURCH > > Beck, Guy Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Beck, James Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Goodwin, J. Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Massey, Burrell Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Sidwell, Elder Isaac Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > Sidwell, William Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:00:42 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" > > <[email protected]> writes: > > > ROBERT, > > > > > > My greatgreatgrandparents James William and Sarah (King) > McDaniel > > > were > > > members of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, along with most of > their > > > children. Do you know if this church was Separate Baptist or > > > Primitive > > > Baptist? Sarah's brother Elza Otis King was clerk of Fellowship > > > Baptist > > > Church at Beck's Creek which I understand was Separate Baptist. > The > > > congregation lived along the county line between Fayette and > Shelby. > > > No > > > church building for this one that I know of. Reportedly met at > Guy > > > Beck's > > > and others' homes. > > > > > > It may be that my King/McDaniel Primitive Baptist connections > ended > > > in KY, > > > but I will have to doublecheck. Any info appreciated and thanks > for > > > the > > > offer of assistance. > > > > > > SHERRY > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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Sherry, There was a Primitive Baptist Church called Cold Spring which was organized by 1833 or earlier, which in the latter years (1930's) had a "meeting house" about 2 miles southeast of Hanson, in Fayette County. It was also called Beck's Creek church in early pioneer days. Elder Z. S. Price was probably the last pastor. John K. Beer, Miles H. Abbott, James Beck, and others were earlier ministers there. In early years it is sometimes described in the Association minutes as being located in Shelby county. I have not tried to find a deed yet, but surely one could be found, at least for the Hanson site. I would love to find a picture or the records. I have quite a few Beck's in my database. There was a church called Mount Olive in the early minutes of the Association (Kaskaskia) but I haven't figured out where it was located. There was also another church called Clear Spring which was mentioned as being in the Kaskaskia Association as early as 1836, and located in Shelby county. Guy Beck was a member of Clear Spring. He may have been a member of Cold Spring or some of these others, as the members tended to move and organize new churches in those days, close to their homes. (Putting up another log church wasn't so expensive). The Shelby county churches I have listed at present are: Okaw, near Shelbyville (4 miles northeast, in Sec. 13), org. in 1827. Hopewell, in Shelbyville (org. in 1828/29) New Hope (location not determined) org. by 1830. Cold Spring (as above) Clear Spring (as above) Union, at Pleak's Corners, org. in 1844 in Flat Branch township, first in a log building on land owned by James Tolly, and later in a frame meeting house built on land donated by James R. Scribner in 1868. Both were in Sec. 12. Center, location unknown. Wabash, location unknown. I really know very little about most of these compared with other counties. We do have part of the records of the Union church in our collection. And a history of Okaw church which lists most of the earliest members names. Robert NAME CHURCH Beck, Guy Clear Spring, Fayette Co. Beck, James Clear Spring, Fayette Co. Goodwin, J. Clear Spring, Fayette Co. Massey, Burrell Clear Spring, Fayette Co. Sidwell, Elder Isaac Clear Spring, Fayette Co. Sidwell, William Clear Spring, Fayette Co. On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:00:42 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" <[email protected]> writes: > ROBERT, > > My greatgreatgrandparents James William and Sarah (King) McDaniel > were > members of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, along with most of their > children. Do you know if this church was Separate Baptist or > Primitive > Baptist? Sarah's brother Elza Otis King was clerk of Fellowship > Baptist > Church at Beck's Creek which I understand was Separate Baptist. The > congregation lived along the county line between Fayette and Shelby. > No > church building for this one that I know of. Reportedly met at Guy > Beck's > and others' homes. > > It may be that my King/McDaniel Primitive Baptist connections ended > in KY, > but I will have to doublecheck. Any info appreciated and thanks for > the > offer of assistance. > > SHERRY ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

ROBERT, If you are not already confused, this should do it! I cannot vouch for the accuracy of these accounts. The following is taken from the COMBINED HISTORY OF SHELBY AND MOULTRIE COUNTIES, ILLINOIS. The original was published in 1881. I have a reprint. Following a lengthy description of the Missionary Baptist Churches in the county, under the heading Separate Baptist is written the following info-my annotations within brackets. You will notice, I think, that several that you have on your list are here. I leave it to you to decide whether they are Separate or Primitive Baptist. PAGE 135 In 1879, the Separate Baptists, at the meeting of the Association held at Bethel Church, Christian County, reported eight churches in this county, as follows: Union.-N. Corley, pastor. Fourteen members. Post office Shelbyville. Fellowship.-E. O. King, clerk, Beck's creek. Forty-five members. [This is Elza Otis King, nephew of Sarah King, my great-greatgrandmother. I first said it was her brother, but this Elza King has to be nephew. She had a brother, nephew and son all named Elza, so I sometimes get confused.] Providence.-N. Neil, clerk, Tower Hill. Sixty-two members. Rev. S.B. N. Vaughan, of Decatur, is the worthy pastor. Okaw.-J. P. Hudson, pastor. D. M. Hudson, clerk, Shelbyville. Thirty-six members. New Hope No. 1.-C. P. Roberts, pastor, Lakewood. Sixty-six members. New Hope No. 2-William Barton, clerk, Shelbyville. Little Flock.-Fifteen miles north-west of Shelbyville. Twelve members. Rev. Barnett Smock is pastor. Post-office, Assumption, Christian Co. Little Flock.-S. R. Throne, Robinson creek. UNITED BAPTISTS The churches of this order in the county are stated to have been gathered and organized in great part by the labors of Rev. Nathan Corley. I am unable to present their statistics. PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS Of this worthy people, also, I have almost no information. A church of this order exists four or five miles from Moawequa [sic]. OLD SCHOOL BAPTIST CHURCH [Mentions Union Church in Penn Twp. Have omitted the info here.] SEPARATE BAPTISTS This church was first organized near Tower Hill in 1832 by the Rev. Newton Coffey. Rev. Willis Whitfield was for many years a zealous worker for the cause in the county. PAGES 216-217 [Bits and pieces.] COLD SPRING TOWNSHIP (Shelby County) This township derived its name from the cold springs, so noted among the pioneers..It is bounded on the north by Tower Hill, east by Dry Point, west by Oconee Township, and on the south by Fayette county. Beck's creek flows through the entire township on the west side, from north to south..Section creek is a small stream in the south part of the township. [Originally settled 1818 by families from St. Clair County.] Rev. James Beck, a minister of the gospel, and a devout Christian man, came here in the year 1830, and settled on Section creek, near where J. D. Dobbs now lives. Mr. Beck was one among the pioneer preachers of the county, and was a man loved and revered by the neighbors. In tp. 9-2, James Beck entered eighty acres in Section 10 in 1830.. The following info is summarized from the HISTORY OF FAYETTE COUNTY, ILLINOIS. Book originally printed 1878. I have a reprint. >From page 25 Son of Paul Beck. First settled St. Clair County 1809. He and wife first settlers within present limits of Fayette County. Settled 1815 on creek that was given his name-section 9, township 8, range 2, east, NOW [emphasis mine] a part of Bowling Green Township. >From pages 71-72 on Bowling Green Twp. The Baptists organized shortly after the Methodists, and held their meetings principally at the house of Guy Beck, although meetings were held at other places. If you would like me to send the list from Mt. Olive and some info from the compiler. Please e-mail me directly, so I can send to you directly. [email protected] I will need to send to send as an attachment. The list does not support attachements. I could also fax the material, which might be easier. SHERRY

Robert, Elizabeth Rawlins lived in Shelby and Effingham counties. How might I find her church records? Her obituary follows: Effingham Republican Effingham, Illinois; April 16 or 17, 1913; Death of Mrs. Elizabeth Rawlins Mrs. Elizabeth Rawlins died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Jenkins in the north part of the city, Tuesday morning at seven o'clock. She was 80 years old, and was the mother of eight children, six of whom are living. Funeral services will be conducted at the residence on Merchant street. Friday at two p.m. conducted by Rev. Lee McCain of the Baptist church. Jeannet

Jeannet, In some cases, the churches themselves have their own records, in other cases they may have been filmed or copied or deposited with any of several possible institutions. There are several Baptist depositories, which accept records for their respective Baptist bodies - such as Southern Baptist, American Baptist, and others. We are only trying to collect Regular (Primitive) Baptist church records, except in cases where they are intertwined or where the history is better understood by having related records, but those are exceptions to the rule. I don't think we would have the records you are seeking for Elizabeth Rawlins, and I can't specifically tell you who would know. Sorry I can't be more help. I realize our Primitive Baptist collection won't help everyone, maybe not even very many, but hopefully will help someone out there who won't be able to find help anywhere else, since we may have the missing links. Best wishes in your search. Robert On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:33:02 -0500 "Jeannet" <[email protected]> writes: > Robert, > Elizabeth Rawlins lived in Shelby and Effingham counties. How might > I find > her church records? Her obituary follows: > Effingham Republican Effingham, Illinois; April 16 or 17, 1913; > Death of Mrs. Elizabeth Rawlins > Mrs. Elizabeth Rawlins died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. > Jenkins in the > north part of the city, Tuesday morning at seven o'clock. She was > 80 years > old, and was the mother of eight children, six of whom are living. > Funeral > services will be conducted at the residence on Merchant street. > Friday at > two p.m. conducted by Rev. Lee McCain of the Baptist church. > Jeannet > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

ROBERT-- Somewhere, in the back of my mind, I do recall reading that certain areas on the border of Fayette and Shelby actually changed counties, so maybe it was a kind of redistricting that accounts for the apparent county location change. SHERRY

ROBERT, The Cold Spring should be located in Cold Spring Twp. It's an actual spring. Makes the most sense to me, anyway. Wakefields, Crockers, and others (most my relatives) first settled there. Not sure about their religious affiliation. The town of Williamsburg, which has disappeared was an important town in the area on a hill, and Mount Olive is literally on the road to old Williamsburg. Mount Olive is in Dry Point Township. Think the Beck's Creek Church was in Bowling Green Twp., but I am not positive. I have gone back to my earliest McDaniel/King records, and I do know that while I cannot find my ancestor's name on the "Traveling Church" records of 1781 or therabouts, he left Spots Co VA about 1782, owned land jointly with Benjamin Craig and his wife near the Forks of Elkhorn Church, etc. Moved to Bracken County. Everything suggests that my relatives were Separate Baptists. I understand that most Separate Baptists are now considered Regular Baptists. I am not a church historian, so this is somewhat confusing to me. It's particularly confusing, since I also have distant in-law connections to the Fee family, and John Gregg Fee was a famous KY churchman but not a Baptist! Finally, some of my Baptist relatives intermarried with German Brethren (aka Dunkards) who were really Baptists. I do not live in Shelby County. I live just outside Chicago. I do have photos of the cemetery at Mt. Olive. It's also known as Sellers/Bryant Cemetery. I could also send you a list of those buried there--the cemetery has been transcribed several times, and I copied almost all for myself one time, because nearly half the burials are for my relatives. (Elza King who was clerk of Beck's Creek not buried there. I'd have to look for him.) Maybe you will find some names on other lists. A caveat, however. A couple of those in the cemetery were definitely Methodists, but they apparently wanted to be with kin. I'd be happy to look up the references to Beck's Creek Church and copy here, if that would be of interest to you. If yes, please be patient, but I will get to it ASAP. SHERRY ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > Sherry, > There was a Primitive Baptist Church called Cold Spring which was > organized by 1833 or earlier, which in the latter years (1930's) had a > "meeting house" about 2 miles southeast of Hanson, in Fayette County. It > was also called Beck's Creek church in early pioneer days. Elder Z. S. > Price was probably the last pastor. John K. Beer, Miles H. Abbott, James > Beck, and others were earlier ministers there. In early years it is > sometimes described in the Association minutes as being located in Shelby > county. I have not tried to find a deed yet, but surely one could be > found, at least for the Hanson site. I would love to find a picture or > the records. I have quite a few Beck's in my database. > There was a church called Mount Olive in the early minutes of the > Association (Kaskaskia) but I haven't figured out where it was located. > There was also another church called Clear Spring which was mentioned as > being in the Kaskaskia Association as early as 1836, and located in > Shelby county. Guy Beck was a member of Clear Spring. He may have been a > member of Cold Spring or some of these others, as the members tended to > move and organize new churches in those days, close to their homes. > (Putting up another log church wasn't so expensive). > The Shelby county churches I have listed at present are: > Okaw, near Shelbyville (4 miles northeast, in Sec. 13), org. in > 1827. > Hopewell, in Shelbyville (org. in 1828/29) > New Hope (location not determined) org. by 1830. > Cold Spring (as above) > Clear Spring (as above) > Union, at Pleak's Corners, org. in 1844 in Flat Branch township, > first in a log building on land owned by James Tolly, and later in a > frame meeting house built on land donated by James R. Scribner in 1868. > Both were in Sec. 12. > Center, location unknown. > Wabash, location unknown. > > I really know very little about most of these compared with other > counties. We do have part of the records of the Union church in our > collection. And a history of Okaw church which lists most of the > earliest members names. > > Robert > > NAME CHURCH > Beck, Guy Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > Beck, James Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > Goodwin, J. Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > Massey, Burrell Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > Sidwell, Elder Isaac Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > Sidwell, William Clear Spring, Fayette Co. > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:00:42 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" > <[email protected]> writes: > > ROBERT, > > > > My greatgreatgrandparents James William and Sarah (King) McDaniel > > were > > members of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, along with most of their > > children. Do you know if this church was Separate Baptist or > > Primitive > > Baptist? Sarah's brother Elza Otis King was clerk of Fellowship > > Baptist > > Church at Beck's Creek which I understand was Separate Baptist. The > > congregation lived along the county line between Fayette and Shelby. > > No > > church building for this one that I know of. Reportedly met at Guy > > Beck's > > and others' homes. > > > > It may be that my King/McDaniel Primitive Baptist connections ended > > in KY, > > but I will have to doublecheck. Any info appreciated and thanks for > > the > > offer of assistance. > > > > SHERRY > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >

Tim, I have given this a lot of thought, and talked to several people who care about our church and library, about it, and we came to the conclusion recently that the best thing for us to do, is ask the coordinators of some of the county websites to consider the possibility of putting a link on their pages to our website. Our website for the Primitive Baptist Library is (so you can see it, and decide whether you wish to do this or not): http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html As time permits, I will also try to prepare a brief account, or at least a list of the names of Primitive Baptist churches with some very basic information about them, and whether the records exist or not, surnames of members, etc., which could be included on the county website also, without putting my whole county chapter (from my book in progress) on the websites for each county. You are right, Hurricane was one, in Montgomery county. Sadly, many records are lost. Anyone can see what we have by going to our website and viewing the link of our holdings and clicking on the list of church records. It may need to be slightly corrected or updated (took 10 records to be filmed to Springfield just this week). Best wishes and thanks for considering this request, for Shelby county, at least. Please let me know what you decide. Robert Webb On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:36:37 -0500 "tc1005937" <[email protected]> writes: > Robert > I agree with Sherri on this put them on the list unless there is > some reason > you think not appropriate. Sherri is correct thats what the list is > for > sharing information. Is this something also you could put on the > Shelby Co > IL Website be glad to help make a webpage for it. > Tim Casey ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

ROBERT, My greatgreatgrandparents James William and Sarah (King) McDaniel were members of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, along with most of their children. Do you know if this church was Separate Baptist or Primitive Baptist? Sarah's brother Elza Otis King was clerk of Fellowship Baptist Church at Beck's Creek which I understand was Separate Baptist. The congregation lived along the county line between Fayette and Shelby. No church building for this one that I know of. Reportedly met at Guy Beck's and others' homes. It may be that my King/McDaniel Primitive Baptist connections ended in KY, but I will have to doublecheck. Any info appreciated and thanks for the offer of assistance. SHERRY ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] PRIMITIVE BAPTISTS > Sherry, > I'm a Primitive Baptist minister (sixth generation of my family in > a direct line to be a member of that faith) in Carthage, Illinois, and > conduct a formally organized religious library for our people and their > friends, publishing books, binding periodicals (which contain indexes of > obituaries), collecting association minutes, locating - copying - and > microfilming church records, and trying to compile a history of our > churches county by county for both Illinois and Iowa, and we have a > website and computer databases of the members from the records now > totalling almost 30,000 names. > The reason for my comment is not that I do not wish to help - I > have been helping genealogists by the hundreds or thousands since 1986. > Instead, it is to keep some control over the research work we have done > ourselves, rather than turning it over in whole or major part to others. > For example, the Mormons have offered to pay to have our whole collection > filmed. But we declined their kind offer, as we are able to do this > ourselves, and we have the funds to do so, and we feel we are better able > to help people understand who the Primitive Baptists are, and find the > information they are seeking, than others would be who know very little > or nothing about us. I may be wrong, but that is my thinking. I hope > you will understand. > I am presently attempting to get on wireless internet and publicize > our Library, and allow the various county websites to link to it, etc., > so that our resources will be known far and wide, even more than they > are. We welcome help from all parts of the state in this endeavor which > is really almost too much for us. > If you wish, I can check your McDaniel and King names and let you > know. If you are seeking information on certain individuals, please let > me know more in detail what you wish to find out about whom. > We are trying to conduct our work in a manner to result in goodwill > toward us personally and toward our church, and hopefully not cause any > reflection upon what we feel is a very rich heritage as a church. > Sincerely, > Elder Robert Webb > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:58:07 -0500 "Sherry Mazzetti" > <[email protected]> writes: > > ROBERT, > > > > My McDaniel/King family (and some relatives) were Primitive > > Baptists. I > > don't know why the names cannot be publicly posted. That's why we > > have a > > Shelby list, I think. I would love to see what you have, in any > > case. I > > vote for public disclosure, but it's up to you. > > > > SHERRY > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert L Webb <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 8:55 AM > > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Tolly, Denton, Scribner > > > > > > > I'm not related to them, but have about 50 entries for these > > family names > > > in Shelby county Regular (Primitive) Baptist churches from our > > database > > > of members in Illinois of this faith. Will share information, > > probably > > > best to do so privately with those who are interested. > > > Robert > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >