My surnames are Charles, Symmonds and Higgins in Shelby county Ill. Thank you for looking. Joann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: [ILSHELBY] Re: POST SHELBY CO IL SURNAMES > Thanks so much for your continued efforts. I have been on the mailing > list for quite a while. These are my surnames in the area in the early 1800s: > SOUTH, (Henry) married to HALL, (Sarah) and daughter Elizabeth Jane. > Elizabeth Jane was married to Hardy WARREN jr., originally of Madison > Co., Illinois. > > Karen > > ______________________________

Also, maybe your Susannah and Elizabeth are the same person. Maybe she didn't understand the question about children. Cenus data is not ALWAYS correct. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > No, I don't have anything! Wow, Why was she called Elizabeth in 1870 and > Susannah in 1880 but I now see that Susannah had a middle initial of E! > So, I guess what I need now is a death record for his first wife and the > mother of his children as Susannah put down in 1900 that she had no children > dead or alive. Thanks so MUCH. Sue from Idaho > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Tolbert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > > Sue, Do you have this?? BAINS, K HENRY HUFFMAN, > > SUSANNAH E SHELBY 10/16/1860 C/ 12 > > > > Sue in Oklahoma > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:16 PM > > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think > that > > Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to > have > > gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must have > > died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and in > > 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. > > > > > > I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send me > > death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are infected > > with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want to > > have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope > that > > you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from Idaho > > > > > > > > > >

Sue from Idaho, I just looked at your Susannah on the 1900 census. Was I surprised to see her listed living right next door to my Longwell great grandparents!! I also noticed that she was born in Pennsylvania as were my Longwells.........hmmmmmmm. Do you know how to search the Illinois Regional Archives Data Bases?? Illinois has one of the best Regional Archives systems in the country. You can look at their data bases online and see what records they have available for each county. Then, you can request searches of these records from the Archives that holds them. They are very nice, very prompt and bill you for they copies that they make when they send you the copies!! Let me know if you want more info. Sue in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > No, I don't have anything! Wow, Why was she called Elizabeth in 1870 and > Susannah in 1880 but I now see that Susannah had a middle initial of E! > So, I guess what I need now is a death record for his first wife and the > mother of his children as Susannah put down in 1900 that she had no children > dead or alive. Thanks so MUCH. Sue from Idaho > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Tolbert" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > > Sue, Do you have this?? BAINS, K HENRY HUFFMAN, > > SUSANNAH E SHELBY 10/16/1860 C/ 12 > > > > Sue in Oklahoma > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:16 PM > > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think > that > > Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to > have > > gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must have > > died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and in > > 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. > > > > > > I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send me > > death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are infected > > with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want to > > have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope > that > > you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from Idaho > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks Sue, she wasn't the mother because in the 1860 census Henry K. was 38 years old and living with him were Mary A. Baines 12 years born OH; George B. Baines 10 born OH; Francis J. Baines 8 born OH; Sarah Baines 5 born OH; Charles Baines 5 born OH and Susan Baines 8/12 born Il. So I kinda think that the first wife died in child birth or fairly soon after. Since this is the 1880 census do you know if Il. had a Mortality schedule for that year? Thanks for the information. Sue from Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Tolbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > Also, maybe your Susannah and Elizabeth are the same person. Maybe she > didn't understand the question about children. Cenus data is not ALWAYS > correct. Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > No, I don't have anything! Wow, Why was she called Elizabeth in 1870 and > > Susannah in 1880 but I now see that Susannah had a middle initial of E! > > So, I guess what I need now is a death record for his first wife and the > > mother of his children as Susannah put down in 1900 that she had no > children > > dead or alive. Thanks so MUCH. Sue from Idaho > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Tolbert" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sue, Do you have this?? BAINS, K HENRY HUFFMAN, > > > SUSANNAH E SHELBY 10/16/1860 C/ 12 > > > > > > Sue in Oklahoma > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:16 PM > > > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > > > > > > > Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think > > that > > > Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to > > have > > > gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must > have > > > died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and > in > > > 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. > > > > > > > > I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send > me > > > death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are > infected > > > with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want > to > > > have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope > > that > > > you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from > Idaho > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sue, Do you have this?? BAINS, K HENRY HUFFMAN, SUSANNAH E SHELBY 10/16/1860 C/ 12 Sue in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think that Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to have gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must have died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and in 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. > > I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send me death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are infected with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want to have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope that you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from Idaho >

No, I don't have anything! Wow, Why was she called Elizabeth in 1870 and Susannah in 1880 but I now see that Susannah had a middle initial of E! So, I guess what I need now is a death record for his first wife and the mother of his children as Susannah put down in 1900 that she had no children dead or alive. Thanks so MUCH. Sue from Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Tolbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > Sue, Do you have this?? BAINS, K HENRY HUFFMAN, > SUSANNAH E SHELBY 10/16/1860 C/ 12 > > Sue in Oklahoma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Wood <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:16 PM > Subject: [ILSHELBY] Marriages > > > > Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think that > Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to have > gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must have > died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and in > 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. > > > > I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send me > death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are infected > with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want to > have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope that > you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from Idaho > > > > >

Would someone be willing to look up Baines marriages for me? I think that Henry K. or K. Henry Baines might have been married twice, he seemed to have gotten to Shelby Co., from Ohio about 1859/1860, his first wife must have died before the 1860 census. In 1870 he had a wife named Elizabeth and in 1880 he had a wife named Susannah. He died sometime in 1888. I would like to hear from [email protected] as she had tried to send me death information BUT when I get the files they are empty and are infected with a virus! So, please don't send me anything Klara as I don't want to have to reboot my computer again! I feel badly about this and do hope that you can find someone to help you clean up your computer!! Sue from Idaho

Thanks so much for your continued efforts. I have been on the mailing list for quite a while. These are my surnames in the area in the early 1800s: SOUTH, (Henry) married to HALL, (Sarah) and daughter Elizabeth Jane. Elizabeth Jane was married to Hardy WARREN jr., originally of Madison Co., Illinois. Karen

Hope someone is willing to check on a death date for a Henry K. Baines, died in 1888. Can I get this information on micro film? Thanks for any help anyone can be. Sue Wood

Hi I am looking for any information or anyone who has ties to the following families in Shelby Co., IL The years would be 1825 to 1870 and there may be descendants living in Shelby County, IL today. John Wilburn/Welborn/Welbourn and wife Mary ???? were born and married probably in NC They had seven daughters and 3 sons according to the 1820 Scott's County, IN Federal Census. They arrived in Shelby County in 1825. 1. Mary Elizabeth b. NC 1799 m. Samuel Zachariah Robertson abt 1819 probably Jennings or Scott county, IN. 2. Ann b NC m. Simeon Robertson in Scott Co., IN 1 Sept 1824 (Samuel and Simeon are brothers born to Nathan Robertson son of Robert Robertson of MD) 3. James mar Nancy Smith 27 Mar 1827 4. Lydia(Lidy) mar 1x Jerimiah Provolt 4 Oct 1827 2x ???Deeds 5. Sally mar Henry Smith 8 Nov 1827 6. John mar Ellen Webb 29 Apr 1838 7. Lavina mar Thomas Howe 10 Aug 1839 8. Isaac mar Sarah Little 4 Oct 1838 9. Elizabeth married Abraham McCune 10. Sarah Ann mar Samuel McCune She was his second wife. I can find no record of this marriage or of Elizabeth's. From the Combined history of Moultrie and Shelby counties I know that Jacob McCune arrived in the area in 1828. Samuel and Abraham are his sons. I am looking for the parents of John who may be Isaac and Martha of Rowan Wilburn/Welborn of NC. Does anyone have any information to support this? I have been told by a Wilburn/Welborn researcher that there is always an Isaac and a Lavina in this line from Isaac and Martha. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Sondra Mansfield, TX

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Hi I spent the 4th of July in that area, only working Edinburg, Effingham, Tower Hill. I did most of my work in Springfield at the Lincoln Library 3rd floor genealogy room, they have an great obit index card file and newspapers on microfilm.. They haave maps also. Worked part of the day at IL State Historical Society under the old state capital building which has several good county histories for Christian Co, newspapers on microfilm. Also the death index on microfilm at the IL state Archives in Capital Complex at Springfield. I have Taylorville with the Brownback family , but could not find much for resources for Taylorville. Be aware if you ask for death certificate copies at the county court house, you will have to sign your life away inorder (proof of who you are with your SS number address phone, and drivers license) to get them. plus $7.00. I f you get them at the IL State Archives, the cost is the copy of the paper. Hope this helps and good luck. Annette DeCourcy Towler Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD, RAMEY, MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON Home page of St. Cloud Area Genealogist's Inc. St. Cloud, MN http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/Index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Alexander" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: [ILSHELBY] Help Please traveling to Christian Co Aug 24-25 > I will be traveling in the area of Christian Co, Aug 24-25th. Is the > Taylorville Library very good? I want to review old city directories > 1850-1790's, and review old community newspapers. Can I do this at the > Taylorville Library or is there a better option? What are the Friday and > Saturday hours of the Taylorville Library? What about doing the same for > Sigel, Shelby Co, IL 1890's? Thanks for any advice. > > MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER > [email protected] > edmonds, washington, usa > >

I scann documents and black and white pictures at 150 resolution. After scanning save as a jpeg and then send it to me. I will edit the photo on my computer. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [ILSHELBY] Shelby Co IL Website > I want to send a picture of my anestors for the Shelby Co website, what > settings should I scan it at so it is usable? Previously, when sent it > fills the entire screen and is dark. Jeannet > > ______________________________

Would someone be willing to look up a death for a Henry K. or K. Henry Baines, he is suppose to have died in 1888 in the Tower Hill area. Have no firm date other than the 1888. He was the postmaster for Tower Hill. What newspapers might have carried an Obit for him? Thanks for any help anyone can be. Sue from Idaho

I want to send a picture of my anestors for the Shelby Co website, what settings should I scan it at so it is usable? Previously, when sent it fills the entire screen and is dark. Jeannet

Hi my name is Tim Casey I am the County Coordinator for Shelby Co IL I am about 2 weeks from updating Shelby Co IL webpage. I am working on the index page now this is the 1st page everyone sees. If you have something that you can contribute please do. Photos , obits, bios, deeds, wills, I can use anything that you send . if you send something please use Following format in your subject line. POST SHELBY CO IL PHOTO, POST SHELBY CO IL SURNAME etc that way I can put in correct mail box to do it. I will be redoing the whole site. So if you have complaints, contributions , its your website I do not live in Shelby Co IL so I dont have access to material. So any help will be great. Tim Casey

I will be traveling in the area of Christian Co, Aug 24-25th. Is the Taylorville Library very good? I want to review old city directories 1850-1790's, and review old community newspapers. Can I do this at the Taylorville Library or is there a better option? What are the Friday and Saturday hours of the Taylorville Library? What about doing the same for Sigel, Shelby Co, IL 1890's? Thanks for any advice. MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER [email protected] edmonds, washington, usa

Hello, I am new to this list, I am trying to find something out about my gt.grandparents. This is what my grandmother left me. My grandmother was Zura Ethel Miller. Daughter of James Madison Miller and Margaret Ellen(i think was her name). She had 2 brothers and 1 sister. Oldest child was Leslie Lloyd, then Edna Noy, Zura Ethel(my grandmother) and last LeRoy Clifford. LeRoy lost a hand in a mill accident around the age of 12. Wore a wooden hand that he would bop his nieces and nephews on the head with(or so my dad said). Zura was born 12-11-1889 in Shelby county, IL. They moved to Indian Terr. in 1906 when she was 17. She married William John Reynolds 5-28-1911. They had 3 children. William John Reynolds Jr., Blanche Virginia, and my dad Harry Rankin. I am trying to locate any Miller relatives. Also any Reynolds too. I have been told that my grandfather followed her to Indian Terr from IL. So my guess is that he might have lived in Shelby Cty. too? I look forward to hearing from anyone that might have info. Thanks, Anne Reynolds Moss

Would someone be willing to look at death record's for about the 1860's. In the 1860 census I find Henry K. Baines with children, the youngest was 8/12 ths but no wife. Would she be in the Mortality schedule? This might have been the Shelbyville area as by 1870 Henry had a new wife and was living in the Tower Hill area, by 1880, he had another new wife:} This man did not want to be lonely!! Trying to find any Baines graves. Thanks so much. Sue from Idaho

At 09:37 PM 08/05/2001 , Patricia Oates wrote: >Susan > I accept your apology & I do understand what you are talking > about. What >I meant by finding it on line is how easy it was to come by. I live in TX >& before the internet would not have been able to access the will or the >bible records that were put on-line. Thank you Pat. Yes there are many wonderful things to be found online, bible records are the most important. Wills you can write to the court house for, census records are on microfilm etc.. But most bibles are in a bookcase in someones house, my GG-Grandpa's bible is in a box in my genealogy closet (formerly a linen closet). In the old days to know what it says you would have to find me but with the internet you can read it online on Shelby County. >I do not do my research on line but do use the wonderful work that has been >done by the people who spend many hours working & putting things out there >so we can use them. I have a hard time in the area I live in finding >material on the IL. area. As long as it is data yes, unless a family site documents sources then God only knows where they copied it from and if they copied it correctly. According to one of those 'I copied it online, and I would never copy anything wrong "genealogists"' who had a website, my son has 6 kids. I could be wrong but as far I know I only had one boy baby and he only lived 24 minutes, 6 kids in 24 minutes of life... What A Stud! LOL >It does worry me that so many will look at the DAR records & just accept >them as totally correct & find later they have the wrong ancestor. I guess >when this happens to your own ancestor it does upset you. >Pat Oates in TX. The LDS IGI is worse and that is supposedly all confirmed research that everyone should take as 100% fact and never question. Thankfully it isn't online, yet! >At 05:08 PM 8/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >At 09:45 PM 08/01/2001 , Patricia Oates wrote: > >>I was going to libraries before you were hatched. > >>Pat Oates > > > >Really? And when were you hatched? LOL > > > >I have to apologize Pat, and notice that I am doing it publicly? No excuse > >but after 5 years of this online genealogy stuff for USGenWeb (Happy > >Anniversary to me) and just enough psychology to be dangerous, my way of > >coping is to get it off my chest. All but one other time I first change the > >to to myself then I scream in email, then I narrow down my screaming then > >delete that email and answer nicely. Yep, I talk to myself and hey, it > >works for me most of the time, it would have worked this time too except > >family time happened and I forgot to change the to part so now I feel worse > >then when I started. > > > >Fact is my response wasn't to you, about DAR or anything more than this... > >I can't reach out and slap these "I found it online so I am a > >"genealogist"" ummmm people. Enough said. > > > > I am sorry Pat > > > >>At 09:12 PM 8/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >> >At 05:19 PM 08/01/2001 , Patricia Oates wrote: > >> >>It is a good idea to recheck the info the DAR has if you do not want the > >> >>wrong ancestor in your line. They have my 3rd GGrandfather as the >son of > >> >>a man who is not his father. They will just take anything I guess if > >> >>someone wants in the DAR. > >> >>This was so easy to prove wrong I was able to do it from home with info > >> >>gathered from the census & bible records over the internet. > >> >>Just check their info if you do not want the wrong person as your >ancestor. > >> >>Pat Oates > >> > > >> >Ummm.. Pat, the best idea is to get off your fanny and go to the library > >> >before you mouth off. You found whatever on some web site, well guess > >> >what? I am my Grandpas Mom and my Grandma is my daughter, and my brother > >> >is my Great Aunts kid and some idiot some day is going to say, I found it > >> >in a book and someone else typed it into a web page so it is fact. > >> > > >> >Be the solution, not the problem > >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >Barry County MOGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mobarry/barry.htm > >> >Gold Family Association http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~gold/ > >> > > >> >Raising teenagers is a lot like nailing Jello to a tree > >> > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Barry County MOGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mobarry/barry.htm > >Gold Family Association http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~gold/ > > > >Cousins marrying cousins: A non-branching family tree > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry County MOGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mobarry/barry.htm Gold Family Association http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~gold/ When I erase a word with a pencil, where does it go?