To Mary Ann (who knows all of this [grin]) and others who may not. Yes, everything that you've stated has been my experience too. I too go to the courthouses. Just used to giving info out online to descendents who live too far away to go. Christian Co, has computerized their records. All the info is no longer included, unless you ask for the original. Many people do not know this. My mother, in her seventies, had never seen her BC, I found the Health Dept. in Detroit, Michigan, she sent for the cert. and called to tell me that, "Michigan records are different" She had received a "certified" computerized copy. So much was left out. I'm not sure that Michigan recognizes the "public record" idea. It's difficult for anyone to order copies of any certificates other the namee. It as much as says so on it's website. Incidentally, if you're after a B.C, you can get around the law years by producing a death Cert. All that being said, the records are still only secondary documentation. Esp. death certs. you have to reply on the informant, who may or may not have know what he/she was "taking about". ( it happens, alot) I once re'd a cert c.1920 that was typed -written. I needed to replace that years later and I re'd a cert. that was computerized. I found another researcher who had the same cert. and his was hand-written! Now, that's alot of room for human error. In my early searching years, I told the IL Health Dept. that alot of the info on a particular cert. was incorrect and that I could more than verify it. She did not want to hear about. I forget all her instructions for my having it changed, but it was time-consuming and expensive. So, I did not bother. I would hope that this policy has been changed. Just some of my experiences with certs. Sue > Early marriage records at any courthouse are not "private" and one should > be able to obtain a copy of the original papers, certified or > non-certified. Even if one must go to the courthouse and insist, which one > must do at times to obtain copies. I've been to Christian and had a > problem with getting a death record, too, but it was still in the privacy > law years, so I understood. But the gal was good enough to give me the > information on it, if I asked her certain questions (which she told me to > ask :-). Now the record is on line on the IL State Archives, figure that! > > I do know that another County in IL will only send the information and not > the copy. I obtained a person close to the courthouse and they went and got > me the actual copy. > > At 06:43 PM 6/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I tried that in Christian co. I sprang for the cert., bride was just 15, > >didn't work (grin) I still just rec'd names and dates. Speaking of Christian > >Co, they've gone to computerized records even the recent one have little > >info. However these are non-certified, so if you're looking for info, make > >sure you pay more and get a copy of the original record. > >Sue > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mary Ann Kaylor" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:59 PM > >Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM-L] Orr/Rieger > > > > > > > If they weren't of legal age, there might be a parental consent. Was on > > > one of mine in 1834 in Morgan County IL. > > > > > > At 01:25 PM 6/7/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Not much of a chance...in Christian Co, definitely but each is different. > >I > > > >wouldn't waste the $14. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dee " <[email protected]> > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:20 PM > > > >Subject: [ILSANGAM-L] Orr/Rieger > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ggg grandparents Andrew Orr and Honora Catherine Riger/Rieger were > > > > > married in 1835 in Sangamon Co. Were parents names listed on marriage > > > > > certificates at that time? > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for Honor's parents. > > > > > > > > > > Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > > > > > Search the Index to the 1904 Sangamon County History at: > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/histdex.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > > > >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > > > >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Morris Myers, > > > >list administrator, with questions concerning this list! > > > >mailto: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > > > Wonder where they settled in Sangamon? Visit the Early Arrivals location > >page! > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/arr-locate.htm > > > > > > > > >==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > >Search for a Sangamon County Marriage 1879-1881, includes age, > >residence at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/marr1879.htm > > MY FAMILY GENEALOGY > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~makaylor/index.html > > CONVERSE CONNECTIONS > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~converse/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Morris Myers, > list administrator, with questions concerning this list! > mailto: [email protected] >