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    1. Re: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN
    2. wiseowl

    3. Hi Molly I was in Springfield Ill. a couiple years ago looking for marriage and land records. The marriage record did not give the bride and grooms parents names. Is there another record that gives parents names? Paul ---- Original Message ----- From: "Molly Kennedy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: RE: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN > > Hi Marion - (and all) > > I live in Springfield, and do quite a bit of local & statewide research. > Yesterday (Mon) I needed to do some lookups at the Univ of IL > Springfield-campus IRAD (Regional Archives Depository) - - and while > awaiting their grad-student intern to finish copying an 1851 probate case > file for me, I looked through their original book of Sangamon Co Marriage > Index (Brides) - > > Your Fern E. Martin and Arthur F. Aber married in Sangamon County on July > 17, 1912 > > In this original Bride's index - this marriage item gave both the marriage > date AND that the license/record would be located in vol 9, pg 409. > > However - if one looked at the Marriage Index Books housed at the Sangamon > Co Clerk's office, the marriage date would not be listed in those books... > only a cert #; no date. They combined both their Brides and Grooms index > books many years ago (that's why the UIS IRAD was able to obtain the > original Brides book). > > Sangamon Co Clerk's office charges $12 for marriage license/return > (certified only). > > Let me know if I could be of any assistance, ok? > > molly > > Molly Kennedy > P O Box 5785 > Springfield, IL 62705 > www.mollx.com > Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. > > > > > >From: [email protected] > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN > >Date: 5 Dec 2004 19:45:59 -0700 > > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > >Surnames: ABER, MALPASS, BAGOTT, RANKIN, GREENFIELD > >Classification: Query > > > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xg.2ADI/2588 > > > >Message Board Post: > > > >Hi everyone, I am trying to locate a marriage date for Fern. E. Martin & > >Arthur Fredk. Aber. I believe from the Census information that they were > >married about 1911/12, in Springield, or Sangamon County.. Any help with > >this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Marion > > > > > >==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > >Search the Index to the 1904 Sangamon County History at: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/histdex.htm > > > > > > ==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Morris Myers, > list administrator, with questions concerning this list! > mailto: [email protected] > >

    12/07/2004 03:03:53
    1. Re: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN
    2. Molly Kennedy

    3. HI Paul - Marriage records in IL prior to 1878 do not (as a norm) have parental information (unless one of the bridal party was under-aged, and the parental/guardian permission slip survived long enough to be microfilmed). After 1878 - the bridal couple were to complete a marriage Application - and in most IL counties (except Cook... they seem to have their own rules) - this application (or its equivelant, the marriage Return) still survive. Marriage applications/returns give parental info. For marriages prior to 1878 - - - family & parental info may be gleaned from Census findings (state, Federal) - or newspaper articles/mentions of the marriage (i.e., "took place in the home of the bride's parents, Mr. and Mrs. (whoever), on (address) Street." Other parental/family info is often obtained from family members' death certificates (especially after 1916) - or obituaries (usually more "newsy" after 1870). Hope this helps? Let me know if I can be of any assistance, ok? molly Molly Kennedy P O Box 5785 Springfield, IL 62705 www.mollx.com Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. >From: "wiseowl" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:03:53 -0500 > >Hi Molly >I was in Springfield Ill. a couiple years ago looking for marriage and land >records. The marriage record did not give the bride and grooms parents >names. Is there another record that gives parents names? >Paul > > > > > >---- Original Message ----- >From: "Molly Kennedy" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:26 AM >Subject: RE: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN > > > > > > Hi Marion - (and all) > > > > I live in Springfield, and do quite a bit of local & statewide research. > > Yesterday (Mon) I needed to do some lookups at the Univ of IL > > Springfield-campus IRAD (Regional Archives Depository) - - and while > > awaiting their grad-student intern to finish copying an 1851 probate >case > > file for me, I looked through their original book of Sangamon Co >Marriage > > Index (Brides) - > > > > Your Fern E. Martin and Arthur F. Aber married in Sangamon County on >July > > 17, 1912 > > > > In this original Bride's index - this marriage item gave both the >marriage > > date AND that the license/record would be located in vol 9, pg 409. > > > > However - if one looked at the Marriage Index Books housed at the >Sangamon > > Co Clerk's office, the marriage date would not be listed in those >books... > > only a cert #; no date. They combined both their Brides and Grooms >index > > books many years ago (that's why the UIS IRAD was able to obtain the > > original Brides book). > > > > Sangamon Co Clerk's office charges $12 for marriage license/return > > (certified only). > > > > Let me know if I could be of any assistance, ok? > > > > molly > > > > Molly Kennedy > > P O Box 5785 > > Springfield, IL 62705 > > www.mollx.com > > Genealogy - Confusing the dead, and annoying the living. > > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [ILSANGAM-L] FERN E. MARTIN > > >Date: 5 Dec 2004 19:45:59 -0700 > > > > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > >Surnames: ABER, MALPASS, BAGOTT, RANKIN, GREENFIELD > > >Classification: Query > > > > > >Message Board URL: > > > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xg.2ADI/2588 > > > > > >Message Board Post: > > > > > >Hi everyone, I am trying to locate a marriage date for Fern. E. >Martin >& > > >Arthur Fredk. Aber. I believe from the Census information that they >were > > >married about 1911/12, in Springield, or Sangamon County.. Any help >with > > >this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Marion > > > > > > > > >==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > > >Search the Index to the 1904 Sangamon County History at: > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/histdex.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== > > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Morris Myers, > > list administrator, with questions concerning this list! > > mailto: [email protected] > > > > > > >==== ILSANGAM Mailing List ==== >4th Presbyterian Church INDEX, Springfield, IL >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/church.htm >

    12/07/2004 02:14:14