You might try Allen County Library in Fort Wayne, Indiana. I was told they have records east of the Mississipi. I have been there. It is a hudge library. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <carole.hammond@comcast.net> To: <ilsangam@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM] Ancestry.com >>>> A new twist, most counties I went to, all I could do was fill out a >>>> form >>>> and was told a volunteer will be in a couple of days they will look it >>>> up and mail it if found, I paid $12 per request up front >>>> non-refundable.<< > > Sounds like you are due for a trip to the big Family History Library in > Salt > Lake City! They have all of the county records on microfilm. You can > take > five rolls at a time and spend +12 hours a day cranking away. > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHL/frameset_library.asp?PAGE=library_collection.asp > Print out all of the records that you want to look at before you leave > home. > > You can always send money for a certified copy of a record if you need > it.....or be happy with a photocopy. > > Carole > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 > >

Hello all. I noticed that someone had mentioned they had been in Springfield several days this week doing research. Perhaps some of you do not know of the Sangamon County Genealogical Society which has been in existence since 1968. We have a security copy of the microfilms for birth (July 1860 to 1916) the early births up through 1916 are spotty as these records were not REQUIRED by law until 1916, marriages (1821 to 1925) and deaths (1878 to 1940) time period. Portions of these films have been indexed. Those indexes are listed on the publication page of the Sangamon County Roots web page _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/scgs-pub.htm _ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/scgs-pub.htm ) . The records we have indexed to date include: births July 1860 to 1884, marriages 1821 to 1905 and deaths 1878-1890. This is an ongoing project that we would appreciate more local volunteers to help transcribe. These films may be viewed during open house events and on Tuesday nights when we are open since we only have the one copy of each microfilm and thus need to keep them at the society office. The film machines that we have, however, do not make printed copies so transcriptions need to be made when viewing the documents. We do not charge to view the documents in house. If someone wants our genealogist to do research on a specific name during a specific time period we currently charge $8.00 per request. We will be open Saturday September 16 from 9 am to 1 pm and on Tuesday September 19 and 26. Everyone is welcome to visit the society and learn more about their Sangamon County ancestors. Please email me personally at _Dbutton2@aol.com_ (mailto:Dbutton2@aol.com) if you would like to request a search of these records. We hope to see some of you Saturday. Sincerely, Dan Dixon - President/Editor PO Box 1829 (Mailing Address) Springfield, IL 62705-1829 Email: Dbutton2@aol.com Phone: 217-529-0542 Sangamon County Genealogical Society Office Library 2856 South 11th Street (approx. 3 blocks north of Stevenson Drive and approx. 2 1/2 blocks south of Bunn Golf Course at the corner of 11th and Knox in the front building) Springfield, Illinois Phone: 217-529-0542 Email: Dbutton2@aol.com Open Tuesday Nights 5:30 to 9:00 or by appointment Web Address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/scgs/scgs.htm

>>> A new twist, most counties I went to, all I could do was fill out a form >>> and was told a volunteer will be in a couple of days they will look it >>> up and mail it if found, I paid $12 per request up front >>> non-refundable.<< Sounds like you are due for a trip to the big Family History Library in Salt Lake City! They have all of the county records on microfilm. You can take five rolls at a time and spend +12 hours a day cranking away. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHL/frameset_library.asp?PAGE=library_collection.asp Print out all of the records that you want to look at before you leave home. You can always send money for a certified copy of a record if you need it.....or be happy with a photocopy. Carole

I think that everyone should submit their research to Rootsweb if they want to help others. I did it so other researchers might find their connections to their ancestors. I have my census records right in the person's "facts." Check out Rootsweb's WorldConnect to see what I'm talking about. Go to W.C. and look up Marcena Vance, her parents and her siblings to see what I'm talking about. What I was complaining about is they gathered ~some~ of my research but not all of it....and it is from a two year old database on W.C. They didn't take it from the 1 year old one. They also used only 10 of the twelve children of James Vance and Barbara Miller even though they and their children and their grandchildren were in the database they took the material from. My cousin has the same information online, actually two do, but one is so screwed up I'm glad they didn't use his. Carole

You pretty much have to sign in to every website where you can post. That is not Ancestry. It's federal law, caused by September 11, 2001. I don't know how signing in finds terrorists but that is the law and everyone has to do it. Parts of it supposedly help find perverts who prey on children. Cheryl Rothwell

I just searched WorldConnect at Rootsweb free. It's always a possibility that the parent company will charge for Rootsweb. Nothing in the world is guaranteed except departure from it. But they have said from day one that they wouldn't and they have shown no signs of doing it. They continue to provide extensive free space to Rootsweb and genealogy. Should Ancestry be sold to another company I don't know what would happen. Bottom line is simple: if you don't wish to upload to WorldConnect don't do it. No one should be looking at the online family histories as fact anyway. Those with sources generally refer to such useless ones as WFT and the LDS contributed database which is no better than any other contributed database. Cheryl Rothwell

I am on the fence on this one. I do like free but there are cost involved maintaining that much data on an internet server. I did not post my tree directly I shared with a cousin, I found this cousin through a message board he posted my file under his name. I do look at family trees online, some do have sources but not many. I use them as a hint where to look next. I try to verify with online census, death and IRAD. I do like the WWI & WWII draft card info on Ancestry.com pages. I spent the last 3 days visiting Springfield and county clerks in 5 counties. Looking for birth, marriage and death certs, a few walks through cemeteries. A new twist, most counties I went to, all I could do was fill out a form and was told a volunteer will be in a couple of days they will look it up and mail it if found, I paid $12 per request up front non-refundable. Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> To: <ilsangam@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM] Ancestry.com Online Family Tree is not free now and never has been. The issue I have with it is it creates a family tree on its own which often has errors in it and there are no source citations. I have not uploaded to rootsweb and don't plan to. I think the best way to share information is through message boards or mailing lists. Kathleen

MY OPINION I posted messages when Ancestry was FREEE. Now when I am searching I end up at ANCESTRY. I have to go back or start my search over. The information I post is for sharing information and not to be used for profit or in books. I have messages posted on Gen Forum and since you have to register I quit them. Why isn't there a warning that the site requires a membership. Or that there is a fee. I do NOT LIKE THE CHANGES TO ROOTS WEB. My mail is coming bacck. Or there is no message. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hammond" <carole.hammond@comcast.net> To: <ilsangam@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM] Ancestry contest >>>I know some very good researchers who swear by it.<< > > I think you should ask those researchers what they think of it now. Tell > them to look up something that they themselves have put on Rootsweb's > WorldConnect. > > We do thank Ancestry for everything they have made available to us. I've > been doing research for over 40 years and when I first started there was > practically nothing available locally. The few genealogies that were > available where I lived in Eugene, OR, were written in the late 1800s and > the earlier part of the 1900s. We had to drive to the state library to > have > access to actual records for other states. Genealogists were not welcomed > in some libraries. > > We have since found some errors in some of those old genealogies. This is > simply because we now have access to so many more records that weren't > available 100 years ago. Now, thanks to Ancestry and Heritage Quest we > have > access...and indexes... of all of the census records plus many more. > > I still say that they shot themselves in the foot. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 > >

Online Family Tree is not free now and never has been. The issue I have with it is it creates a family tree on its own which often has errors in it and there are no source citations. I have not uploaded to rootsweb and don't plan to. I think the best way to share information is through message boards or mailing lists. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Hyde" <srhyde@fidmail.com> To: "ILSANGAMON" <ILSANGAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: [ILSANGAM] Ancestry.com > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/contentcenters/contentCenter.aspx?page=trees > > NOTE: Family trees submitted to RootsWeb.com (WorldConnect) and Ancestry > (Ancestry World Tree and Online Family Tree) have been merged into one > master database, which can be viewed from either site. > > Why do I find my RootsWeb WorldConnect file in the Ancestry World Tree? > The Ancestry World Tree database nearly doubled in size through the > combination with WorldConnect, a similar project hosted by RootsWeb. With > this merge there has been some duplication of files for users who had > submitted to both the Ancestry World Tree and WorldConnect. If you have > duplicate files from submitting to both databases you will simply want to > remove one of the files. > > ~~~~ > If Ancestry can *STEAL* the Family GedCom files we uploaded to Rootsweb, > (a FREE website) - how long do you think it’s going to be, before we have > to PAY to see All the information we‘ve uploaded to Rootsweb? > > Rose Hyde > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.ancestry.com/learn/contentcenters/contentCenter.aspx?page=trees NOTE: Family trees submitted to RootsWeb.com (WorldConnect) and Ancestry (Ancestry World Tree and Online Family Tree) have been merged into one master database, which can be viewed from either site. Why do I find my RootsWeb WorldConnect file in the Ancestry World Tree? The Ancestry World Tree database nearly doubled in size through the combination with WorldConnect, a similar project hosted by RootsWeb. With this merge there has been some duplication of files for users who had submitted to both the Ancestry World Tree and WorldConnect. If you have duplicate files from submitting to both databases you will simply want to remove one of the files. ~~~~ If Ancestry can *STEAL* the Family GedCom files we uploaded to Rootsweb, (a FREE website) - how long do you think it’s going to be, before we have to PAY to see All the information we‘ve uploaded to Rootsweb? Rose Hyde

>>I know some very good researchers who swear by it.<< I think you should ask those researchers what they think of it now. Tell them to look up something that they themselves have put on Rootsweb's WorldConnect. We do thank Ancestry for everything they have made available to us. I've been doing research for over 40 years and when I first started there was practically nothing available locally. The few genealogies that were available where I lived in Eugene, OR, were written in the late 1800s and the earlier part of the 1900s. We had to drive to the state library to have access to actual records for other states. Genealogists were not welcomed in some libraries. We have since found some errors in some of those old genealogies. This is simply because we now have access to so many more records that weren't available 100 years ago. Now, thanks to Ancestry and Heritage Quest we have access...and indexes... of all of the census records plus many more. I still say that they shot themselves in the foot.

That's very interesting Carole because it is pretty much the opposite of what they claimed they were doing in the new version regarding the family trees. I haven't tried it and the little playing I've done with the new version [about 15 minutes] was very frustrating. As far as I know, looking at the family trees part is still free. Personally I have never found anything useful on Ancestry. I think they make searching very difficult. Also, I much prefer to see the original, not three lines out of context from Ancestry's transcription of the original. However, I know some very good researchers who swear by it. The new version, at least is what is at my library, seems to be extremely limited, considerably less material than a couple months ago. I should point out that Ancestry does give us something for free -- this mailing list, the message board and space for the Sangamon ILGenWeb site for which we are grateful. Cheryl Rothwell

I don't believe there is any proof that Ancestry has ever sold your family tree. You are confusing them with the original Family Tree Maker. I don't know if FTM still does that or not. On 9/12/06, Lisa Groesbeck <thedustyrose1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hello All > I just found this email while I was cleaning out my mail box. > I was told that if you upload family tree's onto Ancestry.com they will > make C.D.'s with the information and sell it. > I think that genealogy should be free. >

---- Carole Hammond <carole.hammond@comcast.net> wrote: > I have a full Ancestry membership so I don't know what part is "free" any > more and what you have to pay for. I do know that I had to pay extra for > the "One Family Tree." > > Ancestry has really changed their format in the last month or so and I can't > say that I like it. They took some old information that I had on Rootsweb > World Connect and mixed it with other researchers and now you have to go > into each and every person to see the many databases that it came from. > Then you have to open up that database to see if it has the contributor's > name. They took very little information from my data base that I uploaded > last Sept. It was the one with corrections and additions. > > I think they really shot themselves in the foot with this "improvement!" I agree it is very difficult the way it is. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a full Ancestry membership so I don't know what part is "free" any more and what you have to pay for. I do know that I had to pay extra for the "One Family Tree." Ancestry has really changed their format in the last month or so and I can't say that I like it. They took some old information that I had on Rootsweb World Connect and mixed it with other researchers and now you have to go into each and every person to see the many databases that it came from. Then you have to open up that database to see if it has the contributor's name. They took very little information from my data base that I uploaded last Sept. It was the one with corrections and additions. I think they really shot themselves in the foot with this "improvement!"

---- Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't believe there is any proof that Ancestry has ever sold your family > tree. You are confusing them with the original Family Tree Maker. I don't > know if FTM still does that or no Ancestry just make you subscribe to it to look at it and other things. > > > > On 9/12/06, Lisa Groesbeck <thedustyrose1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > Hello All > > I just found this email while I was cleaning out my mail box. > > I was told that if you upload family tree's onto Ancestry.com they will > > make C.D.'s with the information and sell it. > > I think that genealogy should be free. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello All I just found this email while I was cleaning out my mail box. I was told that if you upload family tree's onto Ancestry.com they will make C.D.'s with the information and sell it. I think that genealogy should be free. Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: Ancestry.com is having a contest. They have an ulterior motive of course -- they want you to upload your family tree with pictures to their site. But it is simple enough if you are interested and the prizes are pretty good including weekly prizes and a grand prize of: GRAND PRIZE: A trip for two (2) to your ancestral homeland. Trip package includes your choice of one (1) destination pertaining to your ancestry. Trip must not exceed $15,000 USD. Upon request, Sponsor will provide free genealogical consultation to explore possible destinations. Winner must complete travel within one (1) year from winner confirmation or prize will be forfeited. If you are interested PLEASE read the rules at http://landing.ancestry.com/offers/sweeps/rules_popup.aspx Notice that upload entries do not carry over from week to week. If you don't win anything this week you need to upload next week too. Then go to http://landing.ancestry.com/offers/sweeps/default.aspx?o_iid=24018&o_lid=24018&o_it=23557 Read that and proceed. I am neither discouraging or encouraging this, just making you aware of it. Cheryl Rothwell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jennifer, You mention a book about William Jarrett. What book is that? I am interested because I am descended from his sister Mary and husband William Sexton. They moved with William and the other Jarrett family members to Sangamon County in the late 1820's. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: jenlane57@yahoo.com<mailto:jenlane57@yahoo.com> To: ILSANGAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ILSANGAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ILSANGAM] Charles Alsbury This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Alsbury Hodgerson Huggins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xg.2ADI/1583.3.1.1.2.1<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xg.2ADI/1583.3.1.1.2.1> Message Board Post: Stephanie - Jane Patton Huggins is the wife of Charles. She was first married to a Huggins; I got her maiden name of Patton from a book in WV about William Jarrett (gave names of his wife's parents). I'm sorry, but I cannot prove the relationships advanced in Renner's book. I do believe Ann (m Hodgerson) was a daughter of Charles and his second wife. The evidence is circumstantial, but good considering her name Alsbury and that Charles and Jane were living with this couple later in life. As to accepting that Charles is the son of Thomas and brother to another Thomas... I am not convinced. I think it is very possible, but Renner's evidence seems to confirm only a close connection, not parentage. As we all do, Renner drew some tentative conclusions based on what she could find. I have identified several errors in her book, but I've simply not spent enough time looking at original WV/VA records to help beyond the generation of Charles II (as she named him). I will gladly share what I have, but don't know how much I can help. Most of my recent research has been concentrated on the Tucker line (Brice Alsbury m Rachel Tucker). I need to do more on the other descendants of Charles and Jane Alsbury, just have not yet done so. I do believe there are other descendants because there are names I cannot identify in the family hairbook (it includes the 1st two generations of descendants of Brice and Rachel, also siblings of Brice and siblings of Rachel, along with some! of their children). Do you have information on the marriages of the female descendants of Ann? If those names are in the hairbook, that is pretty much conclusive evidence of familial ties. Why don't you contact me directly via e-mail at jenlane57@yahoo.com<mailto:jenlane57@yahoo.com> - Jennifer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ILSANGAM-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Alsbury Hodgerson Huggins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xg.2ADI/1583.3.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Stephanie - Jane Patton Huggins is the wife of Charles. She was first married to a Huggins; I got her maiden name of Patton from a book in WV about William Jarrett (gave names of his wife's parents). I'm sorry, but I cannot prove the relationships advanced in Renner's book. I do believe Ann (m Hodgerson) was a daughter of Charles and his second wife. The evidence is circumstantial, but good considering her name Alsbury and that Charles and Jane were living with this couple later in life. As to accepting that Charles is the son of Thomas and brother to another Thomas... I am not convinced. I think it is very possible, but Renner's evidence seems to confirm only a close connection, not parentage. As we all do, Renner drew some tentative conclusions based on what she could find. I have identified several errors in her book, but I've simply not spent enough time looking at original WV/VA records to help beyond the generation of Charles II (as she named him). I will gladly share what I have, but don't know how much I can help. Most of my recent research has been concentrated on the Tucker line (Brice Alsbury m Rachel Tucker). I need to do more on the other descendants of Charles and Jane Alsbury, just have not yet done so. I do believe there are other descendants because there are names I cannot identify in the family hairbook (it includes the 1st two generations of descendants of Brice and Rachel, also siblings of Brice and siblings of Rachel, along with some! of their children). Do you have information on the marriages of the female descendants of Ann? If those names are in the hairbook, that is pretty much conclusive evidence of familial ties. Why don't you contact me directly via e-mail at jenlane57@yahoo.com - Jennifer