Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to share these thoughts. As I track back some of the female tracks I find the names Karnes, Karns, Carns and Tate. I found some interesting information on the web about the the grandparents of Celia Atway Karnes, wife of Nathan Reeder, and family in Saline Co., Illinios, it is as follows; 2. Church Records: Bethel Creek Primitive Baptist Church, located between Raleigh and Galatia [Saline co.] was organized in 1820. The cemetery has many Karnes family members buried there. Deeds located a Karnes family farm next to the Bethel Creek church. The following minutes are courtest of Mary Anderson of Ridgeway, Ill.: 1821 - June meeting - received by letter Brother Jacob Karnes and Anna Karnes. 1821 - Aug. meeting - Jacob Karnes asked for letters of dismission for himself and wife. Granted. 1822 - Feb meeting - Brother Jacob Karnes and wife petitioned for letter of dismission which was granted. 1824 - Feb. meeting - Br. Jacob Karnes applied for letter of dismission for himself and wife, given. 1826 - Aug. meeting - Brothers Karnes applied for self and sister Ann, letters of dismission. Ordered clerk to write letter. 1827 - Aug. term - James Karnes received by experience. 1828 - May - James Karnes dismissed. 1831 - Aug. 20 - Received by letter Brother Jacob Karnes and his wife Anna by letter from Tennessee, Dickson County [This explains the absence of Jacob on 1830 census of Gallation Co.] 1847 - Oct. Term - Sister Anna Karnes requested a letter of dismission - request granted. 3. Census Records: Index [1810-1840] 1810 Gallation co. census - no Karnes/Carns noted 1820 Gallation co. census - John Karnes; Jacob Carnes 1830 Gallation co. census - John Carns 1840 Gallation co. census - Amos Carnes; George Karnes; John Karnes; Isaac Karnes; John Carnes" Can you help me understand what the "letter of dismissions" would imply? What was likely to be going on? The Karnes family came from Hawkins County, TN. and because of the Stoney Creek Primitive Baptist Church in Hawkins Co, they may have been assoicated with that church. As you can guess, I will spend my fall trip looking for more information on the parents of Nathan Reeder's wife, Celia Atway Karnes. All is well in the flat lands, maybe we're just in the palm of his hand. God Bless you and your fred j smith --- Robert L Webb <bwebb9@juno.com> wrote: > Hi, Fred, > I noticed your message this morning, and want > to send a brief reply. > We've communicated before, but if we can be of any > help just let me know. > We have about 50 entries for the Reeders, in our > database of Illinois > Primitive Baptists, and have a few entries for the > surnames of Karnes and > Tates. Not all, I'm sure, since we have not obtained > all the records of > all the churches in those counties, but at least we > have part of the > names. I see we also have obituaries of a few of > them in our obituaries > index. > Best wishes in your search. > Elder Robert Webb > Primitive Baptist Library > Carthage, IL > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html > > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:55:07 -0700 (PDT) fred smith > <fredjsmith1944@yahoo.com> writes: > > Hi, my name is Fred Smith. I just joined your > group > > as I ready myself for a genealogy visit to your > > county. I will be looking for information on my > Tate, > > Reeder and Karnes families. It is likely that > they > > were Primitive Baptist Church members. I know > that > > the Reeder family were Primitive Baptist while in > > Illinois. My main hope is to find the parents of > > Elizabeth Tate who married John Karnes (Carns, > Karns) > > abt 1827. There first know child was Mary Ann > born > > 2/19/1828 in Gallaatin Co. Illinois. I would > guess > > that Elizabeth was born sometime after 1800. > > I belive my line through Saline County > includes:Jacob > > Karnes and his wife Anna, Their son John Karnes b > abt > > 1800 married Elizabeth Tate. They had 4 children; > > > Mary Ann b 1828, Artemissa b 1832, Joseph G. b > 1835 > > and my great-great grandmother Celia Atway Karnes. > > > Celia married Nathan Reeder on August 22, 1865 in > > Saline Co. > > Nathan's father Joshua Reeder, along with many of > his > > family, including his sons Nathan and Thomas moved > to > > Kansas in the early 1870's. > > I expect to visit the Tate Chapel Cemetery, and > some > > local libraries. Any information the group has on > > these families would be helpful. > > > > fred smith > > wichita, ks > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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