I don't know if this ever got posted or not. NIENSTEDT, VERNICE; age 87; of Lapeer MI; passed away January 31, 2007. Vernice was a long-time resident of Pontiac and Lapeer, born May 22, 1919 in Harrisburg, Illinois. She was united in marriage to Gerald W. Nienstedt in 1942, who preceded her in death in 1973. The middle of three children, Vernice is survived by her younger sister; Eva Williamson of Hollywood, FL; loving mother of four children; William (Barb) Nienstedt, of Morganton, GA; Jerry (Gerri) Nienstedt, of Lake Orion, MI; Linda (Bill) Tursi, of Cape Coral, FL; and the late Thomas Nienstedt; beloved grandmother of six: Mark (LeeAnn), Beth, Andrea, and Kate Nienstedt; and Billy and Tara Tursi; proud great-grandmother of Alexa Rae Nienstedt; she is also survived by many dear friends. Funeral Service 10 a.m. Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ the Lake Orion Chapel of the Sparks-Griffin Funeral Home. Family will receive friends Friday after 3 p.m. with suggested visiting hours of 3 to 5 & 7 to 9 p.m. Reverend Todd Smith officiating. Interment White Chapel Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be directed to Beaumont Hospice. A memorial reflection can be sent to: _www.sparksgriffin.com_ (http://www.sparksgriffin.com/) I went to school with her son Tom. Maybe someone has her Maiden name, as I did not know it. THANKS !! Steve sspunk@aol.com <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Don't know if this helps but I found a Mary Braden with a Eliza Margraves in 1870 Illinois, Hamilton Co., T6 R5; next door is John Margraves and family. Mary Ann cematapey@aol.com <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I descend from the probable brothers James and John Braden from Saline and HCI areas in the 1820' /1830's. It is believed their children married making both of these my 3Ggrandfathers. Through online records at Ancestry.com and correlating facts from online relatives, it was established that after John Braden Sr. divorced his first wife Minerva Hogg (still haven't found the application that others have claimed, but hopeful) he married Mary (Polly) Dinsmore Gholson, widow of John Gholson, in HCI in 1828. They (Mary Polly and John Braden) are in HCI in the 1830 census with one female of five and under ten. Polly's dau was born abt. 1826 making her four in 1830 depending on birth and census month. In 1840 they are in McLeansboro HCI with one son 10 to 15 (John Jr. would have been 17 as he was b. 1823) and one dau. 10/15 (Polly would have been 14). In 1850 John and Mary along with their 'daughter' Polly and William Sweeten are living side by side in Bradshaw Twnshp in Green Co. (later to become Clay Co.) Arkansas. To confuse matters Polly and William have a daughter named Minerva. They are there in the same area in 1860, and in 1870 John and Mary are Not there. Haven't found Mary anywhere else yet and it is likely that John has died. In 1880 Polly is also living alone with two children so possible that William is also dead. Now comes the confusion: After connecting with a cousin online we discovered a set of coincidental records that leads one to believe that John and Mary Polly Gholson's daughter could also have been the Elizabeth Gholson who married Wm Margrave in 1843! Elizabeth as well as Mary Polly Jr. was born ca. 1826 IL. The census of 1850, 1860 find them living in different places in IL but in 1870 back in HCI, we find Elizabeth Margraves and Mary Braden are living together next door to John Margraves (Elizabeth and Wm.s son). We need help to find out which is the real daughter of John and Mary Polly Gholson. Both Polly Sweeten and Elizabeth Margrave had sons named John. They were all in the same area before 1850. Their is only one young female in the 1830 and 1840 census, so if there were two daughters, where is the other one? Family legend tells that John Sr. boarded his son John Jr. with another family when he separated and divorced from Minerva so that would explain why there are no young males in the 1830 and John Jr. shows up in the 1840. Is it possible that John and Minerva had two children? Although Mary Polly named her first born Minerva, she is listed as Mary G and Polly G on different census. Could the G be for Gholson even though she was married as Polly Braden? If Elizabeth Gholson is not John and Mary Polly's, whose daughter is she? Thanks for any help you may be able to provide, Marie > Braden-Beard-Dover-Kirk-Hogg-Warbritton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRADEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000718-0, 02/27/2007 Tested on: 2/28/2007 7:08:43 AM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

List: I have just had the greatest experience with a Library in Kenosha, WI. For the past two weeks I have been requesting and receiving Obituaries through the mail and by e-mail simply by asking and giving a name and death date. At first they did not ask to be reimbursed for the cost but after receiving several copies in the mail, I inquired about the cost. They ask me to send 39 cents for postage and 15 cents for copying.!!! I sent them a check to cover more than that because of their great service. Wish all libraries were that cooperative!! Jane

1860 Illinois Saline Co. T 7 S, R 5 W - P.O. Galatia W. P. Alexander 36 TN Charity 38 TN Lovina 17 TN William H H 9 ILL Amanda F 6 ILL Martha 1 ILL Turner W. 7/12 ILL Margaret J 7/12 ILL 1870 Illinois Saline Co. T 7 R 5 - P. O. Galatia Alexander, Wm 48 TN Caraty 48 TN Wm H 21 ILL Turner 11 ILL Hope this helps - Mary Ann

Thank you. Cematapey@aol.com wrote: 1860 Illinois Saline Co. T 7 S, R 5 W - P.O. Galatia W. P. Alexander 36 TN Charity 38 TN Lovina 17 TN William H H 9 ILL Amanda F 6 ILL Martha 1 ILL Turner W. 7/12 ILL Margaret J 7/12 ILL 1870 Illinois Saline Co. T 7 R 5 - P. O. Galatia Alexander, Wm 48 TN Caraty 48 TN Wm H 21 ILL Turner 11 ILL Hope this helps - Mary Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILSALINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

Is anyone available to do a couple census look-ups for me? I am looking for the surname Alexander in Saline Co. I believe the family lived in or near Galatia. This is what I already have. 1850 Saline Co., IL census Alexander, Barbara L. age 1 born TN Charity 28 TN Emeline 17 TN William 27 TN 1870 Saline Co., IL Alexander, Turner born abt. 1856 IL 1880 Saline Co., Galatia, IL Alexander, W.P. age 55 TN NC NC Charity A. 58 TN NC TN Turner W. 20 IL TN TN Moran, Dora 18 Kreliss, W.E. grandson 8 IL Thanks, Connie --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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There was a Parmley family located in Pope Co. near Rock. Dr. Joseph P . his father was George Washington P. ----- Original Message ----- From: <QuarterMoonRanch@aol.com> To: <ilsaline@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE] ILSALINE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > Does anyone know history of Dr. John Parmley? Any brothers? > I have a Ggrandfather Joseph Ephraim Parmley. Have been unable to find a > point of origin. Family legend said he was born in England, but his > military > records state otherwise. > Thanks, > Katie Moon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILSALINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know history of Dr. John Parmley? Any brothers? I have a Ggrandfather Joseph Ephraim Parmley. Have been unable to find a point of origin. Family legend said he was born in England, but his military records state otherwise. Thanks, Katie Moon

Pay Last Respects To Indya P. Wade Friends and fellow teachers from Harrisburg, who attended funeral services for the late Mrs. Indya P. Wade, were: R.L. Foster, J.T. Beers, Mr. and Mrs. H.B. Bauman, Mr. and Mrs. Marshall Cothran, Mrs. Lola Eddy, Miss Eleanor Etherton, Mr. and Mrs. Dewey Wasson, Robert Johnson, Miss Elizabeth Longfellow, Miss Faye Moffett, Miss Faye Nance, Mr. and Mrs., J.G. Parkhurst, Miss Bernice Patterson, Miss Kathryn Rice, Miss Louise Rice, Miss Alvina Shestak, Miss Julia Williamson, Mrs. Marie McCormick, Mr. and Mrs. W.B. Westbrook, Mr. and Mrs. Dale Wilson, Otto Barnett, Mrs. W.C. Locke (in whose home Mrs. Wade lived.) Attending from Marion, Ill., were Mr. and Mrs. Walter Pillow and Miss Mary Dowell. Students attending from Harrisburg were: Mary D. Westbrook, Barbara Erris, W.T. Westbrook, Dorothy Barnett, Phyllis Robson, Rex Moore and Lovetta Fulkerson. Members of the Harrisburg Township High School choir, under the direction of John Lyman Schork, were: Bill McNew, Richard Norris, Donald Minner, Carroll Clark, Harry Boyd, Robert Weatherly, Bert Lancaster, Charles Swansey and Jim Wallace. The choir sang, "Crossing the Bar," and Mr. Schork, "Still, With Thee." Judy Foreman Lee UdyDee43@aol.com Lee and Foss, Southeastern Illinois Genealogy Publishers Researching: Aud, Austin, Bates, Benard, Bowman, Carr, Compton, Crawford, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, Fisher, Foreman, Gibbs, Glass, Hannah/Hanna, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lauderdale, Lee, Lewis, Maddox, May, Reams/Reames, Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen/Shadoin/Chaudoin, Sipe, Slankard, Shufflebarger/SBarger/Barger, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Williams, Williamson, Wise, etc.

Obituary Mrs. Indya P. Wade Indya P. Wade, daughter of Dr. John and Mary Ellis Parmley was born at Rock, Illinois on December 8, 1882 and passed away on January 2, 1952. Her death came while teaching an English class in the Harrisburg Township High School, thus ending a career of 32 years of teaching in the public schools of Southern Illinois. She received her early education in Pope county, attending school at Creal Springs and later Southern Illinois University at Carbondale, Illinois. She entered the teaching profession at the age of 16. At an early age she was converted and became a member of the Baptist church. In 1903 she was married to Lacey L. Wade of Golconda and to this union, three children were born: Ralph, Mary and Virginia. In 1923, Mrs. Wade again entered the teaching profession and in addition, continued her own education attaining her Bachelor of Education degree at Southern Illinois University in 1928. She attended the University of Illinois during summer vacations and received her Master of Arts degree in 1938 from the institution. While attending the University of Illinois, membership in the Alpha Chapter of the honor society Kappa Delta Pi was conferred upon her for her high scholastic standing. She has had several articles published in Illinois educational publications. >From 1928 to 1948, she taught English in the Golconda Community High School and from 1948 until she passed away, she held a similar position in the Harrisburg Township High School. It was typical that the end came in the classroom where she devoted so many years of her life not only to teaching of English, but to building strong character traits in her students and inspiring them to lead useful lives. Her selfless, conscientious devotion to her duties endeared her to the hearts of all of her pupils. Former students of hers are now engaged in practically all of the known professions and other fields of endeavor, not only in Southern Illinois but in many other states, thus the extent of her influence for good is immeasurable. Many of these pupils remembered her on her birthday and at other times and often visited her when they returned to Golconda. Her sparkling sense of humor was one of the many outstanding traits of her vibrant personality. In the class room, her academic standards were high and her students were taught to strive for more than mediocrity. It has been said that her students, when later attending institutions of higher learning, have been identified by their instructors as having studied under Mrs. Wade due to their excellent foundations in English. In the words of the Apostle Paul, she truly could say, "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith….." She is survived by her children: Ralph P. Wade of Waukegan, Illinois, Mrs. Harry G. Maynor of Buffalo, New York and Mrs. Harry W. Wilson, Jr. of Richland, Washington; two sisters: Mrs. Milo Austin of Herrin, Illinois. And Mrs. John Maynor, Eddyville, Ill.; two grandchildren: Harry D. Maynor and Harry Wade Wilson; a niece, Mrs. Truman C. Baker of Chicago, Illinois, a nephew, John Parmley of Golconda, and other more distant relatives. Card of Thanks We wish to thank our friends for the kindness shown us in our recent bereavement - the minister, the organist, the choir and soloist, the flower girls, the pallbearers, all those who sent beautiful flowers and those who sent food and assisted us in so many ways. We will remember and always be grateful. - The Family of Indya P. Wade. [Note: Marriage Record Book B ~ pg 66 #3138 ~ Lacy L. Wade, son of George W. & Elizabeth Hearell Wade /born in Rosiclare, Hardin Co IL/25 yrs next birthday/residing in Golconda, IL and Indya R. Parmley, daughter of J.W. & Mary E. Ellis Parmley /born Rock, IL/22 yrs next birthday/residing in Rock, IL married 07 June 1903 by F.H. Austermann, M.G., wit: Mrs. F.H. Austermann at Waltersburg, Pope Co IL ~ JFL]

FACT: George Crisel married Harriett Trammel Woodruff 12-29-1849 Hamilton County, Illinois ( Harriett married Unknown Trotter by 1849, so George & Harriett must have divorced before 1849?) FACT: George A. Crisel b. abt 1813 KY. m. Melinda Proctor 9-25-1837 Hamilton County, Illinois; family in 1850 census. In 1860 Census, Malinda is alone with children - Did this George die? Or did they divorce? Did she remarry to a Tolbert in 1865? FACT: George N. Crisel b. abt 1813 KY m. Delilia Stobaugh 9-11-1845 HCI; family in 1850 census; so these two George Crisel's b. 1813 KY cannot be same guy!!!!! Also, 1860 Census, I find still another George Crisel, b. abt 1815 KY, married to Perlina Unknown. There is a Michael T., age 10 b. Illinois amongst the children. George & Delilia Stobaugh Crisel had a son Michael T. Crisel b. 1-29-1849. Anyone have any input on good ol' George? He's almost as popular as William Davis in HCI! George A. Jr. Crisel, s/o George & Elizabeth Word/Ward Crisel, b. 1-1-1813, KY; d 4-26-1863; buried Crisel Cemetery. Which one might he be? HELP!!!!! Gail Hutchcraft Ford County, Illinois ladybuggc@sbcglobal.net

Sometime back, I received a request for copies of a family from Edna Welling's Hutchcraft's in America. I have lost the request; please write me again? Gail Hutchcraft ladybuggc@sbcglobal.net Ford County, Il. volunteer

In 1875, There was a S A Fleming homestead in section 25 of Frankfort in Franklin County. They had connections with the Craig families of Williamson Co. --- Donna K Miller <dkmiller@carrollsweb.com> wrote: > Robyn, > > I have wondered myself if the "Bela" Flemming in the > 1860 census of Saline was not Beverly Fleming. I > think there is a good possibility that he was the > same person and the father of Eliza/Louisa. > > One of my ancestors was Mary FLEMING who married > William R. CRAIG on 11 Oct 1850 in Williamson Co. > IL. Mary lived to the ripe old age of 94 - long > enough for me to be able to get a death certificate > for her. Information supplied by her son, Sam > Craig, lists her father as Beverly "FLEMENS" of TN, > mother's maiden name ROBINSON of SC, date of Mary's > birth 15 Aug 1832 in IL. Her obituary gives > Franklin Co. IL as place of birth. > > Beverly FLEMING is found in 1830 and 1840 census of > Franklin Co. IL, but I was never able to find him in > any census records for 1850. > > Do you know when Eliza died? perhaps a death record > or obituary would help you. > > Donna > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ILSALINE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Keep America Strong! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited

I am VERY interested in this..........Do you know where in Tn.......or in Ky? I have a Newborn WILLIAMS b about 1780 or so that had a son John and a son Calvin.........I am looking at this as if your John Calvin could be a grandson maybe..........there was an older boy named......Henry also daughters named Patsy and Lydia........I am sure there were more children but this is all the names I have........ Now WHY the Saline, Il connections......... My McCLAIN family was there.........in at least the years of 1818, 1810 and 1820 by 1823 they were in Weakley Co, Tn.........prior to 1818 I don't know where they were.........the WILLIAMS and McCLAINs seemed to have a history together...........in fact John McCLAIN married Lydia WILLIAMS............John's daddy, Charles McCLAIN is the proven one in Saline Co and Gallatin Co, Il......... Like I ask.............where in Tn and in Ky?????????? We will go from there..........thanks and I look forward to hearing from you...........pj > Is there anyone out there working on the John Calvin Williams b: 1829 TN > married to Susan Sanders b: 1828 KY. I am trying to connect him to the > Clark Williams b: 1840 TN. Both of these were in Saline Co., by 1850. > Thanks, Jane Thanks pj

Robyn, Thanks for the info on Clarissa TUTTLE and Wm. ABNEY. I appreciate knowing when I've made a mistake in Genealogy so it doesn't go on forever, incorrectly. Sue

Is there anyone out there working on the John Calvin Williams b: 1829 TN married to Susan Sanders b: 1828 KY. I am trying to connect him to the Clark Williams b: 1840 TN. Both of these were in Saline Co., by 1850. Thanks, Jane

Robyn, I have wondered myself if the "Bela" Flemming in the 1860 census of Saline was not Beverly Fleming. I think there is a good possibility that he was the same person and the father of Eliza/Louisa. One of my ancestors was Mary FLEMING who married William R. CRAIG on 11 Oct 1850 in Williamson Co. IL. Mary lived to the ripe old age of 94 - long enough for me to be able to get a death certificate for her. Information supplied by her son, Sam Craig, lists her father as Beverly "FLEMENS" of TN, mother's maiden name ROBINSON of SC, date of Mary's birth 15 Aug 1832 in IL. Her obituary gives Franklin Co. IL as place of birth. Beverly FLEMING is found in 1830 and 1840 census of Franklin Co. IL, but I was never able to find him in any census records for 1850. Do you know when Eliza died? perhaps a death record or obituary would help you. Donna

List Members, Does anyone on the list know how to go about obtaining a photocopy of the bond and/or license for a marriage which took place in Saline County, IL in 1856? I am hoping to find the parents of Eliza FLEMING who married James Alfred TUTTLE. I believe Eliza was under age 21 at the time of the marriage, so am hoping her father gave consent. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Robyn Collins