In a message dated 8/30/00 2:09:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ILSALINE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << retgrandma@juno.com >> Ok Clara Ya got me. Clyde was me Great Uncle. My grandmother was Bertha Mae his sis. We the ones that got outta dodge !! Are you part of the line or a side branch ? steve

I would be interested in knowing the directions/location of the Southeastern Illinois College, and the Saline County Genealogical Society Library. Could someone tell me again which courthouses will be open on Saturday, and which ones will be open on Sunday? Thank you. Diane

Saline, Gallatin, Hardin, Pope, Hamilton and White Counties will all have representatives and tables set up at the genealogy event scheduled for Southeastern Illinois College this weekend. I hope everyone can attend. Ron Nelson's program Saturday evening promises to be excellent as well.

Steve, Belle Rive is 44 miles from Harrisburg. Take US45 from Harrisburg to Eldorado. At Eldorado turn North on State Route 142 and follow it until you reach Belle Rive. It is a little more than halfway between McLeansboro and Mt.Vernon. You will go through much of Hamilton Co and pass thru the towns of Broughton, Dale, McLeansboro, Delafield, Dahlgren, and then Belle Rive. Have a safe journey from WV. Darrell Wesley Watkinsville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSpunk@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Re: directions > Ok folks, just getting ready ta see ya all this weekend. HOPE you folk are > all ready for ME !! Coming in from West Virginia tho, taking the scenic > route. THIS way I get to MISS Gary Indiana !!! Something about mom telling > me I was "conceived" in Gary Indiana.......... > ANYWAY, How far is Bell Reve from H'brg ? Thot I'd stay with a friend up > there. > > steve > >

Since I am also trying to find out about JAMES JASPER BAKER, will the Sheriff's office be open also ? snicker. Figure I'll find a bunch o'stuff there! Can anyone tell me when that office was formed ? James was supposed to have been a Marshall. Town Marshall ?? US Marshall ?? Can't beat'm Join'm I guess ? lol His son JOHN WILLIAM BAKER was a Saline Co Supervisor also, until he died in 1934. Would REALLY like to be able to find info on this family line. If anyone knows anyone still down there from this line, PLEASE let me know !! THANKS !! Steve BAKER/RISTER/JONES/NORMAN/HORNING/ ETC ETC ETC ETC

Ok folks, just getting ready ta see ya all this weekend. HOPE you folk are all ready for ME !! Coming in from West Virginia tho, taking the scenic route. THIS way I get to MISS Gary Indiana !!! Something about mom telling me I was "conceived" in Gary Indiana.......... ANYWAY, How far is Bell Reve from H'brg ? Thot I'd stay with a friend up there. steve

Steve: Please forgive me for jumping in, but you list the name of RISTER of Saline Co., IL and I have a Clyde RISTER born 07-10-1892 and died Jul 1974 and last known residence was Bridgeport, Lawrence, IL He was married to a Maggie YATES daughter of Charles and Laura Durfee YATES. Do you have a Clyde RISTER, whose father was Job Calvin RISTER mother Sarah Samantha JONES?? Hope you have a great and safe trip, sure wish I could be there!!! Clara On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:17:06 EDT SSpunk@aol.com writes: > Since I am also trying to find out about JAMES JASPER BAKER, > will the Sheriff's office be open also ? snicker. Figure I'll find > a bunch > o'stuff there! > Can anyone tell me when that office was formed ? James was supposed > to have > been a Marshall. Town Marshall ?? US Marshall ?? Can't beat'm > Join'm I > guess ? > lol > His son JOHN WILLIAM BAKER was a Saline Co Supervisor also, until > he died in > 1934. Would REALLY like to be able to find info on this family > line. If > anyone knows anyone still down there from this line, PLEASE let me > know !! > > THANKS !! > Steve > BAKER/RISTER/JONES/NORMAN/HORNING/ ETC ETC ETC ETC > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi all, Even though I had originally planned to attend, the serious illness of a family member has changed my plans. I hope those attending finds scads of ancestors and have fun meeting fellow researchers. Keep your eyes peeled for Cowserts for me, okay? Judy Cowsert Stevens Santa Ana, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Mary - - -Had not thought of that. In fact figured that had already been done. If not, I would be glad to do it. If no one has these records, let me know and I will take my pen and paper and take a walk and record what I can get Mary Rivera ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Scott <mary849@webtv.net> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Burial Place/ Death Dates of Nolens > Mary Rivera > Have you ever thought of collecting the names of the marker in the > paupers cemetery. > What a job that would be but some one of us and maybe all of us could > benfit from it. > Thanks in advanc for considering the possiblity. > mls >

Oops, I was supposed to have given credit at the end of the item as follows: "Previously published by Julia M. Case juliecase@prodigy.net, SOMEBODY'S LINKS NEWSLETTER: Genealogical Treasures Found, Vol. 2, No. 14, 27 August 2000." -----Original Message----- From: Carmen Hall [mailto:carmen.hall@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:53 AM To: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Indenture of children Hi List, I'm sending this item along mainly because I was shocked to learn about indenture of young children - but also in case this might pertain to any RICE descendants out there. Sometimes I think we're not very civilized now, but it helps to see how far we've come. Carmen o Years ago, I found an antique parchment paper upon which was written the 1842 indenture Susan RICE, age 6, of Barkhamsted, Connecticut, by the Barkhamsted town fathers for $10 to Harvey MOORE of neighboring Hartland, Connecticut, son of Rideout MOORE, a Hartland innkeeper. Harvey MOORE was married to Maria TRUNKEY. Within a year of the indenture, which was to have lasted until Susan was 18, Maria beat Susan to death, for which she was tried and convicted of murder and sent to Wethersfield (Connecticut) State Prison. If you have knowledge of the RICE family of Barkhamsted/Hartland or the TRUNKEY and MOORE families of Hartland, please contact me. I'd be happy to photograph the indenture and transcribe information for family. Other family names also were mentioned in the town fathers' list on the sale. Linda Alexander peachy2@prodigy.net

Hi List, I'm sending this item along mainly because I was shocked to learn about indenture of young children - but also in case this might pertain to any RICE descendants out there. Sometimes I think we're not very civilized now, but it helps to see how far we've come. Carmen o Years ago, I found an antique parchment paper upon which was written the 1842 indenture Susan RICE, age 6, of Barkhamsted, Connecticut, by the Barkhamsted town fathers for $10 to Harvey MOORE of neighboring Hartland, Connecticut, son of Rideout MOORE, a Hartland innkeeper. Harvey MOORE was married to Maria TRUNKEY. Within a year of the indenture, which was to have lasted until Susan was 18, Maria beat Susan to death, for which she was tried and convicted of murder and sent to Wethersfield (Connecticut) State Prison. If you have knowledge of the RICE family of Barkhamsted/Hartland or the TRUNKEY and MOORE families of Hartland, please contact me. I'd be happy to photograph the indenture and transcribe information for family. Other family names also were mentioned in the town fathers' list on the sale. Linda Alexander peachy2@prodigy.net

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--WebTV-Mail-21675-1007 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-21675-1007 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <ILSALINE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id HAA20508; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e7REliX01858; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:47:44 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:47:44 -0700 X-Original-Sender: mary849@webtv.net Sun Aug 27 07:47:44 2000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQGbn7pjeEsC6pb421bSqIKsJOTjgIUAT+NAaQpYcn+/3sbOilR+pGDeog= From: mary849@webtv.net (Mary Scott) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Old-To: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Burial Place/ Death Dates of Nolens Message-ID: <17696-39A92A12-6110@storefull-175.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: GingerH <gingerh@shawneelink.com>'s message of Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:20:03 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <-fMvm.A.1c.QoSq5@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5356 X-Loop: ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ILSALINE-L-request@rootsweb.com Hi Her name was Mollie (Simpson) Hanselman Her husbands name was George Washington Hanselman. They married in ag 1902 and there son was born 11-1902 ?? And she is supposed to have died at that time or shortly after. Her mothers name was Anna, no father listed. His Fa Simon Hanselman Mo. name Mary Jane. Anything else just wistle. --WebTV-Mail-21675-1007--

Hi Mary From what I can glean from the conversations and any records I'vd seen no one has done it also Different ones keep saying there are no markers or records ect. If you could go there I would appriciate it a greatley. And I 'm sure there are many of the chat line that would also appriciate it a great deal. thank you thank you over and over again. Have fun with it.. mls

Bill: Saw your post. What is your Womack connection? I have Womacks. Abraham Womack>John Wesley Womack>John Wesley D. Womack>Lemuel Alexander Womack>Dorothy Beatrice Womack my mother. Bob

I live a couple of blocks from the Pauper Farm Cemetary and there are some markers there - - -unfortunatly not as many as there were 20 years ago. Some where in the county there must be a record of those buried there Mary Rivera ----- Original Message ----- From: GingerH <gingerh@shawneelink.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Burial Place/ Death Dates of Nolens > The Pauper Farm had a pauper cemetery. There are no > marked graves there as far as I know. > Many folks were buried without headstones. Especially > in the country cemeteries. You still see those with rows > and rows of sand rocks marking graves, with no inscriptions. > There are propably as many folks in unmarked graves as there > are in marked one's. > > Ginger > gingerh@shawneelink.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy S <kifu42@yahoo.com> > To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Burial Place/ Death Dates of Nolens > > > > --- Donna Barnes <donnab@prodigy.net> wrote: > > >Where did the poor - as in REALLY poor - folks get > > buried? And is there a record of them? > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Donna (and List): > > > > Your last question interests me, too. Unfortunately, > > I am too new to genealogy to know the answer, but I > > wonder if some on the list have had more experience > > with this problem. > > > > I, too, have ancestors that (apparently) never died! > > There is no record of their death or burial place. > > > > Could they have buried them in "the backyard" so to > > speak, and without notifying anyone? Was this a > > common practice in early times? > > > > Judy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >

Hi Her name was Mollie (Simpson) Hanselman Her husbands name was George Washington Hanselman. They married in ag 1902 and there son was born 11-1902 ?? And she is supposed to have died at that time or shortly after. Her mothers name was Anna, no father listed. His Fa Simon Hanselman Mo. name Mary Jane. Anything else just wistle.

It's always possible. TB was very common and many people died from it. If you'll send me the name and a time frame I can check the index of the pauper book. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Scott <mary849@webtv.net> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Burial Place/ Death Dates of Nolens > Ginger > Is there any chance that someone with TB could have been at the Pauper > Farm and when they died buried in the Pauper Cemetery? > Mary >

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:10:54 EDT NJG713@aol.com writes: > There is a book in the city library,"Death Records of Saline County > Book A covers 1877 - 1915, where I found death/burial info, even parents > of deceased and place of burial. > Also, the funeral homes have books in the libraries with burial > information. > JoAnn Does anyone on this list have access to this book and could do a lookup for me on a death in 1882? Melinda Roles Jacquier in Long Beach, CA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.