For those interested in Brown family history: Below is what I have gathered so far for William Brown and Mary Coleman and children. The marriage of William and Mary is based on family tradition. I haven't been able to track down any record of their marriage in Virginia. Some family members say William Brown paid for Mary Coleman's passage from England with "merchantable tobacco" so there may be some record of it somewhere in Virginia. The rest of the information, about the Brown children, comes from records (deeds and probate) in Gallatin and Saline counties. These Browns came into the Illinois Territory circa 1814. Coleman Brown, son of Mary Coleman and William Brown, bought the land that includes and surrounds Wolf Creek Cemetery in 1816. Later, after Coleman's death and when one of Coleman's sons sold the land, one acre was set aside for the cemetery. Kentucky tax lists indicate Coleman Brown farmed in Christian Co., Ky., near Reuben Bramlett and family, before coming into Illinois circa 1814. Coleman and his brothers built a blockhouse very near what is now Eldorado, Ill. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has additional information about these Browns: ddennis@galesburg.net. I think there were at least two unrelated or indirectly related Brown families in Gallatin County. Thomas C. Browne, a judge in Gallatin County in the 1840s and earlier, is one that I haven't been able to connect to William and Mary. I haven't been able to find connections for all of the Browns in early Gallatin County records. Deb Dennis 1 William BROWN 17__? England?--post-1795 pre-1830 VA/SC/KY? ...+Mary COLEMAN 17__? England?--ABT 1832 Gallatin/Saline Co, IL .2 Elizabeth BROWN ABT 1760-70--ABT 1830 Gallatin/Saline Co, IL Bur: Wolf Creek Cem ...+Reuben BRAMLETT 15 Mar 1757 Fauquier Co, VA--11 Sep 1844 Gallatin/Saline Co, IL Bur: Wolf Creek Cem M: ABT 1783-84 VA REV WAR VET .2 Coleman BROWN ABT 1770 VA--ABT 1845-50 Saline Co, IL ...+Nancy __? 17__?--ABT 1845 IL M: pre-1794 ...*2nd wife of Coleman Brown: ...+Luraney/Lurana (Cook) BAKER ABT 1791 NC--post-1860 Saline Co, IL M: 24 Aug 1845 Gallatin Co, IL ...*1st husband of Luraney Cook: ...+Uriah BAKER ?--? M: 18 Oct 1811 Christian Co, KY .2 William BROWN pre-1799 ?--1851? corporal, 1st Regt IL Vols, Mexican War .......+Sabra __? 17__?--? .2 Thomas BROWN 4 Dec 1793--25 Feb 1830 Gallatin Co, IL Bur: Wolf Creek Cem .......+Elizabeth __? ABT 1811 NH--pre-17 Apr 1850 Hamilton Co, IL Bur: Ten Mile Cem ..........*2nd marriage of Elizabeth (__?) Brown: ..........+Abram IRVIN 18__?--post-1850 Hamilton Co, IL? M: 13 Mar 1831 ..........*2nd marriage of Abram Irvin: ..........+Lucretia __? 18__?--18__? M: pre-17 Apr 1850 Hamilton Co, IL? .2 John BROWN 17__?--17 Mar 1830 Gallatin Co, IL Bur: Wolf Creek Cem .......+Sarah JONES ?--May 1832 Trigg Co, KY Bur: KY? (daughter of Mary and John Jones) .2 Francis BROWN 17__?--post-1832 (lived in Fayette Co, IL Sep 1832) ...+? NONE? .2 Lucy BROWN 1770-90 VA?--ABT 1823-24 Bur: Wolf Creek Cem ...+William "Will" BURNETT 2 Jun 1772 Pittsylvania Co, VA--8 Jun 1856 Shawneetown, IL (son of Mary Morrison and James Burnett) M: post-1819/ABT 1823 .....*1st wife of William "Will" Burnett: .....+Sarah GRAHAM 21 Dec 1776--26 Nov 1821 Woolard Farm, Raleigh, IL M: 22 Oct 1796 Prince Edward Co, VA .....*3rd wife of William Burnett: .....+Jane (Runion/Runyon) Irvin 18__? NY--11 Nov 1842 Hamilton Co, IL M: ABT 1833 Div: 1842

Steve, Your just trying to catch up to the GIDCUMB'S, we have three roads and a cemetery named after us. (That's all I have uncovered so far) snicker. Norm

Steve, Actually..... their son William Baker (1836-1847) was the first "visible" burial:-).... According to the cemetery book by the SCGS, this cemetery was enumerated in 1974 & 1976. At this time there were many graves with no markers.... could be that there were some early Rice's buried there, hence the name. Also at that time frame, there was a farm at that location, and it says was owned by John Ed ALVEY.... Best Regards, Trev ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSpunk@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 05 September, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Rice Cemetery WOULD some KIND soul be able to do an ownership check on the following section/area of land that is now the "RICE CEMETERY" ? NE1/4 NW1/4 Section 7 T7S R7E This land was originally EDMUND BAKER land and I would love to see HOW it ended up being called the "RICE" Cemetery. Edmund was the 1st buried there in 1852 followed by his wife Elizabeth Rice Baker in 1855. I think it should be called The Saline County "BAKER / RICE CEMETERY" ??? snicker best steve

If it's the same cemetery where your Edmund was buried then I think Arclar Coal Company may own it now. I'm not sure. I think it may also have been in the Alvey family at one time. Like I said I'm not sure. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSpunk@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Rice Cemetery > WOULD some KIND soul be able to do an ownership check on the following > section/area of land that is now the "RICE CEMETERY" ? > > NE1/4 NW1/4 Section 7 T7S R7E > > This land was originally EDMUND BAKER land and I would love to see HOW it > ended up being called the "RICE" Cemetery. Edmund was the 1st buried there in > 1852 followed by his wife Elizabeth Rice Baker in 1855. I think it should be > called The Saline County "BAKER / RICE CEMETERY" ??? snicker > best > steve >

WOULD some KIND soul be able to do an ownership check on the following section/area of land that is now the "RICE CEMETERY" ? NE1/4 NW1/4 Section 7 T7S R7E This land was originally EDMUND BAKER land and I would love to see HOW it ended up being called the "RICE" Cemetery. Edmund was the 1st buried there in 1852 followed by his wife Elizabeth Rice Baker in 1855. I think it should be called The Saline County "BAKER / RICE CEMETERY" ??? snicker best steve

Hello, Would anyone be interested in looking in an 1890 and 1900 Saline Co. Census to see if a James and Mary McDermott might be listed ? I have a death year as 1883 for Mary, so she may or may not be there. Death year for James is 1907. James and Mary lived with in the Independence - Mitchellsville area. Thank You Dearly, Sue M. Researching: Clark, Lathrop, McDermott, Bush, Slaton. ICQ# 63111122 suem@shawneelink.com

Check out the early census records for info on the number of slaves and probably their surnames in what is now Saline County. (Some Browns, probably my relatives, owned slaves in Illinois in 1820. My Browns came into the Illinois Territory from Kentucky, which clearly was a slave state, as was Illinois, before the Civil War. We all know slavery was widespread in this country from about 1619 until 1865.) The early census records don't give names of the slaves, only numbers, but since slaves usually took the surnames of their masters, it's a good place to start researching, especially for African Americans who have the most difficult job of trying to trace their ancestry. They also have to deal with identity crises: Most have no idea what their real surnames are or should be. on 9/5/2000 3:21 PM, HELTSLEY@aol.com at HELTSLEY@aol.com wrote: > I'm interested in blacks in Southern Illinois > although my focus is Eldorado. So far, I've found little.

Jon, Thanks for the response. I'm interested in blacks in Southern Illinois although my focus is Eldorado. So far, I've found little. Apparently, terrible things occurred there in the early 1900s, including the "Bloody Williamson" "Herrin Massacre" in the '30s. Not too far away in Missouri in 1906 there was a mob lynching dismemberment incident in the Springfield public square. Some towns just have not had blacks living in them while others have. This can't be accidents. And, that old saw about "Anyone who knew anything is gone" just won't work anymore. There must be some honest, fairly accurate written accounts out there. But this query is only incidental to my research on the Morris side of my family who lived in Eldorado since about the 1840s. Three Morris sons served in the Civil War with Saline County volunteers, with one , John F. Morris, dying of disease or illness contracted in the war. I'm just looking for a fuller picture than I knew when I lived there in the '40s and '50s. Shawneetown, as I recall, always had a few black residents there, as did Harrisburg, Carrier Mills, Marion, Herrin, and others. What happened in Union County, Ky., across the river? Ernie Heltsley

Scott Hines wrote an article for the Harrisburg Daily Register early in 1992, that dealt with the incident that drove the blacks out of Eldorado earlier in the 20th Century. There is another story about the massacre of blacks at Grayson (better known by its other name N----- Hill). I've never heard the story first hand and don't know the details. There's one old guy that I know who does know the story, but I've never asked him about that one. His body is doing its best to die on him, but his mind is still sharp. Interviewing him about that incident is on my To Do list. The Union County reference is not to a particularly incident, just to the blatantly racist language and attitude in the 1886 history. It really is striking when compared with 1887 history of Gallatin County just across the river. The general attitudes were not that different among the people, the were certainly different among the two authors. Jon Musgrave www.IllinoisHistory.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <HELTSLEY@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] History of Gallatin, Saline, Hamilton, Franklin and Williams... > Jon, > Thanks for the response. I'm interested in blacks in Southern Illinois > although my focus is Eldorado. So far, I've found little. Apparently, > terrible things occurred there in the early 1900s, including the "Bloody > Williamson" "Herrin Massacre" in the '30s. Not too far away in Missouri in > 1906 there was a mob lynching dismemberment incident in the Springfield > public square. > Some towns just have not had blacks living in them while others have. This > can't be accidents. > And, that old saw about "Anyone who knew anything is gone" just won't work > anymore. There must be some honest, fairly accurate written accounts out > there. > But this query is only incidental to my research on the Morris side of my > family who lived in Eldorado since about the 1840s. Three Morris sons served > in the Civil War with Saline County volunteers, with one , John F. Morris, > dying of disease or illness contracted in the war. I'm just looking for a > fuller picture than I knew when I lived there in the '40s and '50s. > Shawneetown, as I recall, always had a few black residents there, as did > Harrisburg, Carrier Mills, Marion, Herrin, and others. What happened in > Union County, Ky., across the river? > > Ernie Heltsley > >

The sections on Gallatin County seem to contain the most about blacks, and is by far the fairest (especially if you compare it to the History of Union County, Ky., just across the river published a year earlier). The authors of each county history are not listed. However, we think C. J. Lemen, a Shawneetown educator, probably wrote the Gallatin County section. He wasn't from Gallatin County which might explain why he went so far in the crimes section even though it embarrassed some important people in the county. Also, during the Civil War, he had led a colored unit of Union troops and his grandfather had been an Emancipation Baptist minister. Both of those might explain the descriptions of black history without the heavy stereotypical treatment normally found during that era. Jon Musgrave www.IllinoisHistory.com P.S. What area/town are you researching in connection to black history? ----- Original Message ----- From: <HELTSLEY@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] History of Gallatin, Saline, Hamilton, Franklin and Williams... > Anyone out there know if this history book addresses Negroes or blacks in > those counties? Some towns tolerated them and others ran them out of town, > you know. > Part of history, union activity, and attrocious fuled by prejudice. > > Ernie Heltsley > >

Anyone out there know if this history book addresses Negroes or blacks in those counties? Some towns tolerated them and others ran them out of town, you know. Part of history, union activity, and attrocious fuled by prejudice. Ernie Heltsley

Can anyone tell me about this Cemetary & WHY it was named the "Rice Cemetary" ?? Steve

Just a note to everyone in Saline THANKS I must admit that I was a little out of it for the weekend, but try driving 2000 miles in 6 days and I think you get the picture ! I DID have fun & GREATLY enjoyed meeting everyone. The folks at the Geneology Library alse deserve GREAT BIG kudo's for putting up with me !! Best Steve

I have Mary Jane Pickering in my data-base (daughter of Thomas Pickering and Mary Snothers). I have no information on her marriage to Rev. John Caswell Russell or their children. Could someone share information with me on Mary Jane Pickering? Thank You Patricia Mitchell Joliet, IL Researching: HUTSON/PYLE/EDWARDS/NUNN/PICKERING/SISK/MILLER/MITCHELL and others too numerous to mention

Hello to Stan Russell, We have to be cousins because my Great Grandfather is Rev. John Caswell Russell also. Are you from OK.? Caswell married Mary Eaton 7-14-1842 in Williamson Co. they had 7 children. Married Mary Jane Pickering 10-5-1869 Saline Co.they had 4 children. Caswell bought 40 acres 1-27-1854 $1.25/acre section20 township 09s range 03e meridian 3, Williamson Co. <A HREF="http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/land">http://www2.sos.state.il.us /cgi-bin/land</A> Phil Russell

In a message dated 9/4/00 5:07:21 PM Central Daylight Time, thward@cafes.net writes: << History of Gallatin, Saline, Hamilton, Franklin and Williamson Counties, Illinois Chicago: The Goodspeed Publishing Co., 1887 (Reprint edition by: F.A.G.S.) >> Whats time span does this book cover? is it still in print and for sale ? Kathy Kathleen HAYES Yandell LaRose Searching : Golden, Hayes, Miller, Moore, Reid, Thompson, Woods, Bagby, Beckwith, Bumgardener, Eggleston, Floyd, Fuller, Hardy, Hayward, Hokinson, Jones, Kee, Lawson, Marple, McHenry, Robinson, Snellen, Troth, Woodford, Dugan, Glenn, Thornton, and Yandell

Thank you so much for the information, Trev. Martha Baker Harpling

Thank you so much for the information Jon. Martha Baker Harpling

My Grandmother was a Russell. She was Eva Russell. She married Tomas Elvis Enoch. They lived in Williamson and Saline counties and passing away in Saline County. She had a lot of Russell relatives in saline county as I have been around to their grave sites in my early childhood. If I can help in any way, please let me know. At 01:02 PM 9/4/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Everyone: > >My daughters and I are researching our family in Saline County. We are dead-ended with my great-grand father, Rev.John Caswell Russell b.1823 (Tenn) d. 1877 (IL) sp. Marry Jane Pickering (a decendant of Thomas Smothers and Susanah Gilliam. > >We have data to share on the decendents of Jacob & Elizabeth Miller, James Harris, and Mahuldah Arnold. > >Thanks to all, > >Stan Russell > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >

Would like to know if anybody sign up looking for Carters or Kennedy in Harrisburg this past weekend? Thanks for any help. Jim