I found no William and Sarah Carter in the 1870 census for Saline County. Sorry Pat Patricia Mitchell Joliet, IL Researching: HUTSON/PYLE/EDWARDS/NUNN/PICKERING/SISK/MILLER/MITCHELL and others too numerous to mention

Would someone please lookup in the 1880 Census for Saline County for a David Price and his wife Mary/Marsha and their son John M. Price? Thank you. Susan Waldport Oregon

Would somebody please lookup in 1870 census of Saline Co. for a William Carter and his Wife Sarah. Thank you Jim

Melinda, C.N. Trout (Clement Newton) was my great-grandfather. I have in my notes that he was born Aug. 23, 1889. He married Lela Eunice Tyson-don't know the date, and died in 1975. His brothers were: Oliver Trout, Lark Trout, Stella Trout. Also, Paul is my grandfather. He married Wanda Nelson in 1947, and they had nine children! Anyway, I have quite a bit of info on the family. If you're interested, just let me know. Any you have would be great. How are you related to these people? It's great to see someone talk about the Trouts! If anyone has any kind of info on the TROUTs, NELSONs, TYSONs, or ELLISONs, I'd love to get it! Thank you much. Jackie

Would anyone know where burial records are kept for this cemetery? My ggg-grandparents, William and Phoebe COLLINGSWORTH BAKER are buried at Jones Cemetery. Jones is located near Jones Lake. Martha Baker Harpling

I just found I have a Trout in my family-C.N. Trout married Lela E. Tison (born 1893). They had Marcia born 1912 and Paul born 1924. Anyone know any more about this family? Melinda On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:52:06 EDT Jcst131@aol.com writes: > Bill, > I am doing research on my family the TROUTs...is there anyway your > Troutts and my Trouts are connected? If you know anything, could you give > me some info? I know that there was a Mabel in my family as well. Just > thought I'd check it out. Thanks a bunch. > Jackie > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Jcst131@aol.com wrote: > Bill, > I am doing research on my family the TROUTs...is there anyway your Troutts > and my Trouts are connected? If you know anything, could you give me some > info? I know that there was a Mabel in my family as well. Just thought I'd > check it out. Thanks a bunch. > Jackie

Bill, I am doing research on my family the TROUTs...is there anyway your Troutts and my Trouts are connected? If you know anything, could you give me some info? I know that there was a Mabel in my family as well. Just thought I'd check it out. Thanks a bunch. Jackie

And for those interested in other names of black families in Williamson Co...this from the 1860 census: Gemina Morris age 40 from Ky Rachel Level age 10 form Ill. Peter Level age 20 from Ill. Sam Hardeson age 65 from N.C. Roxa Ann Hardeson age 37 from Va. Mary M. Storey age 5 from Ill. Alexander Wiley age 35 from N.C. Frances age 27 from Mo. Lucy age 3 fro,m Ill. Manuel age 4 mos. from Ill. John Stewart age 27 from Mo. Polly age 19 from Ill. Dilly age 8 from Tenn. Letha age 5 from Tenn. Dorthula age 4 from Tenn. Parenthena age 8 mos. from Tenn. Polly age 11 from Tenn. Sutton Overton age 34 from Mo. Permelia age 32 from Va. Faraba age 15 from Ill. William age 12 from Ill. Tempa age 10 from Ill. James age 5 from Ill. Melinda age 3 from Ill. Samuel Overton age 32 from Mo. Margaret age 28 from ga. William P. age 1 from Ill. William Hardison age 22 from Ill. Lucinda age 20 from Mo. Sarah D. age 4 mos. from Ill. William Ellis age 42 from N.C. Winny age 32 from Ala. John W. age 14 from Ill. George W. age 12 from Ill. Burrell S. age 11 from Ill. Levi age 9 from Ill. Emely E. age 7 from Ill. Celia A. age 5 from Ill. Albert age 3 from Ill. Henry age 40 from N.C. H. Killian age 37 from Ill. America age 21 from Va. Malvina age 4 from Ill. William age 2 from Ill. Stacey Storey age 12 from Ill. Catherine Walden age 30 from Va. Sylvester Ellis age 14 from Ill. Francis Ellis age 10 from Ill. Levanus Ellis age 8 from Ill. William Ellis age 2 from Ill. Andrew Scott age 47 from Tenn. Susanna age 46 from Ga. Nancy age 21 from Ga. Wiley age 14 from Ill. James age 8 from Ill. Eliza age 7 from ILl. Sarah age 3 from Ill. Missouri A. age 2 from Ill. Hanna Bryant age 42 from ga. M.V.B. age 19 (male) from Ga. Silas age 15 from Ill. Amanda J. age 13 from Ill. William M. age 11 from Ill. John A. age 9 from Ill. Frances I. age 3 from Ill. Fredic Chavers age 74 from ga. William Murry age 39 from Tenn. Mary age 39 from Ky (This lady was white evidently) Nancy A. age 14 Tenn. Francis F. age 14 from Tenn. Kanzada age 13 from Ill. Martha H. age 10 from Ill. William D. age 7 from Ill. Karenah age 6 from Ill. William age 3 mos. from Ill. These people are listed as family groups and most of them are listed as "Mulatto"

And from "Pioneer Folks and Places", 1939 by Barbara Burr Hubbs: "Africa, the name of the negro settlement in the northeast corner of Williamson County, recalls the story of the McCreery family of Franklin County. Alexander McCreery came from Kentucky to Jordon's Fort in 1812, and his father John McCreery brought a number of family slaves to the new homestead, Fancy farm. These negroes were valued at more than $10,000 and were held in Illinois as indentured servants. When the state was admitted to the union with anti-slavery clause in the constitution, John McCreery took most of his slaves to the Missouri home of other sons. The other slaves were freed but remained as members of the McCreery household. When Mr. and Mrs. McCreery died, Alexander McCreery inherited their slave property in Missouri. He brought them back to Illinois, set them free, and settled them on land adjoining his own. Among the McCreerys slaves in Missouri was an elderly negress, whose husband was not owned by the McCreerys. Rather than separate the couple, Alexander McCreery purchased the man for $300 and brought him along to the settlement that became Africa. this man was Richard Inge. He was a shoemaker, and by his labor paid for eighty acres of land near the McCreery farm. Another negro family in the neighborhood were the Stewarts, brought from Kentucky by their master , freed and given forty acres of land for each family. As freedmen, they took their former owners name. Africa has always been known for its camp meetings, and many people visit these services to enjoy the singing. The first negro brought to the county came to Corinth township in 1820 with Spencer Wadkins. Mr. Wadkins always called him a freedman. Frank Jordan is supposed to have had two negro slaves, and others are listed in the various census at scattered farms in the county." ***** I might add...my family lived just north of Africa and it eventually became a part of Williamson though I am sure in the early days it was a part of Franklin County. I also know some of the descendants of these families and no where are there pioneer families that are more respected than these hard working people. And as a side note...Africa Church should be rebuilt and restored as a memorial to these people...I am willing to contribute to that endeavor and if and when it happens, I will also come home and put some sweat into it too. Betty in Fla

From the History of Williamson Co, Milo Erwin, 1876: "Illinois Territory was a slave Territory, and contained several hundred slaves; but the Constitution of 1818 prohibited slavery within the State; and provided for the manumition of the slaves. Most of the citizens of this county were from the South; but few of them brought slaves with them. Wadkins brought a negro with him, which he always called free, and Frank Jordan had two negro slaves with him. These were all that were in this county. Franklin County had a great many slaves, and the excitement on the question of slavery ran very high until 1818. The negroes were sometimes kidnapped and taken South, and sold, and sometimes taken East and freed. When the State was admitted, almost all the negroes were taken to Missouri and sold. When the question of slavery was settled beyond controversy, some of these negroes were brought back and freed, as provided by law. Alexander McCreery went to Missouri and brought back an old negress slave that his father had owned. He also bought her husband, Richard Inge, out of slavery for $300, and settled them upon eighty acres of land which, by frugality, they finally paid for, and ar enow living on, in the northeast part of this county. Four miles southeast of Marion, the Ellis' settled in an early day. They lived quietly, and raised large families. These, and a few negroes in the northeast corner of the county, were all the negroes in the county until after the war, when a few families settled near Marion. It was a presumption of the law that all negroes were slaves, and hence they could not settle in this county without proving their freedom. About the year 1857, a negro girl, living near Marion, was kidnapped by a band of ruffians, who started south with her to sell her into bondage; but such a thing was too grating to the souls of our people. The hue and cry was levied, and she was rescued from the life of a helpless, toiling slave , and restored to the liberty and freedom which God gave to all nature."

It's an opinion based on what I have read. Would you like to explain where I'm wrong, if I am. Thanks for the help. Ernie

Ernie, where in our history did you read the following statement?.... " Illinois being designated early as a non-slave state still made it a free-for-all for traders and traffickers. They caught, legally too, all persons appearing to be blacks and sold them back into slavery."

JoAnn, Thanks for the very thoughtful response. I agree with most everything, but I do think that the company bringing in black strikebreakers may have incensed the striking workers all the more. I either heard or read in "Bloody Williamson" the book that the blacks were brought in by boxcar and the strikers shot volleys into the sides of them, causing blood to squirt out of the holes. I remember Culp or Colp very well. It was the last bastion of unregulated illegal alcohol and related activity in S. Ill.,when I was at SIU in the '50s and 60s. Illinois being designated early as a non-slave state still made it a free-for-all for traders and traffickers. They caught, legally too, all persons appearing to be blacks and sold them back into slavery. Some went to Missouri, but many went right back on the Wabash and Ohio rivers to the South where they were back in bondage, if I have that right. This probably was the case along the St. Louis Road from Shawneetown through Benton to St. Louis and the Mississippi. An interesting topic. Ernie

While I do not pretend to be a historian of any sorts, our daughter is a cultural anthropologist, and I do find myself interested in the history of regions in which I have lived. Since starting this new hobby, I have really tried to read everything legitimate that comes my way on the history of the area in which I grew up. May I make some observations that might assist those of you interested in the topic of Blacks in Williamson County? First, I suggest that you check whether or not Illinois was ever a slave State. As I recall, it was not. Missouri was a slave State and this differential caused major strife between those folks between the rivers. There is a book published by SIU Press "Land Between the Rivers" which touches on this topic. Folks are correct in pointing out that most of the early settlers did, in fact, come from slave states. The Herrin Massacre was really a union (mine) struggle and a horrible one at that. In the past few months I saw an excellent scholarly write up on this terrible incident. If I find it, I shall post the web address. I believe it would have occurred regardless of colors of skin. Bloody Williamson's focus is on the "gang days" in Williamson County. The famous picture of Charlie Burger (Berger??) hanging in the square is most striking. While I am not suggesting that Williamson County ever embraced Blacks with open arms (just the opposite, I'm sure), I doubt that these references will provide the documentation of unjust treatment which you are seeking. In Williamson County, there was a very small town (???/area) known as Culp. It was between Herrin and Carterville. Many Black families lived in Culp--probably because it was relatively safe for them. Sorry I can't be of more help. By the time I grew up, the single Black person in our town was a wonderful person and athlete--and well respected by his fellow high schoolers. In looking back, I believe that with SIU Carbondale being in our area, folks became much more accepting of folks who just weren't like them. After all, the more exposure one has to folks "not like them"--the more we realize we are all so much alike!!! I'm guessing that most folks really into genealogy quickly learn that they are mixtures of so very many races and religions. That alone would have to be an eye opening experience for any racist. I, for one, am glad I did not grow up and experience the daily injustices which must have occurred in our parents' time. Jo Ann

Hi I too have enjoyed this web site . But is there a web site for Gallatin Co.? Thanks mls

Thank you for the service you have provided. I am now moving on to Gallatin Co.. SSpunk@aol.com wrote: > I show a Bert. probably got it from you tho............ > steve

Surnames: TAYLOR CLARK SWAFFORD SMITH GWINN,GUINN ODONNELL BROWN LITTLE Submitter: Connie Clark Covington (alexcia@grnco.net) Date: 09 Sep 2000 Nancy Smith was married to John W. Brown in 1857 and they had a son Matthew named after his grandfather.I found them on the 1860 Census.In 1870 Father and son were together.Nancy married my gr grandfather Eli Taylor after 1860 and had William M. 1865,Minnie 1873,Mary Belle 1875.I havent been able to find this family together.I find them after they are all married.All the kids were born in IL. They got married in Hamilton and Saline Co. Nancy was Indian I have a pic. of her were arrowhead Necklace.If you have anything on this family I will share.Other connections Clark,Gwinn,Guinn,Little,Odonnell,Swafford. Thank You Connie alexcia@grnco.net

Trying to locate information on Margaret (Knatzer) Ming, widow of Joseph Ming. Margaret received Rev War pension on Joseph in Saline Co IL 1849. Is this the same Joseph Ming (Minzes)who 1807 received land grant in Wayne Co Ky? You will find an additional grant under the name of Margaret Ming (Minzes) in 1825. Both grants are listed on Otter Creek in Wayne Co Ky. I believe that Margaret was 2nd wife of Joseph Ming. Finding reference to a marriage date of Nov 18 1794 Rowan Co NC. Find Joseph on 1790 Rowan Census living is Salisbury Dist. There are several references to Margaret Knatze (Kanatze & various spell) listed on various "Internet Genealogy" sites with birth date of 1810, with no references sited to show origins of this date. Mary E Jones Marion. IL

Mart, That's great!!!!! I was wondering, was Jeff Kotner there? I had thought of him because of his very old maps of the area. I know that I like to look at those things, and probably if the other's knew that he were there with them, they would have enjoyed looking at them, tryiing to figure out where things are now. I'm sorry, if he was there, please accept my apologies. I also have another suggestion, maybe you might want someone else to do the Public Relations, or Publicity is what I'm looking for. Being married to the Publisher doesn't always have the perks that one would think when one wants something in the paper or something written . I apologize again, I think that they thought that it was what I was wanting personnally, and I don't think that they wanted to do that. I will help next year, LORD WILLING. GREAT JOB Suzi Wilson *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/7/00 at 9:46 PM C Mart Watson wrote: |I would like to thank everyone who attended and participated in the event. Everyone seemed to enjoy it. It was successful enough that the Saline County Tourism Board is willing to give it another try next year. Thanks again. |Mart Suzi Wilson Eldorado, Illinois http://www.salinecounty.com ICQ # 186101