My great-grand-parents, Thomas McDonald(1859-1926) and Mary Aldredge(1858-1916) lived a good portion of their lives in Eldorado and died in Eldorado. Their bodies were sent from Martin Funeral Home for burial in Mt. Vernon, IN. Does this funeral home still exist, and if it does, would it be able to tell me what cemetery their bodies were sent to? Does anyone have an address for the funeral home? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance. Judy I am still hoping to find some information on the McGuinn's from this wonderful list serve.

>> The Census Taker's Home! (from the Sunday Afternoon Rocking series) > > Well, I'm surely glad to be home, that I am. I tell you another day like > this one and I am good mind just to fill them papers out on memory and be > done with it. Here, put these socks over there next to the fire to dry out, > will you? Got down yonder this mornin and everyone in Household 451 through > 486 was gone. Some big shindig going on down there. Good thing the folks in > 441 could tell me who they all was. > > Here, reckon you could go over some of the writin on this here page? Got > smeared a bit in the rain. I think you can cipher most of it out. Then them > folks down in the holler got suspicious over a census. Said, and derned if > they had a point, what difference did it make who they was? Was them guvment > folks up in Warshington going to come down here to say howdy do? So they > finally let me write down they last name and first initial, but I think they > wuz havin a bit of fun with me when they listed who lived in the house. Saw > some winkin goin on and I believe I got the same > house a youngins in two or three places. It been a day, woman. Honey, git > that paper out of Johnny's mouth, will ya? I worked all day on that thing, > and > no call to let him go chewin it up. >> Went up the river a piece and tried to get that done fore it come a > downpour, > but run into trouble there too. Ole Man Jenkins curr dog run me off and I > tell you, ain't no call to get eat up over such a thing as this. They ort to > be a limit what a man does for his country. Was lucky man down the road > mostly knew Jenkins was nigh on sixty years old and was living there with > his > woman and five youngins from his first marriage plus a passel from the > second. We give em good Christian names. Best be doin something bout this > pen. It give out on me halfway through. See you havin > trouble too. Johnny! Hand that here, boy! > > And I tell you I would ruther fight grandpap's British than mess with that > feller out on the ridge. He got out his shotgun soon as he seen me comin and > I went t'other direction. Had Jones tell me about him instead, and he didn't > rightly know the feller's first name, said they called him "Squirrel", and > it was ok just to put that cause wasn't nobody around here claimin him no > how, and they for sure didn't want the guvment knowin there was any > relationship. That coffee done? > > Then got over to Smiths, and ole Hoss was in a nervous fit so wasn't no > getting information there. His woman havin another youngin and he looked > like he could run right through me when I went to askin how many youngins he > had now. Hightailed it out of there, and Miz Hart helped me straighten that > household out. Think we got most of the names straight, and as he has had a > youngin a year for the last ten, ages purty close too. Now look what Johnny > went and done! > > I tell you, next time this come around I ain't gonna be no where in sight. > Farmin a heap easier, and I figger there folks round here what can read and > write and cipher and ain't no good fer nothing else we can spare for this > foolishness. Pass me another tater, will you? > > >

Thanks, just wasn't sure it was just me. Thot I was gonna have ta get me eyeballs checked again !! For some added notes: I no longer consider Edmund Baker (1776) 's m2 to be Elizabeth RICE. I have DROPPED the RICE and I no longer consider her to be a RICE. (Unless someone can find it in writing of course). It came to me that the only reason she was considered to be a RICE was the fact that she was seemingly the only way that Edmund could have been buried in the RICE Cemetary. Since I have come to the reasoning that the RICE Cemetary was ORIGINALLY BAKER land, she was probably buried in the cemetary while it was STILL Baker land. IE at the time she died, it would really have been the BAKER Cemetary and not RICE. There were at least 3 other BAKER's buried there before her & the first buried there was a Baker. nuff said on that matter fer now ! lol. Another question keeps rising in my mind (ALSO a VERY SCARY THING !!) IF someone was born in NC in 1776, could they REALLY have been born in what was later TENNESSEE ? IF so then what was the state of birth usually considered to be ?? ie could my Edmund have been born in a part of NC that later became Tenn and then still stated he was born in NC/SC ? I've always had trouble with moving boundries !! thanks, steve sspunk@aol.com "My mind is so big, that when my boat sinks inside it, I drown"

there are some Carters buried in Wolfe Creek Cem. Eldorado, Ill.

So happy for you, Teresa!! Kathryne

Thank for sharing my joy with me. Yippee!!!! I have wish that 2001 New Year would be good to me, that ancestors will fall down on my lap. As least I know when he died. Here my great grandfather John Henry Carter had married to Mary Alice Souther in 1891 in Saline County, and it said his father was Douglas Carter and mother VANTREASE. It was his mother that was Sarah Caroline Vantrease Carter Kelly. Found the marriage record of Mrs. Sarah Carter married to Giles Kelly in 1877 in Saline County. Can you imagine me trying to find Douglas Carter, wonder what happen to him, did he died or did they divorced???? Then got to looking in genforum on Carter and Vantrease and lo and behold, there was his name and everything. Right now, I am talking to the lady who could be my long lost cousin. We are trying to figure out the puzzles to our families. It could be that her Ellie Carter is my great grandfather's sister. Hot diggety dog!!! Ain't this wonderful!! Just want to share my joy with my friends in Saline County on what happen. Thank everybody for alway been there for me. Teresa from Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: <MomNat@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Douglas Carter in Raleigh > So happy for you, Teresa!! > Kathryne > >

Geez, thank for letting me know. Got one response telling me that there is no Carter's buried in Raleigh. Wonder if anybody have cemetery index on Wolfe Creek Cemetery??? Thank for letting me know. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sammjo99@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Douglas Carter in Raleigh > there are some Carters buried in Wolfe Creek Cem. Eldorado, Ill. > >

I have just found out a new clue on my great great grandfather Douglas Carter. I was so excited when I found out about this and barely can contain myself. Found out that Douglas Carter was born 1846 in Macon County, Tennessee, married to Sarah Caroline Vantrease in Carterville, Illinois. He died in April 12, 1873 in Raleigh, Illinois. Now we got him. What I want to know is how many cemeteries are there in Raleigh? Is there any web site or url I can check for his burial place? Or does anybody have a cemetery book they can look up for me? Now I got to track down on who is his parents and siblings. Now I know now when Douglas Carter had died. Here I had been looking high and low places for him. So that was the most wonderful news for me. Hot diggety dog!!!!! Teresa from Oklahoma

Hi Saline Co. listers, I have updated the "Yesterdays of Hamilton Co., IL" today and have added an interesting article re. Charlie Birger and his gang that some of you may enjoy. The URL is: http://www.carolyar.com/Illinois/Govern/Birger.htm Carol

Steve, I agree...I have been getting the same jumbled message after the msn pasting. I did not realize what was causing the problem. Regina

Steve, I can't receive those on aol either, just a bunch of letters that make no sence. I just have mine sent to my local carrier. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <REGGEE248@aol.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] msn: garbled message > Steve, > I agree...I have been getting the same jumbled message after the msn pasting. > I did not realize what was causing the problem. > Regina > >

could ya remove the msn url ? EVERYTIME it's pasted in for some reaon my aol browser loses the editing marks and all I get is garbage. Is anyone else having the same problem ? thanks, steve

I would also be interested in any information on tracing Indian ancestry for family lines in southern IL. There are family stories about being part Cherokee and also of being part Blackfoot on more than one branch of my family tree. Regina

Can anyone tell me if more information exists for funerals from the Harrisburg Funeral Home than what is in the book by Bernard W. Moore for the time from 1907 until 1965? The information contained in this book seems very limited and seems to have been transcribed. Roger SOUTHPARLO@msn.com<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Would someone be so kind as to do a lookup for me in the 1910 and 1920 census on McGuinn? I am looking for several, especially a Martin McGuinn who is my great-grandfather. Also in the 1920 census, they list a James J McGuinn (who is my grandfather) at East Eldorado Twp. City Ward 2. Are there any other McGuinns mentioned? Also looking for an Emma Rausch who is James McGuinn's sister. I know nothing except she had a son. Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. I have been at a brick wall on Martin McGuinn. I traced him to Indiana(Carbon and Brazil). He had children born there but I can't find him in any census. One birth was 1897. Thanks again! Judy Jordan

WOW, Trev!!!! You are alway there for me!!! And truly amazing guy!!! I have note that Sarah C. VANTREASE had married to Unknown KELLY. Supposely this is Giles Kelly. She married to him on August 5, 1877 in Saline County, Mrs. Sarah Carter to Giles Kelly. I have also found that Sarah C. Vantrease had married to Alfred Carter. Couldn't find the marriage record of Carter and Vantrease in Illinois. This Alfred Carter is what confuse me. In copy of marriage of Henry Carter and M. A. Souther, it stated that his father is Douglas Carter and mother "Vantrease". On "By whom consent to Marriage given", it is Sarah C. Kelly. So this Sarah C. Kelly is Sarah C. Vantrease Carter Kelly. Is Douglas Carter the same person as Alfred Carter? I am trying to find Douglas Carter. He must have died or something, for Mrs. Sarah Carter to be married to Giles Kelly. I hope somebody here is searching for this Carter of mine. This Carter is hard to track down for there is so many of them....white Carters, Indian Carters, Black Carters. But mine is white Carters. Again, thank you ever so much for your help on this VANTREASE'S family. Maybe one of these days, the puzzling and this mysteries to this family will be solved and I am slowly getting there and thank to all of you on Saline County List, you are the BEST OF ALL. Sincerely, Teresa from Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: Trev <thward@cafes.net> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:35 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Sarah Vantrease > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Young <jtjjy@surfree.com> > To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, 29 December, 2000 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Sarah Vantrease > > > > Thank you for the information on Sarah's family. I will check out Thomas and > > Nancy Vantrease. Who are the 3 brothers and 2 sisters of Sarah C. Vantrease? > > Bless you for taking the time to do look-up for me. > > Does it say anything on Thomas, Nancy, Sarah and other's birthplace on your > > 1860 Census and the rest of the ages? Again many thank. Teresa > > Teresa, > > I show the following..... > > Descendants of Thomas Vantrease > > 1 [3] Thomas VANTREASE b: 26 Mar, 1818 in Wilson Co., TN d: 31 Mar, 1882 in > Saline Co., IL > .. +Rebecka PORTER b: 23 Jul, 1820 in Smith Co., TN m: 09 Jun, 1839 in Hamilton > Co. IL d: 30 Sep, 1853 in Unknown Father: Thomzen PORTER Mother: Rebecca > HARDESTY > ........... 2 James E. VANTREASE b: 04 Sep, 1840 in Unknown d: 28 Jan, 1862 > in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., IL > ........... 2 Thomas J. VANTREASE b: 21 Mar, 1842 in Unknown d: 12 Nov, 1857 > in Unknown > ........... 2 [1] John W. VANTREASE b: 05 Sep, 1843 in Unknown d: 15 Jul, > 1921 in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., IL > ............... +Laura Ann SHOWALTER b: 13 Apr, 1849 in Roanoke Co., VA m: 16 > May, 1866 in Hamilton Co. IL d: 22 Apr, 1935 in Unknown Father: Isaac SHOWALTER > Mother: Nancy THRASHER > ......................... 3 Nancy Floretta VANTREASE b: 23 Apr, 1867 in > Unknown d: 19 Apr, 1953 in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., > IL > ............................. +Herschel Vahoovas DRISKELL b: 08 Oct, 1860 in > Washington Co., IN m: 09 Apr, 1890 in Hamilton Co. IN d: 25 Apr, 1921 in Unknown > ......................... 3 Robert M. VANTREASE b: 1869 in Unknown d: 1890 in > Unknown > ......................... 3 Edgar VANTREASE b: 1874 in Unknown > ......................... 3 Lula VANTREASE b: 1875 in Unknown d: 1878 in > Unknown > ......................... 3 Sylvia VANTREASE b: 1879 in Unknown d: 1879 in > Unknown > ......................... 3 Thomas Isaac VANTREASE b: 1881 in Unknown d: 1959 > in Unknown > ......................... 3 Fred Grant VANTREASE b: 1885 in Unknown d: 1909 > in Unknown > ......................... 3 Ethel Maurie VANTREASE b: 1888 in Unknown > ........... *2nd Wife of [1] John W. Vantrease: > ............... +CYNTHIA m: 10 Sep, 1879 in Unknown > ........... 2 Grayson Porter VANTREASE b: 02 Feb, 1845 in IL d: 12 Jan, 1921 > in Saline Co., IL Burial: Durham Cem., Long Branch Twp., Saline Co., IL > ............... +Martha Penelope LYON b: 03 Nov, 1852 in Wilson Co., TN m: 16 > Sep, 1869 in Saline Co,. IL. d: 02 Aug, 1952 in Unknown Father: Nathan LYON > Mother: HARRIET > ........... 2 Mary(Mayme?) Ann VANTREASE b: Abt. 1846 in IL d: 1917 in > Unknown > ............... +Unknown WIGGINS > ........... 2 Sarah C. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1848 in IL d: 1902 in Unknown > ............... +Unknown KELLY > ........... 2 [2] Joseph T. VANTREASE b: 31 Oct, 1849 in Saline? Co., IL d: > 09 Jan, 1910 in Saline? Co., IL Burial: Tate Chapel, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL > ............... +Mary Evaline LYON b: 27 Mar, 1850 in IL m: 30 Aug, 1868 in > Saline Co,. IL. d: 11 Nov, 1898 in Unknown > ......................... 3 Milla VANTREASE b: Abt. 1871 in IL > ......................... 3 Hattie VANTREASE b: Abt. 1874 in IL > ......................... 3 Ida VANTREASE b: Abt. 1877 in IL > ........... *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph T. Vantrease: > ............... +Martha A. SHEPHERD m: 21 Nov, 1900 in Saline Co,. IL. > ........... 2 Emma T. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1852 in IL d: 1927 in Unknown > *2nd Wife of [3] Thomas Vantrease: > .. +Nancy Ann JONES b: Abt. 1827 in TN m: 07 Jan, 1855 in Saline Co,. IL. > Father: Daniel JONES Mother: ELIZABETH > ........... 2 [4] Henry E. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1856 in IL > ............... +Lenora OGLESBY b: 25 Aug, 1867 in Saline Co., IL, d: 29 Nov, > 1907 in Hamilton? Co., IL. Father: Pleasant W. OGLESBY Mother: Mary > HEATON/HORTON > ......................... 3 Elmer VANTREASE b: 15 Jun, 1904 in Hamilton Co., > IL. d: 07 Aug, 1953 in Uknown > ........... *2nd Wife of [4] Henry E. Vantrease: > ............... +Sarah E. OGLESBY b: Abt. 1855 in IL m: 30 Nov, 1876 in Saline > Co,. IL. Father: Pleasant W. OGLESBY Mother: Mary HEATON/HORTON > ......................... 3 Thomas VANTREASE b: Abt. 1878 in IL > ......................... 3 William VANTREASE b: Abt. Jan 1880 in IL > ........... 2 Valentine VANTREASE b: Abt. 1861 in IL > ............... +Hannah HAMMOCK b: Abt. 1865 in IL m: 16 Jan, 1883 in Saline > Co,. IL. > ........... 2 Elijah VANTREASE b: Abt. 1863 in IL > ........... 2 Soloman VANTREASE b: Abt. 1866 in IL > ........... 2 Eliza VANTREASE b: Abt. Mar 1870 in IL > > Best Regards, Trev > > > > > > > > >

I apparently wasn't paying attention and missed the initial message. I have a smidge on a John L. Karnes - b.1854 d 1937. He married Tennessee Catherine Davis Mugge (her 2nd marr) ca 1917. The Davis line is mine, but have nothing else on John. Donna Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Deanna's Email <tobi@onlinemac.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] John Karnes > Even John Karnes' kids didn't know much about him. > I have asked his only living daughter... > She says that her father was a bootlegger and that > he ran away from home when he was young. Never spoke of > his family at all. At one time they ran a river boat up and down the river. > > Just can't seem to pin point any connections. Hmm... > > Deanna > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: James Young <jtjjy@surfree.com> To: <ILSALINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 29 December, 2000 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Sarah Vantrease > Thank you for the information on Sarah's family. I will check out Thomas and > Nancy Vantrease. Who are the 3 brothers and 2 sisters of Sarah C. Vantrease? > Bless you for taking the time to do look-up for me. > Does it say anything on Thomas, Nancy, Sarah and other's birthplace on your > 1860 Census and the rest of the ages? Again many thank. Teresa Teresa, I show the following..... Descendants of Thomas Vantrease 1 [3] Thomas VANTREASE b: 26 Mar, 1818 in Wilson Co., TN d: 31 Mar, 1882 in Saline Co., IL .. +Rebecka PORTER b: 23 Jul, 1820 in Smith Co., TN m: 09 Jun, 1839 in Hamilton Co. IL d: 30 Sep, 1853 in Unknown Father: Thomzen PORTER Mother: Rebecca HARDESTY ........... 2 James E. VANTREASE b: 04 Sep, 1840 in Unknown d: 28 Jan, 1862 in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., IL ........... 2 Thomas J. VANTREASE b: 21 Mar, 1842 in Unknown d: 12 Nov, 1857 in Unknown ........... 2 [1] John W. VANTREASE b: 05 Sep, 1843 in Unknown d: 15 Jul, 1921 in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., IL ............... +Laura Ann SHOWALTER b: 13 Apr, 1849 in Roanoke Co., VA m: 16 May, 1866 in Hamilton Co. IL d: 22 Apr, 1935 in Unknown Father: Isaac SHOWALTER Mother: Nancy THRASHER ......................... 3 Nancy Floretta VANTREASE b: 23 Apr, 1867 in Unknown d: 19 Apr, 1953 in Unknown Burial: Gholson Cem., Broughton, Ham. Co., IL ............................. +Herschel Vahoovas DRISKELL b: 08 Oct, 1860 in Washington Co., IN m: 09 Apr, 1890 in Hamilton Co. IN d: 25 Apr, 1921 in Unknown ......................... 3 Robert M. VANTREASE b: 1869 in Unknown d: 1890 in Unknown ......................... 3 Edgar VANTREASE b: 1874 in Unknown ......................... 3 Lula VANTREASE b: 1875 in Unknown d: 1878 in Unknown ......................... 3 Sylvia VANTREASE b: 1879 in Unknown d: 1879 in Unknown ......................... 3 Thomas Isaac VANTREASE b: 1881 in Unknown d: 1959 in Unknown ......................... 3 Fred Grant VANTREASE b: 1885 in Unknown d: 1909 in Unknown ......................... 3 Ethel Maurie VANTREASE b: 1888 in Unknown ........... *2nd Wife of [1] John W. Vantrease: ............... +CYNTHIA m: 10 Sep, 1879 in Unknown ........... 2 Grayson Porter VANTREASE b: 02 Feb, 1845 in IL d: 12 Jan, 1921 in Saline Co., IL Burial: Durham Cem., Long Branch Twp., Saline Co., IL ............... +Martha Penelope LYON b: 03 Nov, 1852 in Wilson Co., TN m: 16 Sep, 1869 in Saline Co,. IL. d: 02 Aug, 1952 in Unknown Father: Nathan LYON Mother: HARRIET ........... 2 Mary(Mayme?) Ann VANTREASE b: Abt. 1846 in IL d: 1917 in Unknown ............... +Unknown WIGGINS ........... 2 Sarah C. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1848 in IL d: 1902 in Unknown ............... +Unknown KELLY ........... 2 [2] Joseph T. VANTREASE b: 31 Oct, 1849 in Saline? Co., IL d: 09 Jan, 1910 in Saline? Co., IL Burial: Tate Chapel, Tate Twp., Saline Co., IL ............... +Mary Evaline LYON b: 27 Mar, 1850 in IL m: 30 Aug, 1868 in Saline Co,. IL. d: 11 Nov, 1898 in Unknown ......................... 3 Milla VANTREASE b: Abt. 1871 in IL ......................... 3 Hattie VANTREASE b: Abt. 1874 in IL ......................... 3 Ida VANTREASE b: Abt. 1877 in IL ........... *2nd Wife of [2] Joseph T. Vantrease: ............... +Martha A. SHEPHERD m: 21 Nov, 1900 in Saline Co,. IL. ........... 2 Emma T. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1852 in IL d: 1927 in Unknown *2nd Wife of [3] Thomas Vantrease: .. +Nancy Ann JONES b: Abt. 1827 in TN m: 07 Jan, 1855 in Saline Co,. IL. Father: Daniel JONES Mother: ELIZABETH ........... 2 [4] Henry E. VANTREASE b: Abt. 1856 in IL ............... +Lenora OGLESBY b: 25 Aug, 1867 in Saline Co., IL, d: 29 Nov, 1907 in Hamilton? Co., IL. Father: Pleasant W. OGLESBY Mother: Mary HEATON/HORTON ......................... 3 Elmer VANTREASE b: 15 Jun, 1904 in Hamilton Co., IL. d: 07 Aug, 1953 in Uknown ........... *2nd Wife of [4] Henry E. Vantrease: ............... +Sarah E. OGLESBY b: Abt. 1855 in IL m: 30 Nov, 1876 in Saline Co,. IL. Father: Pleasant W. OGLESBY Mother: Mary HEATON/HORTON ......................... 3 Thomas VANTREASE b: Abt. 1878 in IL ......................... 3 William VANTREASE b: Abt. Jan 1880 in IL ........... 2 Valentine VANTREASE b: Abt. 1861 in IL ............... +Hannah HAMMOCK b: Abt. 1865 in IL m: 16 Jan, 1883 in Saline Co,. IL. ........... 2 Elijah VANTREASE b: Abt. 1863 in IL ........... 2 Soloman VANTREASE b: Abt. 1866 in IL ........... 2 Eliza VANTREASE b: Abt. Mar 1870 in IL Best Regards, Trev

Can somebody tell me where the Canthell school district is/was? I believe that it must be in Saline, Hamilton or Franklin Co. Any help appreciated. Thank you, Jim Nerone

Deanna; In the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index 1763 - 1900 There was a Susan Karnes Saline Co. married Thomas Simpson 11-2-1870 Albert Karnes married Viola Simpson Gallatin Co. 9-4-1890 ( I believe this couple had a daughter by the name of Callie showing as granddaughter of Anna Simpson (head of house) in the 1900 Cencus.) I'm looking for this Simpson family. Does this information help you? Hope so.