In a message dated 8/3/2003 10:45:40 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > What was the draw? Anyone know for sure? > I do not know for sure. I bet it was the economy. My HAWKINSes went ti IL, AR, OK MI and who knows? I did see that one of my relatives worked in an auto factory. Pontiac was big on autos. Good luck in your quest, Bud in IL

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For the same reason that I came to Pontiac, Michigan some 35+ years ago; Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Mostly in the auto industry and families followed relatives. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Crabtree To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Obit for Fred HAWKINS I have noticed several references of people from Saline Co., IL moving to Pontiac, Michigan. What was the draw? Anyone know for sure? Ed Crabtree From the State of Missouri in the USA [email protected]

I have noticed several references of people from Saline Co., IL moving to Pontiac, Michigan. What was the draw? Anyone know for sure? Ed Crabtree From the State of Missouri in the USA [email protected]

People were leaving Saline Co. and going to Pontiac to work in the Car plants. General Motors and the Ford Motor co. My own father went there in 1928. Times were tough in Saline co. during the depression. Jane -------Original Message------- From: Ed Crabtree <[email protected]> Sent: 08/03/03 10:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Obit for Fred HAWKINS > > I have noticed several references of people from Saline Co., IL moving to Pontiac, Michigan. What was the draw? Anyone know for sure? Ed Crabtree From the State of Missouri in the USA [email protected] >

My address is changing from [email protected] to [email protected] Debbie Rose searching PRATHER/DECKER/CHURCH/CLARK

Fred HAWKINS was from Saline County, IL. He moved to Pontiac, MI about 1930, He owned a grocery store in Pontiac, Michigan in the 1930s. He lost it when he extended credit to his customers who were out of work due to the depression and they were unable to repay him the money he had lent them. He them worked as a tool and die maker for a few years before W.W.II. He was told by his doctor that his health would be improved if he would move to a drier climate. He moved to New Mexico in the 1940s where he died, Jan. 19, 1947. Fred Hawkins had to have a lung removed because of lung cancer. The date you have for his death is correct. Ellen (JONES, HAWKINS?) took his body from Belen (NM) to his home in Harrisburg to be buried. He must have been born there also. Would like an obit. Any help appreciated. Fred was at one time m. to Virginia O. LeMonde of Harrisburg, Ruth Maxwell and maybe Ellen Jones. Ruth and Ellen might have been from Pontiac, Michigan. Thanks in adv. Bud in the Land of Lincoln

In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:22:36 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > They could also mean Oakland Township along with Oakland County Steve: It was definitely Pontiac, MI. I received the 1930 census from Pontiac and Fred & family were there. Thanks, Bud

They could also mean Oakland Township along with Oakland County. If this was during the 30's the odds are it was in Pontiac tho. The names, however bring back memories. There was a Hawkins Equipment Company on Orchard Lake road for years. Their daughters name was "Ginny". hummmm. Wouldn't have fit yours tho. She was bc 1951. Unless she was change of life and ............. Another name for the files of Lost Saliner's. Imagine what would have happened if everyone had STAYED down there and never left ............. BEST steve [email protected]

Amelia Buckner married a Morse. Is she yours? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Southern IL 1810 Census > This is to Suzanne re the 1810 Illinois census. I am searching Buckner's > probably in the Pope County region. Looking for Delilah, David. James or > Leonard. Anyinformation would be appreciated. Send to me at Kicker [email protected] >

Bud, Can you explain further what you are calling Oakland, MI. I live in Clarkston, MI. in the County of Oakland where a great many of the people from southern Illinois came to work in the factories. Sue _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

This is to Suzanne re the 1810 Illinois census. I am searching Buckner's probably in the Pope County region. Looking for Delilah, David. James or Leonard. Anyinformation would be appreciated. Send to me at Kicker [email protected]

In a message dated 7/31/2003 6:57:59 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Can you explain further what you are calling Oakland, MI. Sue: I recently have email from a HAWKINS cousin whose father had a grocery store in Pontiac, MI. Sorry for not being more specific. Bud in Godfrey, IL

I Hi List: I'm looking for Fred HAWKINS and wife Virginia (LEMONDE) and several children who would have been in Harrisburg, Saline Co.,IL ca. 1920-1930. In the 1930's he moved to Oakland Michigan. He was the proprietor of the Hawkins Grocery store until about 1938 when he went bankrupt during the depression .His family lived above the store. He had another wife, Ruth MAXWELL. It is unknown to me whether Ruth accompanied him or he married her there. After 1937he lived with Ellen JONES who raised his son, Joe, b. Jan. 01, 1937 in Oakland while running the store. Joe m. Rose Nora CONNERS Sept. 01, 1961.Whether the marriage took place in Michigan, I do not know. Rose was b. in NYC. Fred's health was bad because of lung cancer and his doctor told him to move to a drier climate, so he lived in Belem, NM where he died Jan. 19, 1947. He was buried in Harrisburg, Saline Co., IL Thanksfor any help, Bud in Godfrey, IL

I am trying to find someone from Carrier Mills, his name is Danny Leroy Miller. I believe he lived there in the 1950, perhaps was born there, I know he lived in California in 1962 and that he was in the Korean War. If anyone can be of any assistance to me please contact me. Shawna Carolyn Lawson [email protected] Shawna

Great idea....to ask local library if they got the grant...didn't even think of that!! Leanna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trev" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Heritage Quest Question > Yes.... If you live in Harrisburg. I'm thinking that you can only get a > public library card for your townships library, only if you live in that > township. It's possible that you may get on thow if you just reside in > Saline county. > > If you don't live there, go down to your own local library and see if they > got the federal grant to pay for Heritage like Harrisburg library did. If > they haven't, ask them to apply for it. > > Trev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "holdgraf" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Heritage Quest Question > > > > If we apply for and get a Harrisburg library do you suppose we could then > > get access to Heritage Quest from our cpmputers? > > > > Leanna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Heritage Quest Question > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/18/03 7:52:15 PM Central Daylight Time, > > [email protected] > > > writes: > > > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > > > I'm sure it was in error that we got in at all. These are normally set > > up to > > > > get into from either the library's PC's (by going to the library), or > by > > > > using you home PC and using your PIN number from your library card to > > access > > > > your local library's mainframe, and then going into Heritage through > > them > > > > that way. We were doing it that way but we are not residents of > > Harrisburg > > > > and do not get (not suppooose to) their goodies (just like in your own > > home > > > > town:-)) > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Trev > > > > > > Thanks, Trev, You are probably correct. > > > > > > Also thanks for posting the information on Sarah DePew on the Hamilton > Co. > > > site. > > > > > > Cuz (maybe) Sam > > > > > > > >

Yes.... If you live in Harrisburg. I'm thinking that you can only get a public library card for your townships library, only if you live in that township. It's possible that you may get on thow if you just reside in Saline county. If you don't live there, go down to your own local library and see if they got the federal grant to pay for Heritage like Harrisburg library did. If they haven't, ask them to apply for it. Trev ----- Original Message ----- From: "holdgraf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Heritage Quest Question > If we apply for and get a Harrisburg library do you suppose we could then > get access to Heritage Quest from our cpmputers? > > Leanna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:41 AM > Subject: Re: [ILSALINE-L] Re: Heritage Quest Question > > > > In a message dated 7/18/03 7:52:15 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] > > writes: > > > > > Sam, > > > > > > I'm sure it was in error that we got in at all. These are normally set > up to > > > get into from either the library's PC's (by going to the library), or by > > > using you home PC and using your PIN number from your library card to > access > > > your local library's mainframe, and then going into Heritage through > them > > > that way. We were doing it that way but we are not residents of > Harrisburg > > > and do not get (not suppooose to) their goodies (just like in your own > home > > > town:-)) > > > > > > Best Regards, Trev > > > > Thanks, Trev, You are probably correct. > > > > Also thanks for posting the information on Sarah DePew on the Hamilton Co. > > site. > > > > Cuz (maybe) Sam > > > >

Hi Steve, I found the following BAKER names listed as members of Union Baptist Church, along with the dates they were baptized: Ann - 8/1/1881, Elijah - 3/1844, Elizabeth - 12/1843, Elizabeth M. - 3/1844, James - 1/1844, Lucinda - 12/1843, Patsy- 11/1862, Phebe - 9/1866, Ruben - 8/1866, and William T. - 10/1866. Please note, for the women, this could be their married name. Also, I did not see any RISTER names on the membership list. For more Primitive Baptist Church info, you might check their link at: www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html Elder Robert Webb has an extensive research link here and has an abundance of info regarding the church, its history, members, etc. Best wishes in your research, Barbara Crain ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: [ILSALINE-L] RePrim Baptist > Were any of the Baker's listed in that church ? They were kinda Primative > ....... yeeeewhh ..... know my Risters were active in it also > Steve > [email protected] > "the one with da extree holes in his chest"

Were any of the Baker's listed in that church ? They were kinda Primative ....... yeeeewhh ..... know my Risters were active in it also Steve [email protected] "the one with da extree holes in his chest"

Hello- In the last two issues of The Shawnee published by the Saline County Genealogical Society there has been a list of members of the Union (Raleigh) Baptist Church submitted by the late Averil Mathis. Does anyone have any other history on this Church? Exact location? Is it still there? Several of my Upchurch/Bramlet/Stricklin/Rabourn, etc. relatives appear on this roster and I would love to have more info. Thanks! Kate Rodenbach _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus