This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chatterchit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.unknown/12827.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to William's birth certificate, his father was 34 when he was born -- That would make Emil's birth year approximately 1870. What is your source for 1883? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.