With regard to births and marriage records... you may want to contact either of these women and ask if they can help - here are their web addys: Molly - _www.mollx.com_ (http://www.mollx.com) Cynthia - _www.Chicagogenealogy.com_ (http://www.Chicagogenealogy.com) just go to their sites and then follow the link to send them an e mail - if they can help you, the charge is small - about 4.00. Sometimes they can get things that aren't on the indexes (years) for the secretary of state's site. Good Luck, Genealogyangel