I will try and see what I can find for you. If you have most of your research done, I don't know if subscribing to genealogy.com is worthwhile. I have Ancestry. com also and really would like to drop one of them but can't decide which one. Ha. genealogy.com has it fixed so you can't always print something out or copy it to someone else, and it has more census indexed than Ancestry but I search the index on genealogy.com and then go to Ancestry and can copy or send others the image page of the census. I really don't need them anymore for myself unless they keep adding more data bases. I find rootsweb.com mail lists more useful. I do an awful lot of lookups for others now and since that is my main hobby I keep both Ancestry and genealogy.com so I can help others. I like the challenge of breaking down those brick walls :) Do you have birth record for Permelia? If you will let me know the first record you have for her so I won't repeat your work, that would save time. Even those records that turned out NOT be to be her. Get back with you later in next week. Ella