Linda, In addition to entering an estimate for the date of the second marriage, make sure you've given an "ending status" for the first marriage (death of one spouse, divorce, etc.). The box for the ending status is found in the "more" in the marriage area. If the marriage ended due to the death of the first wife & you don't know when she died, give an approximate date (year). Then you can give an approximate year for the second marriage & it will all be straightened out. Same thing if the first marriage ended in divorce since there's a date & "comment/location" thing for that. I had this problem too & it drove me up a wall until I figured it out. Sometimes I still forget to do the "ending status" thing, so whenever I have a person with 2 or more spouses I look at the outline descendant chart for that person to see if everybody is in the right order. Then I know where I've erred & what to fix. Hope you get it sorted out. :-) Gloria Scott In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:14:49 PM Central Standard Time, Dolluver01@aol.com writes: > I sure hope someone can help me on a question I have on Family Tree Maker > as > I can never get through to them to ask the ? Their help line always states > under construction. > > I have (2) spouses for a person and have them reversed and when I do the > report, it is putting the 1st spouse 2nd and the 2nd spouse 1st. How do > I > reverse this without changing everything in my data. I have tried > everything > and the help tutorial does not have the answer. I have also changed the > preferred spouse, but that doesn't help. > > Thank you > Linda

Please accept my apology. Linda

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C50275.CF7FDE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, FTM sorts wives by date of marriage. If you do not know these dates you can guestimate and enter the date using Appox before the date so that you will know that you are guessing and FTM will sort the earliest marriage as the first wife and the second wife as the later marriage. If you know the first wife's date of birth, add about 20 years and use that as your estimate. Second wife's date would be a little trickier. Without the dates it is probably sorting according to which one you entered into the database first. Jackie in Ga. Ky Surnames: Jackson, Brown, Woodson, Young, Saunders, Phipps, Cooper, Harrison, Coleman, LaVillian, Dupuy, Colyer, Crow, Day, Wells, Evans, Morgan, Kelly/Kelley, Jarrell, Hines, Adams, Cook IL Surnames: Snyder/Snider, Russell, Stewart, Tyner, Teasley, Ennis, Kirk, Henderson, Elliot, Spencer et al ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C50275.CF7FDE20 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment Reply-To: <ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> From: <Dolluver01@aol.com> To: <ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:12:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1d6.350d2d52.2f272f55@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1201 X-Originating-IP: [66.43.18.39] X-Original-Sender: Dolluver01@aol.com Mon Jan 24 22:12:47 2005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcUCnKgzJ17ASERwSAiBLYoU3wlY0Q== X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 X-Mailing-List: <ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/8212 X-Loop: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Ric, I am sorry, you got that impression and especially since I haven't given any data. I appreciate the help. Thank you, Linda ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and "spam" is posted on the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the list. Thank you for your cooperation. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C50275.CF7FDE20--

Ric, I am sorry, you got that impression and especially since I haven't given any data. I appreciate the help. Thank you, Linda

Yes, I have the child's b'date. Linda

Ric, I have the wives seperated, however, the first wife comes up second and the second wife comes up first when I do the report. I want to reverse this to read correctly and cannot figure this out or if Farmily Tree Maker will allow you to do this. I also have the child on the correct wife. Linda

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Ric, Yes, for one. Linda

Did it help? Were you able to get the wives in the proper order doing that? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dolluver01@aol.com To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy Ric, I am sorry, you got that impression and especially since I haven't given any data. I appreciate the help. Thank you, Linda ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and "spam" is posted on the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the list. Thank you for your cooperation. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I sure hope someone can help me on a question I have on Family Tree Maker as I can never get through to them to ask the ? Their help line always states under construction. I have (2) spouses for a person and have them reversed and when I do the report, it is putting the 1st spouse 2nd and the 2nd spouse 1st. How do I reverse this without changing everything in my data. I have tried everything and the help tutorial does not have the answer. I have also changed the preferred spouse, but that doesn't help. Thank you Linda

Linda, I'm only trying to help you here and you're acting like I might steal your data. If the child is from the first wife, the marriage of the second would be AFT. that date. If the child is from the second wife, the marriage of the first would be BEF that date. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dolluver01@aol.com To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy Yes, I have the child's b'date. Linda ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== Please remember when replying to a query REPLY TO THE LIST so your message goes out to the entire list. This will ensure that the information is archived, which may be of help to someone else in the future. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Do you have a birth date for the child? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dolluver01@aol.com To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy Ric, I have the wives seperated, however, the first wife comes up second and the second wife comes up first when I do the report. I want to reverse this to read correctly and cannot figure this out or if Farmily Tree Maker will allow you to do this. I also have the child on the correct wife. Linda ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== Instructions for UNSUBSCRIBING or changing your mode of subscription can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illinois/Illinoismailinglist3.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Determining which marriage the child came from, and if you have a birth date for the child, that could separate the wife. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dolluver01@aol.com To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy Ric, Yes, for one. Linda ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== If you don't know where or when, in Illinois, an event in your ancestor's life might have occurred, you might be able to find a clue in how to search for this information at the Illinois GenWeb Project's - Unknown IL Counties Web Site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilunknow/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Any children of the two marriages? Ric ----- Original Message ----- From: techy To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy do you have marriage dates for them? that used to be the determining factor for how they were listed. beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dolluver01@aol.com> To: <ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy >I sure hope someone can help me on a question I have on Family Tree Maker >as > I can never get through to them to ask the ? Their help line always > states > under construction. > > I have (2) spouses for a person and have them reversed and when I do the > report, it is putting the 1st spouse 2nd and the 2nd spouse 1st. How > do I > reverse this without changing everything in my data. I have tried > everything > and the help tutorial does not have the answer. I have also changed > the > preferred spouse, but that doesn't help. > > Thank you > Linda > > > ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== > IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and/or "spam" is posted on > the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this > happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the > list. Thank you for your cooperation. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and "spam" is posted on the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the list. Thank you for your cooperation. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

do you have marriage dates for them? that used to be the determining factor for how they were listed. beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dolluver01@aol.com> To: <ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [ILROOTS] Family Tree Maker genealogy >I sure hope someone can help me on a question I have on Family Tree Maker >as > I can never get through to them to ask the ? Their help line always > states > under construction. > > I have (2) spouses for a person and have them reversed and when I do the > report, it is putting the 1st spouse 2nd and the 2nd spouse 1st. How > do I > reverse this without changing everything in my data. I have tried > everything > and the help tutorial does not have the answer. I have also changed > the > preferred spouse, but that doesn't help. > > Thank you > Linda > > > ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== > IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and/or "spam" is posted on > the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this > happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the > list. Thank you for your cooperation. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Michael, Thank you for that info. Eldon -----Original Message----- From: Michael Neill [mailto:mjnrootdig@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:13 AM To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILROOTS] 1865 IL state census The Illinois State Archives will do lookups in this census via mail for free and the census is also available via the Family History Library. Good Luck. Michael On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:43:25 -0500, Eldon Wade <ewade@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Does anyone have access to the 1865 IL state census? > -- Michael John Neill Genealogy Computing Week--March 2005 http://www.rootdig.com/sandburg.html ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== Please remember when replying to a query REPLY TO THE LIST so your message goes out to the entire list. This will ensure that the information is archived, which may be of help to someone else in the future. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5687.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Karen, I found the obits of your Grandparents and Uncle Jons. I hope this helps. Barb 1961-02-21 Chicago Tribune (IL) Hagg Edition: Chicago Tribune Caroline Hagg of 4420 N Sawyer avenue, beloved wife of Lars E.; fond mother of Jons E. and Mildred I. Mc-Donough; grandmother of five; sister of John and Martha Ostlund. Funeral Thursday, 2 p.m., at Hursen chapel, 929 Belmont avenue. Interment Graceland. Record Number: 19610221dn070 1981-10-09 Chicago Tribune (IL) HAGG Edition: Chicago Tribune Jons E. Hagg (Swede), suddenly beloved son of Lars; loving husband of Lois, nee Torgerson; loving father of John (Cindy) and Karen; fond brother of Mildred (Pat) McDonough. Funeral services Saturday at 10 a.m. at Michaels Funeral Home, 800 S. Roselle Rd., Schaumburg (between Irving Park. & Higgins). Interment Irving Park. Cemetery. Visitation ater 5 p.m. Friday. 893-2900. Record Number: 19811009dn022 1982-06-19 Chicago Tribune (IL) HAGG Edition: Chicago Tribune Lars "Lou" Hagg, of Itasca, beloved husband of the late Caroline; dear father of Mildred McDonough and the late John and Jons; grandfather of five; great-grandfather of one. Services in-Simkins Funeral Home, 6251 Dempster Street, Morton Grove, Monday, 1 p.m. Interment Graceland. Visitation Sunday 3 to 9 p.m. YO5-2500. Record Number: 19820619dn005

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5687.1 Message Board Post: I just thought of something. Karolina was a patient in Elgin State Mental Hospital in the late 1950s. Those records are sealed. But I know my family held a funeral for her in Chicago. How can I get information from the State Hospital and why can I not find any record at all of her death on line? She had family. This is very frustrating.

For those of you who can't wait for the Illinois State Archives (they are behind with requests due to budget constraints) or are out of state, the Family History Library also has these censuses on microfilm through their interlibrary loan program. http://www.familysearch.org Michael -- Michael John Neill Genealogy Computing Week--March 2005 http://www.rootdig.com/sandburg.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5687 Message Board Post: I am looking for the exact date of death of my grandmother, Karolina (Lena) Augusta Hagg, nee Ostlund. I know she died in Elgin, IL probably in the last half of 1960. Her DOB is Sept. 20, 1891. Her husband's name was Lars Emil Hagg. Thank-you.