Hi Cris, You may not be doing anything wrong! They simply are not there. I tried several serarches with no hits as well. IL became a state in about 1817 and began recording marriages in 1825. But it was not until 1875 that they became somewhat regluarly recorded and and not until 1916 that recording was mandatory. A lot of marriages simply did not get recorded for a variety of reasons. I had great-great grandparents who married in 1858 but their marriage in 1858 was not recorded. Until 1879! So the registration showed the marriage as occuring in 1879. The likely explanation I was given is that the Justice of the Peace failed to record it. Maybe later, after he died, someone in the family decided to haul his records down to the courthouse. THEN they got recorded. I was told this was not an uncommon scenario. Bill in Denver

Hi Cris, I went to the Illinois cyberdrive site and input the basic of Fitzsimmons and statewide and yielded nothing and then input the first part of the name, which would be Fit (which would give you Fit, plus everything after that basic name), and found no Lawrence... Then I did the same for the full name Riley and Ril and found no Bridget. Next, I was curious as to whether Warren County even had ANY marriages from that time frame in the database. So I in put Fit.. Warren county and found none. But, I put in Ril - Warren County and found about a dozen Riley's, none of which were Bridget. But it did tell me that there were marriage records from as early as 1840 in the database (there were some from 1860, too). Are you sure that Lawrence went by that name and are you sure that Mary Riley wasn't married before? She may have went by either a different first name - or even a different last name. For example, my G Grandmothers name was Jeannette - but she went by the name of either "Bid" or "Nettie". Go figure... It could be that this document doesn't exist in the archives at all because of improper filing - or it may be sitting in a basement somewhere and not archived - or worse yet - was destroyed in a fire. If I were you I would call, not write, the county in question and tell them what you are looking for. They would be the best guides for you.

In this case, I would contact the Warren County Genealogical Society which has a nice collection at the Warren County Library in Monmouth. This is an active group with a sizeable collection of Warren County materials, which I have used before (I don't have time anymore though). There is information on Warren County research here: http://www.wcig.net/resources.htm Michael http://www.rootdig.com On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:55:03 -0800, crazyangel25@webtv.net <crazyangel25@webtv.net> wrote: > Hi List, > Im just getting around to some posts Ive saved the past week, been too > busy to really give them much time this week.. > I have tried the Illinois State Archives several times and have never > found anything for my greatgrandfather and ggrandmother Lawrence > FITZSIMMONS, and Bridget RILEY. Although I know for certain they were > married in Warren County in 1860. Am I doing something wrong when I get > there? I have followed the directions, Ive added the comma after the > name, Ive tried different spellings and different ways of searching, Ive > put things in and taken things out, but no matter what I always come up > with nothing. > The following is a post from Joan and I clicked on the links which bring > me to the same place but it still comes back with nothing.. > <snip>" > Try the Illinois State Archives online databases--a wealth of > information. > _http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html_ > (http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html) > Joan in Illinois " > > Cris > Atwater California > > ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== > IMPORTANT - Occasionally "off topic" messages and/or "spam" is posted on the Illinois Message Board which is gatewayed to this list. When this happens, PLEASE just hit your delete key. DO NOT send complaints to the list. Thank you for your cooperation. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > -- Michael John Neill Genealogy Computer Workshop-St. Charles, MO-April 2005 http://www.rootdig.com/scc2.html

Hi List, Im just getting around to some posts Ive saved the past week, been too busy to really give them much time this week.. I have tried the Illinois State Archives several times and have never found anything for my greatgrandfather and ggrandmother Lawrence FITZSIMMONS, and Bridget RILEY. Although I know for certain they were married in Warren County in 1860. Am I doing something wrong when I get there? I have followed the directions, Ive added the comma after the name, Ive tried different spellings and different ways of searching, Ive put things in and taken things out, but no matter what I always come up with nothing. The following is a post from Joan and I clicked on the links which bring me to the same place but it still comes back with nothing.. <snip>" Try the Illinois State Archives online databases--a wealth of information. _http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html_ (http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html) Joan in Illinois " Cris Atwater California

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5791.1 Message Board Post: You can try Molly Kennedy at mollx@hotmail.com. She charges $4.00 plus postage. Trying to email her, she seems to be able to help everyone.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5791 Message Board Post: Hi. I would like to Purchase so i can find out if DANIEL ENSTEN is an Ancester to me, it does look promising. The trouble is i cannot find a SITE that will accept my Australian Credit Card (OK if im American or Canadian). The info i have is DANIEL ENSTEN married ELIZA PICKLE on 29th september 1897 in COOK, Licence No 266360. They where still there in 1900 with a 1 year old Son GROVER. Please is there anyway i can purchase the Certificates to see if these are mine. Ray Ensten (Adelaide, Australia)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5790 Message Board Post: A man in Calif. ordered a death certificate from "the State" (I'm not sure where) rather than our local courthouse. In our county there are two distinct families who share the same surname. (One large group (residing mostly on the west side of the county) is definitely from England. Mr. California's group has been in the southeastern corner of the county since at least the late 1850's.) His brick wall was his ancestor (William b. 1836 IL) with the 1922 death certificate. 1880 census listed William's father as born in NC. No census record has given England. When Mr. Calif. scanned the death certificate to me, I was struck by the seeming difference in ink for England, which was given as the place of birth for William's father. William's age was given as 86 but in lighter print were the numbers 85 - 9 - 12 for the age. (The place of death corresponds with the obituaries and followups in both local papers. This is the right William for Mr. Calif.) SOOO, I took the dea! th certificate to the local courthouse to see if England and the numbers had been written with different ink or what. It just didn't look right. The helpful clerk checked the copy against the original, and when she returned, she said all she could tell me was that the information on the scanned copy didn't match the original that was in the Recorder's Office. (In our courthouse, the clerks aren't allowed to provide verbal information about what is on certificates.) Mr. Calif. is planning to order a copy of the original from the Recorder's Office, at the local county level where it originated. It is possible that someone at the county level back in the 1920's assumed that the deceased was a member of the English family and added the word to the copy that was sent to Springfield. I agree that it is great to save money but in this case it would have been worth it to order the certificate from the county level. (We hope this is an exception to the norm.) The plan is to ! continue to search for a link between William and the surname family t hat was in the southeastern part of the county and possibly the two counties that adjoin that corner. Hope this will help someone else. Kathleen (STANFIELD) COOK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson and Clark in IL, TN and TX Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5789 Message Board Post: Riley Johnson b:? Family bible: born in state of IL d:1872 IL or TN, killed by a falling tree. Parents & silbings of Riley unknown: Riley Johnson m: unknown children by Riley and unknown: John N Johnson b:1860 IL d:1829 Rockwall, TX death cert states father-Riley, mother-unknown, fathers place of birth-IL. Johns middle name was Newton but spelled many ways on census and death cert. Will or William b:? IL or TN d:? Will had 2 sons Carl & Herman or Hiram Johnson. My Aunt born 1915 was raised in Lamar Co, TX. She remembers Uncle Will and his sons. They lived in or near Rockwall, Lamar CO, Childress, Perryville or Pattonville TX 2nd marriage of Riley Johnson to Mary Clark b:1839 White CO, TN d:1928 Lamar Co, TX parents of Mary Clark (Luther & Susan(Whitefield) Clark). children of Riley and Mary: Melvin Edward Johnson b: April 1870 Illinois d: after 1930 Childress, TX. Riley Robertson Johnson b:9 April 1872 TN d:1956 TX (my grandfather) I can't find a marriage record of Riley & Mary 1868-1869 TN or IL. Mary was 31 yrs when Melvin was born. I can't find any reason for Mary to be in IL. Her parents and siblings lived in White CO, & Putnam Co, TN till their deaths. This leads me to beleive she met Riley in TN married in TN and then moved to Illinois and had Melvin. I think Riley was in TN with relatives after his first wife died, perhaps leaving his first 2 children with relatives. No proof of this. I can't find Riley Johnson and his sons Will and John N in IL or TN census 1850,1860,1870. Mary shows up in 1880 dist 8, Putnam Co, TN with Melvin 9 IL,IL,TN and Riley R 7 TN,IL,TN living with her sister Sarah Rowland as head of household. Did Riley and Mary move from IL to TN before he died in 1872? Did Mary move back to TN to have her baby after her husband Riley died? Does Rileys parents live in Illinois or TN. I'm searching for information on Riley Johnson, his first wife, son Will or William, Riley's parents & siblings. Any help finding traces of this family or a county in which to search would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Jenevia Lowery

Can you tell me where the siblings were born? As you must know by now, there are so many John Johnson's out there. In the 1870 census alone there are 697 in Illinois. My Johnson family had three, Jon, Johanness and John. It would help to know where they were born. I thought I'd start with the 1870 and move up to 1880 if they didn't appear. Have you searched the 1880 online at familysearch.com? Another great onliine database source is the Illinois State Archives. Joan in Illinois

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnson, Cardwell, Mahaney, Keith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5788 Message Board Post: Siblings Benjamin Johnson, John Johnson, Governor Johnson, and Hester Ann (Johnson) Cardwell reported to have moved from Jackson Co., TN to the state of IL sometime between 1862 and 1870. They were the children of David R Johnson and Edith E Mahaney. Records from the estate of their grandfather state they were residents of the state of IL in July 1871. Have no idea of the county name. Benjamin born circa 1836. Hester Ann born circa 1841. Daniel born circa 1838. James born 1844. John M born 1848. Not sure which son was called Governor. It would have been either Daniel or James. Benjamin was married and had two children by this time. His wife was Mary (Keith?) and their children were William and Hesterann. Any help finding traces of this family or a county in which to search would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5787 Message Board Post: Joseph L Allison,native american,possibly served in US Navy at Great Lakes in the 50's. Lived with Audrey Larson in Waukegan,Il Buff Court?Looking for cenus look up and or any imformation that can be found. They had a son,which they gave up for adoption. Child was given to couple in Waukegan,who adopted him...Because of Hertitage would like to find what we can about him....Please E-mail any imfo to me redhawk4502@hotmail.com Many Blessings

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Posey, Ramsden, Oliphant Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5786 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on my biological father Robert Posey. I have very limited information on him. My grandmother gave me what looks like a graduation photo with his name and a birthdate of Sept. 16, 1943. I understand he attended Prairie High School in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. He worked and met my mother, Judy Ramsden, at Sun-Mart in Cedar Rapids. He had two younger sisters, not sure of other possible siblings. At one time he lived in Marshalltown, Iowa. He married Beverly Oliphant. I also understand he died in a car accident. I would be grateful for any information. Thank you, Joy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5785 Message Board Post: Looking for information about Phillip Varney. I believe that he was born in Illinois, but not positive. He was born in 1901 and died in Highland Park Illinois in 1971. Married Vida H Campbell and lived in Chicago for a time and later remarried. He had a daughter named Norine Elizabeth Varney. Any information would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Allsion Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5784 Message Board Post: Seeking imfo in Joseph L Allsion , Lived with Audrey Larsen in 1950's in Waukegan,Bluff Court or Great Lakes Naval Base,If possible need cenus lookup 1950's.Maybe Navy Vet..proble Cherokee,dark skin and hair maybe even ojwiba...They had a son, that they gave up for adoption 1 yr after baby was born..Baby was born in Oct of 1951... Please help, Thanks

Susan: Did you go QHS or Notre Dame? I graduated from 1966. I went to High-Riverside elementary. I grew up on North 16th. I still have Family there. My brother does construction. Robert McKenzie Const. I have several nephews & nieces living there also. Jack L. McKenzie -----Original Message----- From: susanoliver34@hotmail.com [mailto:susanoliver34@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:05 PM To: ILROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILROOTS] Re: What County is Quincy Illinois in?? HELP! This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: adams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5774.2.1.1 Message Board Post: quincy,illinois adams county,is a georgious town,i was raised there. ==== ILROOTS Mailing List ==== Please remember when replying to a query REPLY TO THE LIST so your message goes out to the entire list. This will ensure that the information is archived, which may be of help to someone else in the future. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Saddler, Regnier, Tracy Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5758.2 Message Board Post: Hi, would you have Marvin Saddler in your genealogy. He was born Feb 23, 1929 and died circa 1965. He was married to Janice Patricia Regnier, daughter of Horace Emery Regnier and Ardath Elise Tracy from somewhere in Illinois (!) Ihave mentions of Marengo and Beaverville. I do not have the parents of Marvin. When he died Janice remarried to John Boulds.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Fh.2ADI/5782 Message Board Post: Since I moved to US. in '94, I am looking for Ms. or Mrs. Elena (do not remember her last name). We studied at Kiev University at Department of Roman & Germanic Languages & Literature (as future Interpreters and Translators in Languages ). Any one who has ANY info. about her, please contac me at yuriann@rcn.com. I know last time I spoke to her, she resided in Chicago, Il. Your help is very appreciated. Yuri

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Fh.2ADI/5780 Message Board Post: Around 1848 + or - a couple years a group of men including a Ben Jaquis and (unk) Lashbrook, headed to Calif to search for Gold.. I am looking for stories or information on that group.. Thanks

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Try the Illinois State Archives online databases--a wealth of information. _http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html_ (http://www.ilsos.net/GenealogyMWeb/globsrch.html) Joan in Illinois