I wouldn't have a clue on that one Albert, most states had more than one hospital. They ususally took care of the needs of the geographic area for their hospital. Makes sense though that if someone had family closer to one hospital than they would at another that they'd make allowances for that as patients always do better with family around to support them emotionally and otherwise. >From: "albertsu" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:53:15 -0700 > >Would Watertown be the likely place someone living nearby E. Dubuque, Jo >Daviess Co. would be sent if they were to be put in a 'state hospital'? >'Tis possible my deceased person may have moved to live near kids in E. >Dubuque, then for whatever reason was put in state hospital. Just >curious - but I doubt there were any hard and fast rules in the first >place... > > Thanks again to all of those who have offered background, opinions, and >other information. This has been an interesting exchange. >S Alberts [email protected] > > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this >list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times >of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

That's right plumb forgot about that big write up they had on him. Boy that's been a while had to have been in what 78-79? Still say it was the biggest mistake this country ever made. <shaking head> >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:45:43 EDT > >It was Gov. Thompson who made the dedcision to close most all the state >hospitals. > >I had moved with the husband to Germany after I had gotten my nursing >license, He got laid off from John Deere, and joined the Army, later moved >to Fla, >then got divorced, as we could not agree on too many things. > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post >your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa

Just responded to your other e mail Roberta, just send me your mother's full name and I'll include her in my list for look ups. I think it's been growin' a bit. :) >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: ILROCKIS-D Digest V03 #71 >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:11:22 EDT > >Linda......... > >I was wondering if perhaps you could do a couple of lookups in the >obituaries >for me also ? > >I am attempting to put together a family tree for the Gilmore and Harland >families. > >Thanks...... > >Roberta > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this >list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times >of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service FREE for one month. Limited time offer-- sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

It is possible, and also Galesburg Illinois Roberta

I was wondering if perhaps you could look up a couple of obituaries and deathe certificates for me, as I am working on my family tree. My mother died when I was 5 years old, he date of death is June 17 1957, at St. Anthony's Hospital in Rock Island. My grandfather is Orren Harland, who also died in Rock Island area, in 1959 era??? My father was Robert Edward Gilmore who died in October 15?? , 1984, could you look up a death certificate, does not have to be the official one, and the obituary. Could you possibly look up the obituaries and death certificates for me? Thanks so much in advance. Roberta Schatti

Roberta The next time I'm at the County Building in Rock Island I can ask them about both surnames. But for some years you can't do the research yourself as they already have that information on computer. Something to do with privacy act. They also have another rule and that's you have to be a family member to buy copies of these certificates and they have a form you have to fill out and sign. So in that vein I might not be of too much help to you. If they don't want to give me the information, then I'll get their extention number their at the county building so you can call them and order the certificates yourself. Just remember that if it's for anything on computer that they access for you then you have to have both birth and death date; same rule applies for marriage certificates. Obits we have free access to at the library, so yes I can see what I can do to help you there. Now just what would you be wanting here, actual copies made or just the content of the obit itself? I'll make note of the date and the page of the paper in case you decide you do want copies. Only time I choose to make a copy is if there's a picture with the obit. I take notes, and I also take a tape player with me, so I don't have to worry about not being able to read my own notes later. :) But I'm going to have to have your mother's full name if I'm going to find anything on her. :) With that, I'll do my best. Linda >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:59:25 EDT > >I was wondering if perhaps you could look up a couple of obituaries and >deathe certificates for me, as I am working on my family tree. > >My mother died when I was 5 years old, he date of death is June 17 1957, at >St. Anthony's Hospital in Rock Island. > >My grandfather is Orren Harland, who also died in Rock Island area, in 1959 >era??? > >My father was Robert Edward Gilmore who died in October 15?? , 1984, could >you look up a death certificate, does not have to be the official one, and >the >obituary. > >Could you possibly look up the obituaries and death certificates for me? > >Thanks so much in advance. > >Roberta Schatti > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >~ SUBJECT LINES ~ >Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The >4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com

Hello, My father was there for 8 years til he died in 1964. He had a stroke. I also was a nursing student there in 1973. It was used for diseases as was said alcholism and as one said for things doctors couldn't figure out how to cure.them. I have my father's death certificate and it has several things on it. Brenda Humphrey

Some of us were offered jobs at Galesburg, Il, at the other state hospital, but I chose not to go because I had 2 small children at the time, and the winter driving was going to be too rough on my family. I also applied at the prison, but had decided to not accept the position because of it being labeled as a minimum security prison, and could be changed to a maximum security prision at a later time. So, I collected unemployment, and then went to Black Hawk College in the nursing program, finished the program, and now live in Mass. That is the same thought we workers had about the patients that were there, they were sent to nursing homes and half way homes and group homes. Every once in a while we read where one of the former patients had died, probably from lonliness, or from their routine being upset, which they were all used to .

Such things really do force us to make some big decisions don't they? Sounds like you made all the right ones and things worked out for you and your family. So you're in Massachusettes now eh? Bet that was a bit of a change for ya from having lived in Illinois. But going to work for a prison, well that might have meant even a bigger adjustment. Don't blame you for not accepting that offer I was afraid of just that when they reported they were releasing all their patients. Folks do get used to their daily routines and seeing the same faces. Too much for some of them to cope with once they were forced too. Gotta wonder just who it was that made that decision, couldn't have had his heart where it should have been. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:40:55 EDT > >Some of us were offered jobs at Galesburg, Il, at the other state hospital, >but I chose not to go because I had 2 small children at the time, and the >winter driving was going to be too rough on my family. > >I also applied at the prison, but had decided to not accept the position >because of it being labeled as a minimum security prison, and could be >changed to >a maximum security prision at a later time. > >So, I collected unemployment, and then went to Black Hawk College in the >nursing program, finished the program, and now live in Mass. > >That is the same thought we workers had about the patients that were there, >they were sent to nursing homes and half way homes and group homes. > >Every once in a while we read where one of the former patients had died, >probably from lonliness, or from their routine being upset, which they were >all >used to . > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post >your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

In a message dated 9/21/2003 11:22:05 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: If the John Deere company paid to move these people, wouldn't they have some kind of records? I am not sure about Deere and Company doing it. The name of the Corporation is Deere and Company and the place called John Deere Company was only a small branch office in the town of Moline.Therefore, I doubt that there are any records at all. As my husband is a volunteer researcher at the Rock Island County Historical Society we have gone through this same discussion many times during the past six years. No records available anyplace here but it could be possible that something could be found in Illinois State Archives and that is call IRAD. There is a website for it but don't have it marked.

In a message dated 9/21/2003 7:22:44 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just a note, back then INSANE was a label applied to conditions that doctors couldn't cure. Such as Alcoholism, Depression, Etc Thanks for the reminder and yes you are correct.

They didn't go in to all the particular, just mentioned that John Deere had taken on the expense. They didn't have any idea how many folks had been moved either, but it would be interesting to find out just what all occurred there. So yes if I get the time I may just make a point of doing this. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:59:05 EDT > >In a message dated 9/21/2003 11:22:05 AM Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: >If the John Deere company paid to move these people, wouldn't they have >some >kind of records? >I am not sure about Deere and Company doing it. The name of the >Corporation >is Deere and Company and the place called John Deere Company was only a >small >branch office in the town of Moline.Therefore, I doubt that there are any >records at all. As my husband is a volunteer researcher at the Rock Island >County >Historical Society we have gone through this same discussion many times >during the past six years. No records available anyplace here but it could >be >possible that something could be found in Illinois State Archives and that >is call >IRAD. There is a website for it but don't have it marked. > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ >Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. >Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

Would Watertown be the likely place someone living nearby E. Dubuque, Jo Daviess Co. would be sent if they were to be put in a 'state hospital'? 'Tis possible my deceased person may have moved to live near kids in E. Dubuque, then for whatever reason was put in state hospital. Just curious - but I doubt there were any hard and fast rules in the first place... Thanks again to all of those who have offered background, opinions, and other information. This has been an interesting exchange. S Alberts [email protected]

I used to work at the East Moline State Hospital before it closed and turned into a prison. Roberta Schatti

Hey Roberta they had a lot of employees right, so what happened did they make sure to help folks find new jobs? I remember thinking at the time how this was probably not the best thing to be doing, just looked like it would leave a lot of folks needing that kind of care out in the streets without help. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:00:31 EDT > >I used to work at the East Moline State Hospital before it closed and >turned >into a prison. > >Roberta Schatti > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >~ SUBJECT LINES ~ >Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The >4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

I tried to get information from the records at the Watertown Hospital, but they did not send. On the death certificate for Paulina Mohr Dunker it stated she died there. I did find that she was there from a Court Certificate of Guardianship which stated "Conservator/Guardian Elizabeth Sheley for Paulina Dunker, insane person, July 1916". She was widow of Civil War Vet, so had most of this info in the pension records also. Pat

If the John Deere company paid to move these people, wouldn't they have some kind of records? Cathy

Well I guess I opened up a big can of worms here trying to be helpful, won't make that mistake again. lol But then folks take things so literally like it was gospel or something these days and I'm gonna have to remember that. I did say that I'd heard there was a new building where they had consolidated records for the surrounding areas and that I would try to check this out for someone if I didn't have any luck at the library looking for the surname requested. It was just my way of saying I wouldn't stop at just doing a check at the library and if there was a new source for information like I'd heard then I would check up on things there too. Now, that I've confused everyone, for which I'm sorry. I will say no more. :) >From: "theresa" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:38:56 -0400 > >I must say, this whole topic is VERY confusing for one reading it and not >living in the Rock Island area......I cannot determine which of you is >correct or if I am just not understanding the messages. Is there actually >a new building? Has the Rock Island Historical Building acquired new >microfilms and documents and relocated them from the Library into their own >building? Is the Library next door to the Rock Island Historical Building >and now they are working together? Is the Rock Island Historical Building >in the same building as the Library? As you can see I am quite confused as >all of the above questions relate directly to conclusions I have come to >from the variety of e-mails responding the the statement that there is a >new >museum or geneology based structure in Moline. > I suspect if I am confused others are also. I would like to know >how >to access these documents, newspapers, etc. Which address and building name >does one write to. I intend on visiting in the next year and would like >to >know if these are two separate locations or one? > Thanks, Theresa >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:16 AM >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) > > > > The address of the Rock Island County Historical Society is 822 - 11th > > Avenue, Moline. It has been there for many years. They just recently >acquired the > > Genealogy Section of the Moline Public Library. They have many old >newspapers > > including the Port Byron Globe, Census on microfilm, biographies, >Marriage > > Records from 1833 to 1900, Cemetery Readings, City Directories, 40,500 >names in > > their obituary database, Civil War Records and many other records of >Rock >Island > > County. > > > > Bev > > > > > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > > Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in your > > wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to > > browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ >-- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

Yes and historically it's been said that some communities that didn't have an orphanage also sent their foundlings there to be cared for, and parents who couldn't or didn't care to put up with an unruly child did the same thing. Children with speech impetiments were also included, thought at that time to be mentally deficient. >From: Robert D Anderson <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Watertown St Hosp - type of hospital? >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 05:20:48 -0700 > >"It was a hospital for the Mentally ill and way back then they use the >word "insane". " > >Hi, >Just a note, back then INSANE was a label applied to conditions that >doctors couldn't cure. >Such as Alcoholism, Depression, Etc. >Bob > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this >list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times >of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

Shouldn't have been I was just passing information I'd been given, which included an address and I even elaborated saying I didn't know if this was the same place as the one that was behind Butterworth Center that was also mentioned. Guess that happens when you try to be helpful, ya get misunderstood. :) >From: "Jackie Withrow" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) >Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:55:04 -0500 > >As far as I know there is no new museum. There is the Rock Island >Historical >Society located behind the Butterworth Center in Moline, IL. It consists of >an old house which has been turned into a museum and a newer section >holding >all old records, newspapers, etc. I was just there recently. They recently >moved all old records from the Moline Public Library to the Rock Island >Historical Society. I hope this is clear for you. The messages were very >confusing. > >Jackie >----- Original Message ----- >From: "theresa" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:38 AM >Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) > > > > I must say, this whole topic is VERY confusing for one reading it and >not > > living in the Rock Island area......I cannot determine which of you is > > correct or if I am just not understanding the messages. Is there >actually > > a new building? Has the Rock Island Historical Building acquired new > > microfilms and documents and relocated them from the Library into their >own > > building? Is the Library next door to the Rock Island Historical >Building > > and now they are working together? Is the Rock Island Historical >Building > > in the same building as the Library? As you can see I am quite confused >as > > all of the above questions relate directly to conclusions I have come to > > from the variety of e-mails responding the the statement that there is a >new > > museum or geneology based structure in Moline. > > I suspect if I am confused others are also. I would like to know >how > > to access these documents, newspapers, etc. Which address and building >name > > does one write to. I intend on visiting in the next year and would >like >to > > know if these are two separate locations or one? > > Thanks, Theresa > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [RockIsl'd] Re: older newspapers (Plus ? museum) > > > > > > > The address of the Rock Island County Historical Society is 822 - 11th > > > Avenue, Moline. It has been there for many years. They just recently > > acquired the > > > Genealogy Section of the Moline Public Library. They have many old > > newspapers > > > including the Port Byron Globe, Census on microfilm, biographies, >Marriage > > > Records from 1833 to 1900, Cemetery Readings, City Directories, 40,500 > > names in > > > their obituary database, Civil War Records and many other records of >Rock > > Island > > > County. > > > > > > Bev > > > > > > > > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > > > Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in >your > > > wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there >to > > > browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > > ~*~*~*~ The Resources in the USGenWeb's Parade of States Awaits! ~*~*~*~ > > -- Table of all States: http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== >~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ >Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. >Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com