Diane I have written to 2 Lutheran Churches and neither have not answered. Do you have a secret to get them to answer or is it just luck. Sally

I think the original question was how they would get from Maryland to Rock Island County in 1888 which was 30 years after there was a railroad, but the many replies regarding the pre-railroad transportation are interesting for the variations they show. I'll throw out some things for others to correct and add to. I believe the Dunlap expedition which came to lower Rock Island County in 1835 originally came by horseback. Some of them returned to Pennsylvania the following year to get their families, and this time they hired a flatboat to take them from Pennsylvania down the Ohio and then went up the Mississippi to what is now Andalusia by something called a pole boat. Apparently the pole boat used man power (men on the boat pushing poles into the river bed???) to get upstream on the Mississippi. Does anyone have good information on pole boats? The rapids above Rock Island were a barrier to river traffic above Arsenal Island upstream. Seems that in spite of that there is the story of Col. George Davenport piloting a boat through the rapids which were 12 miles long?? Someone probably has the accurate facts on the length of the rapids and how many hours it took him to get through them. Getting a boat through the rapids apparently could be done, but I don't suppose pioneers had access to this mode of transportation. That probably would have been reserved to boats taking supplies to army forts farther upstream??...Merriel

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A1A3E0A7172ED2C744F1DF24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Lutheran church was very good at keeping records. If you contacted them, they could probably tell you exactly where they were from and which children made up the family. If any of them died young, they might also have records of them. Diana RyanBuild@aol.com wrote: > My Trefz Family is from Rock Island, IL from 1854 Germany to Rock > Island > If anyone has a similar family line or any info to add please contact me - > I have some very unanswered questions > > The Mother Katharine Trefz out lived the Dad (Christoph) Both were from > Germany > > Katharine (Manheim)Trefz - > DB Mar 22 1821 - Germany Came over in 1854 with Husband > DD Apr 27 1893 - Rock Island, Il > Buried Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery > > I have a copy of her Will/ Probate and Per Her Will Jan. 1893--- I have > children on the will I cannot find or changed name or something / Very Stuck > and Confused. > > See Jacob Vs William Trefz > > Jacob Trefz Not on Moms Will but still living / > DB:1853 Germany > Came to US in 1854 > DD:11-14-1922 Rock Island, IL Say' on DC > Married Otilda Schmale per Marriage Cert. Nov 26 1876 #9833 > Death Cert Show Wife as Shophia Schmale- > > William Trefz > 1858 - 1904 Per Head Stone at Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery > On the Ancestry.com Rock Island & Moline, IL directories 1882-1892 the > following info is listed. > > William and Jacob William. confuse me greatly not sure if one in the > same or two diffrent people. > > (Christoph Oldest son was Execturo of Will Jacob would be second son due to > records from Germany to USA and other two born here.) > > William and Jacob very well could be same person the one this that throws a > kink in everything is that William Trefz was Burined at Immanuel Lutheran and > I wrote to them and they did not have a record but said the Headstones were > correct - which would mean dates don't match - also no Headstone found for > Jacob yet was to be bureid German Luthern on 11/17/1922 in Rock Island. > unertaker Harry Knox. > > Jacob Trefz Birth Dec 20 1853 Germany (2xConfirmed) > Death: Nov 14 1922 > Buried Immenual Lutheran Cemetery - Confirmed Per death > Cert but not found in a cemetery.____ > Have Death Cert. and > Listed as Married and Wife Sophia Trefz Have Copy of > Registar > Death Cert of Sophia show's last name of schmale > Yet - Married Otilda Schmale per Marriage Record / Nov 26 > 1876 > Cert. #9833 > Death Cert Show Wife as Shophia Schmale- > > Listed on Rock Island & Moline, IL Directoreis 1882-92 on > Ancestry.com > Jacob Wm. / Teamster/ 1913 Fourth Ave. 1885-88 > > Children: ?? > > William Trefz Birth 1858 > Death 1904 > Birth & Death per Cemetery of Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery > no written confirmation - wrote to cemetery and all they said was yes my info > was correct. ??? > Could anyone double check this for me ???? > > Listed on Rock Ilsand & Moline, IL Dirct. of 1891/92on > Ancestry.com > as J.W. Tefz /Confectionery store 2223 4th ave > also Miss Sohie Schmale of W. Trefz & Co. 2223 4th Ave > 1891,1892 > also William Trefz W. Trefz & Co. 2223 4th Ave 1891-92 > also William Trefz and Miss Sophie Schmale > Confectonery at 2223 4th Ave 1891/92 > > Otilida (schmale) Trefz > Birth Date:1858 > Death: 1904 > Info of B&D Per Cemetery no record real record > Buriel: Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery - contacted only info > yes their. > with William and Sophia > Married per registar record to Jacob William Trefz 1876 > > Sophia (schmale) Trefz > Birth Oct 24th 1861 > Death Oct 31 1928 > Buriel: Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery - contacted only info > yes their. > with William and Ottilda > Father Henry Schmale / Mother Anna Zismer - Germany 2 > Husband William Trefz > Have Death Cert - > > Otilda died and Jacob William remarried to Sophia ? possiblly married a > sister. > > > Henry Trefz: Listed on Will of C. Trefz > Cannot Find or Confirm that was a son > BD > DD > > Henry Trefz: GrandChild of C. Trefz > Son of Christof and Emila > Born 1879-1927 > (Married Mollie) > > Also Listed on Will Grandchildren > Who are parents - ?????? > > Mom Mrs. AW Helliwell > > Bessie Trefz - > Paid Legacy in full on Nov 1903 monies paid to Bessie due to 18 years > of age per probate records > Bessie then would have been born in > 1885 > > George Trefz- > Died prior to time to recieve money/ money was paid to PC O > 'Donnell unertaker for expenses. Paid March 6 1900 - Have info but > not confirmed > Per Cook County death index George L. Freftz Nov 4. 1899 at 15 years of age > ID#0000019137 which would be close to a match. Paid out due to death before > age of 21. - Sending for Death record in Cook. > > The Mother of George Trefz and Bessie sent a letter Dated June 11, 1898 that > George was very Ill and asking to send the money in case of death. Her name > was > Mrs. A.W. Helliwell This is my confirmation of there mother and place at > time > 6229 Sarigaruow SE > Englewood, IL > > If anyone can add any advice or help on this it would be much appreciated - > > CR > Ozarks > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > You can search the surname or county mail list msgs here: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > For Rock Island County, enter the word ilrockis. > Find the names of other maillists to search: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ -- Diana J. 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Hi all, I am new to the list and am looking for information on Rolla Acel Timmons. He was in Big Rock around the 1900. My grandmother Beatrice, was born in Big Rock in 1921. I know that Rolla work for the railroad and was born on 2-6- 1898 in Oxley ,MO and died 2-3-1965 in Chicago a the Central Railroad Hospital.He married Bessie Flanigan in 1915 and had 8 children. He later married Margaret Nelson. He lived most of his life in Centralia,IL. Cant find much more on him would like to have parents,etc. Anything would be helpful. Thanks Tammy Miller

My Trefz Family is from Rock Island, IL from 1854 Germany to Rock Island If anyone has a similar family line or any info to add please contact me - I have some very unanswered questions The Mother Katharine Trefz out lived the Dad (Christoph) Both were from Germany Katharine (Manheim)Trefz - DB Mar 22 1821 - Germany Came over in 1854 with Husband DD Apr 27 1893 - Rock Island, Il Buried Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery I have a copy of her Will/ Probate and Per Her Will Jan. 1893--- I have children on the will I cannot find or changed name or something / Very Stuck and Confused. See Jacob Vs William Trefz Jacob Trefz Not on Moms Will but still living / DB:1853 Germany Came to US in 1854 DD:11-14-1922 Rock Island, IL Say' on DC Married Otilda Schmale per Marriage Cert. Nov 26 1876 #9833 Death Cert Show Wife as Shophia Schmale- William Trefz 1858 - 1904 Per Head Stone at Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery On the Ancestry.com Rock Island & Moline, IL directories 1882-1892 the following info is listed. William and Jacob William. confuse me greatly not sure if one in the same or two diffrent people. (Christoph Oldest son was Execturo of Will Jacob would be second son due to records from Germany to USA and other two born here.) William and Jacob very well could be same person the one this that throws a kink in everything is that William Trefz was Burined at Immanuel Lutheran and I wrote to them and they did not have a record but said the Headstones were correct - which would mean dates don't match - also no Headstone found for Jacob yet was to be bureid German Luthern on 11/17/1922 in Rock Island. unertaker Harry Knox. Jacob Trefz Birth Dec 20 1853 Germany (2xConfirmed) Death: Nov 14 1922 Buried Immenual Lutheran Cemetery - Confirmed Per death Cert but not found in a cemetery.____ Have Death Cert. and Listed as Married and Wife Sophia Trefz Have Copy of Registar Death Cert of Sophia show's last name of schmale Yet - Married Otilda Schmale per Marriage Record / Nov 26 1876 Cert. #9833 Death Cert Show Wife as Shophia Schmale- Listed on Rock Island & Moline, IL Directoreis 1882-92 on Ancestry.com Jacob Wm. / Teamster/ 1913 Fourth Ave. 1885-88 Children: ?? William Trefz Birth 1858 Death 1904 Birth & Death per Cemetery of Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery no written confirmation - wrote to cemetery and all they said was yes my info was correct. ??? Could anyone double check this for me ???? Listed on Rock Ilsand & Moline, IL Dirct. of 1891/92on Ancestry.com as J.W. Tefz /Confectionery store 2223 4th ave also Miss Sohie Schmale of W. Trefz & Co. 2223 4th Ave 1891,1892 also William Trefz W. Trefz & Co. 2223 4th Ave 1891-92 also William Trefz and Miss Sophie Schmale Confectonery at 2223 4th Ave 1891/92 Otilida (schmale) Trefz Birth Date:1858 Death: 1904 Info of B&D Per Cemetery no record real record Buriel: Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery - contacted only info yes their. with William and Sophia Married per registar record to Jacob William Trefz 1876 Sophia (schmale) Trefz Birth Oct 24th 1861 Death Oct 31 1928 Buriel: Immanuel Lutheran Cemetery - contacted only info yes their. with William and Ottilda Father Henry Schmale / Mother Anna Zismer - Germany 2 Husband William Trefz Have Death Cert - Otilda died and Jacob William remarried to Sophia ? possiblly married a sister. Henry Trefz: Listed on Will of C. Trefz Cannot Find or Confirm that was a son BD DD Henry Trefz: GrandChild of C. Trefz Son of Christof and Emila Born 1879-1927 (Married Mollie) Also Listed on Will Grandchildren Who are parents - ?????? Mom Mrs. AW Helliwell Bessie Trefz - Paid Legacy in full on Nov 1903 monies paid to Bessie due to 18 years of age per probate records Bessie then would have been born in 1885 George Trefz- Died prior to time to recieve money/ money was paid to PC O 'Donnell unertaker for expenses. Paid March 6 1900 - Have info but not confirmed Per Cook County death index George L. Freftz Nov 4. 1899 at 15 years of age ID#0000019137 which would be close to a match. Paid out due to death before age of 21. - Sending for Death record in Cook. The Mother of George Trefz and Bessie sent a letter Dated June 11, 1898 that George was very Ill and asking to send the money in case of death. Her name was Mrs. A.W. Helliwell This is my confirmation of there mother and place at time 6229 Sarigaruow SE Englewood, IL If anyone can add any advice or help on this it would be much appreciated - CR Ozarks

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------249A8DB8B206ADD534617CFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The train didn't get to Rock Island until 1854. The people who came to Cordova came by wagon train. :-) straight west from Ohio. Either that, or they came 'down' the river from Dubuque. I know that sounds odd, but Fort Prairie Duschene, Wisconsin was one of the earliest forts from the 1700s at the top of the Mississippi River. There was quite a contingent there and people once there, spread down into Galena, and then down to Savannah and Cordova. I've tripped across many a Byer tombstone in the Cordova cemetery, having grown up there till I was about 10. 99% of the people buried there are related to me, some way or the other. I have a cemetery listing if you ever need it. My own ancestor, Claus Heinrich Moeller (Miller) came in 1860 and Hans Paulsen Hansen and Iver Carstensen joined him nearby within a year or so. The Miller's once owned Cherryldale farm, now known as the "Saddle Club." I have an intersting old photo of a family reunion of the Miller/Carstensen/Hansen clan taken in 1900 in front of the Saddle Club. If I can ever be of assistance in the Cordova area, let me know. Just curious, does anyone have a copy of the Cordova History written back in the 60s or 70s by a woman in Cordova? I had one and lost it long ago. The story of the settlers is in that. Diana Hanson-Muir (gd of Homer Miller and Amelia Hansen) The "Susie-Q" for Sunday Boat Races!!! C Byers wrote: > Hi, > > several of my ancestors arrived in Cardova in the 1830's and my great > grandfather arrived there in 1852/3. I'm not sure how he got there, but am > curious about the train. Which train was it, where did it go, etc. > > Carol > Gilroy, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Diana Muir <dmuir@intelligented.com> > To: <ILROCKIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [ILROCKIS-L] Tranportation to Rock Island Co > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > The train reached Rock Island in 1854. > > > > > > Diana > > > > Kathryn Jennings wrote: > > > > > Sharon and Merriel: > > > > > > Horse and wagon is also a consideration in 1840-50's, as families > > > probably had household goods they could not transport on a train > > > or by ship. > > > > > > My own ancestor, Ezbon ALLEN, came by horseback from Indiana in > > > 1842, a single man whose possessions would be scant. The KELLY > > > and O'MARA families came to Rock Island in 1850's from Lancaster Co, > > > PA. I assume they came by horse/wagon, maybe with a trip down a > > > river, when possible, to the next point where they could continue > > > land travel. > > > > > > Kathryn Jennings > > > > > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Rock Island County ILGenWeb home page! > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html/ > > > > -- > > Diana J. Muir, Ph.D. > > ******************************************* > > What good is magic if it can't save a unicorn? > > ******************************************* > > Professional Educator and Genealogist > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~genclass/ > > > > > > --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F > > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > > name="dmuir.vcf" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: Card for Diana Muir > > Content-Disposition: attachment; > > filename="dmuir.vcf" > > > > begin:vcard > > n:Muir;Diana > > tel;cell:319-621-5827 > > tel;fax:678-795-0925 > > tel;home:678-795-0925 > > tel;work:770-518-4800 > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > url:http://www.intelligented.com/ > > org:Intelligent Education;Curriculum Development > > version:2.1 > > email;internet:dmuir@intelligented.com > > title:Dr. > > adr;quoted-printable:;;1175 Grimes Bridge Road=0D=0ASuite > 100-A;Roswell;GA;30076;USA > > fn:Diana Muir > > end:vcard > > > > --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F-- > > -- Diana J. Muir, Ph.D. ******************************************* What good is magic if it can't save a unicorn? ******************************************* Professional Educator and Genealogist http://www.rootsweb.com/~genclass/ --------------249A8DB8B206ADD534617CFB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmuir.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Diana Muir Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmuir.vcf" begin:vcard n:Muir;Diana tel;cell:319-621-5827 tel;fax:678-795-0925 tel;home:678-795-0925 tel;work:770-518-4800 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.intelligented.com/ org:Intelligent Education;Curriculum Development version:2.1 email;internet:dmuir@intelligented.com title:Dr. adr;quoted-printable:;;1175 Grimes Bridge Road=0D=0ASuite 100-A;Roswell;GA;30076;USA fn:Diana Muir end:vcard --------------249A8DB8B206ADD534617CFB--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The train reached Rock Island in 1854. Diana Kathryn Jennings wrote: > Sharon and Merriel: > > Horse and wagon is also a consideration in 1840-50's, as families > probably had household goods they could not transport on a train > or by ship. > > My own ancestor, Ezbon ALLEN, came by horseback from Indiana in > 1842, a single man whose possessions would be scant. The KELLY > and O'MARA families came to Rock Island in 1850's from Lancaster Co, > PA. I assume they came by horse/wagon, maybe with a trip down a > river, when possible, to the next point where they could continue > land travel. > > Kathryn Jennings > > ==== ILROCKIS Mailing List ==== > Visit the Rock Island County ILGenWeb home page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html/ -- Diana J. Muir, Ph.D. ******************************************* What good is magic if it can't save a unicorn? ******************************************* Professional Educator and Genealogist http://www.rootsweb.com/~genclass/ --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmuir.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Diana Muir Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmuir.vcf" begin:vcard n:Muir;Diana tel;cell:319-621-5827 tel;fax:678-795-0925 tel;home:678-795-0925 tel;work:770-518-4800 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.intelligented.com/ org:Intelligent Education;Curriculum Development version:2.1 email;internet:dmuir@intelligented.com title:Dr. adr;quoted-printable:;;1175 Grimes Bridge Road=0D=0ASuite 100-A;Roswell;GA;30076;USA fn:Diana Muir end:vcard --------------F5F7D6EC8370C51B19AA735F--

Sharon and Merriel: Horse and wagon is also a consideration in 1840-50's, as families probably had household goods they could not transport on a train or by ship. My own ancestor, Ezbon ALLEN, came by horseback from Indiana in 1842, a single man whose possessions would be scant. The KELLY and O'MARA families came to Rock Island in 1850's from Lancaster Co, PA. I assume they came by horse/wagon, maybe with a trip down a river, when possible, to the next point where they could continue land travel. Kathryn Jennings

Dear Sharon: Many did come from Europe through New Orleans and up the Mississippi in the 1840's and 1850's, but I think the question was regarding an 1888 migration from Maryland. By that time the railroad was well established through Rock Island and across the Mississippi west. I would certainly consider that route. My grandmother came from ireland to Philadelphia in 1886 and then to Rock Island County. I do not know how she got there, but I know it was not via New Orleans and the Mississippi. I have always supposed railroad. Merriel

Dear Sharon: Perhaps by railroad?

My family arrived in Maryland from Bremen, Germany-- in 1888,how would most families travel or get from there to the quad cities? Sharon in CT

Am working on collateral lines of my FRENCH line. Would be interested if anyone has additional information on the following: Winfield Emery Martin, son of Henry Leonard Martin (1870-1950) and Florence E. French (1874-1949), married Ida VandeVoorde (date and place unknown). I have their two children as being Carroll MARTIN and Berniece MARTIN (birthdates and places unknown). Henry (aka as Len Martin) and Florence French Martin are buried in the Illinois City Cemetery, Rock Island County, Illinois. Thank you. Audrey Cox Vogelpohl Seattle, Washington ------ Family research on: Chidester, Christian, Christoffer, Cox, Daub, Ellsworth, French, Harms, Moon, Schmiginsky, Sherry and Vogelpohl

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Listers: Is anyone researching the following who were in Rock Island County from about 1845 to 1900 (dates vary for each family). I am looking for descendants of the following: Levi JONES - at Rural Twp, Rock Island Co. in 1850 census (related names are NORMAN, VALENTINE) S.C. COX - at Rock Island, Knox or Henry Cos by 1858 (believed related to Levi JONES) Ezbon ALLEN - at Rural Twp, Rock Island Co. from 1842 John and Michael KELLY at Edgington, Rock Island Co. from 1853 Catherine O'MARA at Edgington, Rock Island Co. from 1857 (related names are BALLARD and BAKER) I would be pleased to hear from anyone interested in these families and to exchange information. Kathryn Jennings

Hi All, I want to take the time to wish all of you and your families a very happy Thanksgiving. I am doing a little better but may have to have back surgery. My Dorsel Column Stimulator (an implant in the spine that stimulates the nerves in my legs) has stopped working. They think it might have been pulled away from the spine in the car accident, and they may not be able to fix it. It is too old. 1989. Anyway I am just very thankful for the things I do have and the friends and family that I have met on this list. I hope you all have a very happy holiday. For those of you who are on the Rock Island and Hancock list. I apologize for you getting this message twice. All my love Shawnnee

Surnames: CONNER TUBBS GOODRICH RUSSELL MORAN MORTEL Submitter: Paula Petersen (DblD118@aol.com) Date: 20 Nov 2000

In a 1909 Rock Island Directory one of my people is said to work at Reservoir Park, does anyone have any information on this place? Sharon in CT

As I read various postings I wonder where one gets naturalization info, I have none for any of my people. I guess I need a little lesson. Thank you Sharon in CT

Hi How I can know who are the persons with the name of Spriet how are bury at Saint Mary's Cemetery The first died 16 September 1913 Place of Interment section D Block 7 Grave 55 lot Book Page 127 Interment book Page 97 The other died 6 Februar 1914 Place of Interment section C Block 38 Lot 1 Grave 1. >From both was no relative or friend marked Thanks for any help Christiane

This is my first post so hope I am sending correctly. re: Rock Island City Directories At one time the downtown Davenport Iowa Public library had the City Directories of this area in their Archives for the 1950's but I am not sure how many previous years they go back. I was also not aware that the Rock Island Historical Society has the directories on microfilm. Thank you Ruth for that tip. Kathy Jared