Does anybody know of someone who restores old gravestones? Madonna Davis Marks [email protected]

In the 1930 census, my Dad, Fred Wittenbrink, lived on Turkey Bluff Road. At the end of the listing of family members, two boarders are listed. An 8 year old girl named M. Cartney or McCarty or McCartney is listed. Can anyone tell me who this might be? I have no idea. This is a few years before I was born. The census taker certainly did not know how to spell or write because even the names of my brothers and sisters are poorly done. My parents were always good about taking in people in need, so maybe they kept someone who was needy. No one in the family can figure this person out. Thanks for you help. Velda Wittenbrink Moore Randolph County Genealogical Society visit: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrcgs/

All of good will, After reading my Email this AM, it is apparent that some comment needs to be made regarding preparation of useful quires. A simple review of prepared postings for WHO, WHAT, WHERE and WHEN should indicate if the reader of the posting can understand and respond meaningfully to your request. We tend to assume that others are on the same level of interest as we are and are as knowledgeable. In most cases the reader needs to be brought up to speed before he/she can be of help which we want to be. WHO, WHAT, WHERE and WHEN will help a lot. Please help us help you. Best regards and Seasons Greetings Hugh

I asked you to go to the website of Randolph County Genealogical Society to see about our new book done by June James: St. Peter Lutheran Church early church records. It is a wonderful book if your ancestors were Lutheran and lived in the area of Evansville, IL. It only costs $12.00 plus .75 tax and $2.00 shipping and handling. Because my Father and his family lived in this area and were Lutheran, I am thrilled. It contains baptisms, confirmations, marriages, and death information. It is NOW on our website. Please take a look. Or if you want to know if your relatives are listed in the book, write to me. Velda Wittenbrink Moore Randolph County Genealogical Society visit: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrcgs/

All, My SMOCK research queries has produced a very beneficial as well as abundant response from many people. I have tried to respond to every correspondent. If I missed you, it was not an intentional act, but just that I was overwhelmed at times. The issue of all the names of the children of C. SMOCK of USC 1810 Randolph Co., IL Terr. remains a mystery as does the name associated with the C. of C. SMOCK. Best regards, Hugh

June James has finished the church records for St. Peter Lutheran Church of Evansville, IL with all proceeds going to Randolph County Genealogical Society. These are early church records from 1871 - 1959 containing Baptisms, Confirmations, Marriages, & Deaths. Volunteers do these books to give money to support RCGS. If your relatives were Lutheran and from the Evansville, IL area, send me an email and I will tell you if your relative's information is contained in this book. Go to the URL below my signature and you can see what other books are available from RCGS. The prices and taxes and shipping & handling are included with this information. Keep looking at our website often. More books come out as often as we can get them done. If you have any questions, please ask. Velda Wittenbrink Moore Randolph County Genealogical Society visit: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrcgs/

Need a Census look up in the 1830 Pope Co., IL Census.for Sarah SMOCK (Widow) I have misplaced my Census extract of Sarah and family. I need the enumeration with age categories. Could use some help here. Best regards, Hugh

<[email protected]>looking for- Nancy (Smock) HUGHES m. John DAVIS Nancy born c1819, probably in Pope Co., IL Parents of Nancy SMOCK unknown. Best regards, Hugh

All, Does anyone know the origin of Co. D, 48 KY Infantry of CW time frame. Was it a Federal/Union/USA unit or Confederate/CSA unit? In what area was it recruited? My Thomas SMOCK, b. 1821, IL served in this KY unit. I'm not sure just why since there were IL units (Union) formed from his home area of Cave in Rock, Hardin Co., IL. If he wanted to serve in the CSA, then the KY enlistment makes some sense. Would appreciate being educated about Co. D, 48 KY Infantry. Best regards, Hugh

Deborah, I am also researching an Anderson Family in Randolph County. The family of Jacob and Julia (Huston) Anderson came from Ohio in 1834/35 and were there at least through about 1900. I have one girl, Julia, that was a daughter of Samuel F., the son of Jacob. My Julia was born in Ohio in 1848 and I have been trying to find out if she might be the one that married William ALLEN. I do not have any of the other names you mentioned. Let's compare notes. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: DEBORAH PITEZEL <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: [ILRANDOL] Anderson/Huff/Wolf/Doolin/Allen > > I'm researching the family of Rev Noble ANDERSON who was a Primative Baptist minister in Randolph County and adjourning areas. I don't think he had his own church but he did travel around and marry people. He is listed on the 1850 and 1860 census for Randolph County and may been born as early as 1800. He may have relocated to the Chicago area in his later years. He had a daughter named Martha who first married Andrew DOOLIN then Henry WOLF. She moved to Marissa, IL. A son, James Harvey Anderson, my line, married a Rachel HUFF and had around 10 children. There are more children listed on the census Carroll, Thomas, Julia Ann, and George W. There is a Julia Ann Anderson who married a William ALLEN in 1865 > > Would like to hear from anyone tracing these families > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm researching the family of Rev Noble ANDERSON who was a Primative Baptist minister in Randolph County and adjourning areas. I don't think he had his own church but he did travel around and marry people. He is listed on the 1850 and 1860 census for Randolph County and may been born as early as 1800. He may have relocated to the Chicago area in his later years. He had a daughter named Martha who first married Andrew DOOLIN then Henry WOLF. She moved to Marissa, IL. A son, James Harvey Anderson, my line, married a Rachel HUFF and had around 10 children. There are more children listed on the census Carroll, Thomas, Julia Ann, and George W. There is a Julia Ann Anderson who married a William ALLEN in 1865 Would like to hear from anyone tracing these families

Of Pope and Hardin Co., IL -Madison (Martin Madison) SMOCK, b. 1836 AR, m. Lavinia HOLLOMAN -Nancy SMOCK/HUGHES, b. 31 Jan 1819, m. John DAVIS -Thomas SMOCK, b. 29 May 1821 IL, m1. Unk, m2. Mary SIMMONS I have no parents for the above three. Given that there was one large SMOCK family in Southern IL in 1810 (USC 1810 Randolph Co., IL Terr.) and the family descendants stayed in the area well after 1900, it is reasonable to assume that all subsequent SMOCK families were derived from the initial settlers, C. and Sarah (?) SMOCK. Of the six male children in 1810 only three are known, Hiram (1800 KY), Barney (1808) and Alfred (1810). There were five female children of whom the two youngest, Matilda and Nelly are known. This leaves three males and three females unknown. By the USC 1820 Pope Co., IL C. SMOCK had died, and Sarah , Widow SMOCK, was head of household. The males in her household had grown to ten while the females were reduced to two. Among the males there were two born after the 1810 census, while the remainder, eight, included Hiram, Barney and Alfred, were old enough to be in the 1810 census. Of these, five were unknown and two were additions to the previous census. The addition of older household members suggests that they were new husbands of SMOCK women or they were boarders and not SMOCK related. One insight maybe the IL State Census of 1818 in which Widow SMOCK had a family of nine including herself. Of the eight household members one was an adult and seven minors (<16). Since Hiram was b. 1800 he would be 18 and the adult. Leaving seven minors of whom we can identify four-Barney, Alfred, Matilda, and Nelly. This leaves three unknown household members. Chances are that these were males considering the distribution of the 1810 census. With three unknown SMOCK males in 1818 the identity of the parents of the original unplaced SMOCKs-Madison, Nancy and Thomas-may well rest with these unknown males. Looking for SMOCK families in the 1830 time frame, aside from Sarah in Pope Co., IL, there were in AR Alfred (single), Casper (married), and Barret (married). Subsequent census in IL show that Barney SMOCK had children born in AR which indicated that Barret was in fact Barney/Barent who returned to IL by 1840. Alfred returned to IL to marry in 1832. There is no further info on Casper. Best regards, Hugh

>>>Apparently, the fee for non-certified death certificates is now $10..... <A HREF="http://www.idph.state.il.us/vital/forms/deathhow.htm">HOW TO OBTAIN A CERTIFIED COPY OF AN ILLINOIS DEATH RECORD</A> http://www.idph.state.il.us/vital/forms/deathhow.htm Death records are not public records and only are available to those who have a personal or property right interest with the decedent. If you are not the spouse or parent of the deceased person, a letter or document from the office or agency that needs the death certificate must accompany the request. In order to obtain a certified copy of a death record, complete the Application for search of death record files, 57K, available in PDF format from this server, or send a signed request that includes the following information: The decedent's full name The date of death The city and county of death, if known The parent(s) name The fee for a certified copy is $17. The fee for a non-certified, genealogical copy is $10. Deaths must have occurred 20 years prior to the written request in order to be considered as a genealogical search.

I just received this from another maillist. "Illinois State Archives has stopped sending out free death certificates  as of 15 November 2002. They will honor all requests that were made up to that point in time." http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/idphdeathindex.html List manager for: [email protected] <A HREF="http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl">RootsWeb Mailing List Search: ILRANDOL</A> David McKELVEY [email protected] Note: Unless told otherwise, sharing information with me is okay to share with others. Let's keep Genealogy FREE.

In a message dated 11/29/02 6:40:47 PM, [email protected] writes: << Thomas J. Smock family shows up in the 1900 and also in the 1910 Livingston Co. Census. [Thomas Jerry SMOCK, s/o Thomas and Mary (Simmons) SMOCK of Hardin Co., IL. He married May Lilian Evertson.] Calvin Smock married Catherine Bailey on 21 May 1860 according to Livingston Co. Marriages 1839-1871. [s/o Barney SMOCK and first wife. Catherine BAILEY was a widow who brought 2 BAILEY children to the marriage with Calvin.] Baby boy born Feb 1893 in Livingston Co, to Fransis (Frances?) M. Smock and A.J. Gipson. Liv. Co. Birth Records 1852-1908. [This new to me. Thomas and Mary (Simmons) SMOCK had a child, Frances, who could be the same.] Aaron T. Smock born 5 Oct 1901 to Thomas Smock and Mary L. Evertson, Livingston Co. [s/o Thomas Jerry and May Lilian Evertson SMOCK.] Goldie Green Smock born 2 Jan 1908 to T.J. Smock and May [d/o Thomas Jerry and May Lilian Evertson SMOCK.] This is all I could find on the Smock's>> ___________ Mary, In [] above I show what info I have. Thanks for the significant input. Best regards, Hugh

I have just read on the BELT web site <www.microforce.com/default.htm> that the area of Cave in Rock was something of an outlaw hideaway. As this is the case, at least at one time in the history of the area, the activity must have been known to the local population, even if they did not participate. My SMOCKs were in this area from before 1808 to at least 1900. They lived on the Ohio River in Cave in Rock, IL. Yet the history of the area as written by Belt does not reference them. I am curious as to the SMOCK's occupation and activity and, specifically, the identity of one C. SMOCK who came to the area before 1808. He died before 1816 leaving a widow and large family. His wife/widow was Sarah, and known surviving children: Hiram, Barney, Alfred, Nelly, and Matilda. Since Hiram was born in 1800 KY (USC 1850 Hardin Co., IL) and Barney in 1808 IL, it is presumed that these dates bracket the arrival of this SMOCK family in IL. The daughters married a PALMER and a FAIRCHILD, while the sons married a WILKERSON and a HUGHES. There is evidence that Barney, Alfred and a Casper SMOCK were in AR in 1830. Barney started a family there, while Alfred returned to IL to marry in 1832. Barney subsequently returned to IL by 1840 as he was on the IL census of that year. There is no further info on Casper. In 1850 a new name was introduced, Thomas SMOCK. Thomas was born 1821 in Cave in Rock, Pope Co., IL. His parents are unknown although there was only one SMOCK family in Pope Co. in 1820, that of Widow (Sarah) SMOCK. Thomas who would have been 9 in 1830 does not appear in the only SMOCK family of the census of that year nor in the 1840 census as a 19 year old in any of the three SMOCK families or as an independent. At 28 he appears in the census of 1850 with three young children, but no wife. The 1850 Mortuary Schedule of Hardin Co., IL carried the January death of Polly SMOCK, 21, married, who is presumed to be Thomas' wife. In 1850 Hiram and Alfred are still in Hardin Co., while Barney had moved to Pulaski Co., IL nearby. They all had families and by 1860 their children began to appear in the records. Some of them are difficult to place. There is no evidence that another SMOCK family moved into the area. Aside from Thomas, b. 1821, there is a Martin Madison SMOCK, b. 1836 and two James SMOCKs who remain unplaced among others. Madison SMOCK was born in AR, thus he is associated with Barney who started a family while in AR, however the linkage is not established. We know that Madison married in 1856 in Hardin Co., IL and served in the CW in an IL regiment. Madison is not found again until the 1880 Census in Hardin Co., IL. Since Livingston Co., KY is across the river from Hardin Co., IL it maybe that some SMOCKs moved to or married in KY. This needs investigation. Best regards, Hugh

Hi, Could someone please look up Robert Pierson in the 1870 Randolph Co census? His wife will be Margaret. Thank you, Connie

I'm researching the Gendron family from Kaskaskia Island. Cyprian (Sip) Gendron is listed in the 1883 Patrons List, History of Randolph, Monroe, and Perry County. Does anyone own a copy of this book, or have access to see if there is a biography? It lists his first wife as Genevieve Buatte, second wife Mary Page. He is found in the 1880 and the 1900 census, the only one's I have been able to access so far. His children in the 1880 census are listed as Alexander L., age 9, Sarah, age 11, Lolie E. age 2, and Mary L. age 9 months. I don't know for sure, but suspect that the child Alexander L. is my husband's great grandfather. "My" Alexander married Ellen Barnes, also in Kaskaskia. Does anyone have any information on this family? I would appreciate any and all help! Also.....where is the best library to do research on this area? Thank you! Lisa Gendron

--part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj03.mail.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ31-1118172719; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:27:19 -0500 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ51-1118172714; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:27:14 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAIMR2J8014635; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:27:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:27:02 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Mon Nov 18 15:27:02 2002 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:26:53 EST Subject: Thomas SMOCK of Cave in Rock, Hardin Co., IL USC 1850 Old-To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/171 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Thomas SMOCK is the only SMOCK in southern IL in 1850 who is not connected to a family. According to his tombstone Thomas was born in 1821 and died 07 Jul 1902 , Cave in Rock, IL. He served in the CW in the 9th IL Infantry. Thomas married twice. His first wife, Polly, died 1850 who gave him three children. The second wife was Mary SIMMONS who produced 5 children. The SMOCKs in Hardin Co., IL in 1840 were Hiram (b. 1800 KY), Barney (b. 1808 IL) and Alfred (b. 1810 IL). They were brothers, sons of C. (Cornelius?) and Sarah SMOCK. Only Hiram would be old enough in 1821 to be a candidate as Thomas' father. The only marriage found for Hiram is in 1837. In the USC 1840 Hiram's mother, Sarah, is in his household as is the oldest male (5-10) who is too young to be Thomas (then 19). The children in Barney's and Alfred's families are all under the age of 10. So there is no trace of Thomas among the SMOCKs in 1840, though he shows up with a family in 1850. Of course, I am looking for the connection which will identify Thomas with his parents. Best regards, Hugh ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --part1_171.1750f3d5.2b0bd884_boundary--

In 2001, I discovered a poem in the handwriting of my great, great grandfather, Joseph D. Whitson,.of Jackson County, IL. He served in Company H of the 27th IL Inf. during the Civil War. The poem was attributed to Mr. George W. Cross of Company G (Mercer Co., Illinois) of the 27th. The document was in very poor condition when I found it, having been folded many times and stuffed in my great grandmother, Pruella Whitson Richardson's, famiy bible for Lord knows how long. Through the help of some friends, the document has been restored. It is still in bad condition but at least it's now completely readable. The poem is about the Battle of Belmont, Missouri which took place in May of 1861. I hope everyone enjoys reading it as much as I enjoyed discovering it. The Battle of Belmont By G. W. Cross Company G, 27th IL Volunteer Infantry Came all my friends both far and near A song I'll sing for volunteer And also for the timid ones That stay home in sixty one. The best of our men are far away Drilling and maneuvering every day To learn to whip the southern hounds And make their rebel kingdom sound. On the Seventh of November, Sixty One The battle we fought and victory won Twas on that day we did them haunt And took their cannon at Belmont. Our Colonel was as brave a man As ever in battle did command For thru the fight that lasted long We cheered the 27th on. The fight that day began at ten Our force was twenty eight hundred men And ere that night we did return Their property and tents did burn. We fought them hard from ten till four And many a poor man we passed o'er But could not stop to ease his pain For on we went victory to gain. Hot was the fight that day with all For many a brave man there did fall And as the dead and wounded fell Huzza, my boys were going well. The balls flew hot and fast around When Lieutenant Lytle their flag hauled down And when it fell, we gave three cheers For all the union volunteers. And on that night when we returned On board the Tyler an' Lexington Kind were the men with their scant fare And passed the water everywhere. The men on these boats so true Should be remembered by all of you For their kindness to us that night May God assist them in every fight. And when they are sent down the river They'll make the Southern rebels quiver For shot and shell that day will fall Till loud for quarters they will call. On that these days were fast and gone Contented would I end my song And on my couch would repose And pray to God to save my foes. This song is credited to G. (George) W. Cross. A handwritten transcript was done by my great, great grandfather, Joseph D. Whitson on an unknown date. Joseph served in Company H of the same Infantry unit. The document was found in 2001 in my great grandmother, Pruella Whitson Richardson's family bible. Mary Riseling, November 18, 2002