I too have been looking for Joiners, Here is what I have on the Joiners of Southern Illinois in my data file Although some of the Joiners married into the Ledbetter family, I am trying to put this together. I have no connection at this time in my data file, although yesterday, I was reading documents and found one or more Ledbetter and Joiner couples together. As I am just getting started on this article, and was only highlighting my interest, I did not take notes. When I get back to the article, I will make notes as to relationships. Descendants of George Joiner 1 George Joiner 1885 - 1959 .. +Hattie Mae Ledbetter 1889 - ......... 2 Marion Joiner ......... 2 Curtis Joiner ......... 2 John Henry Joiner ......... 2 Golda Joiner ......... 2 Dorothy Joiner ......... 2 Lloyd Joiner ......... 2 Mary Joiner ......... 2 Katherine Joiner ......... 2 Alberta Joiner ......... 2 George Joiner ......... 2 [2] Wanda Joiner 1930 - ............. +Charles Kenneth Vinyard ......... *2nd Husband of [2] Wanda Joiner: ............. +James Shewmaher - 1995 -----Original Message----- From: Laura1853 <Laura1853@aol.com> To: ilpope-l@rootsweb.com <ilpope-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 10:19 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Joyner/Joiner surname :Any information on the Joyner/ Joiner surname in the Illinois area. : :