Thanks for your reply, but I think this is quite strange or more confusing as for Elizabeth's maiden name. One, there were no HOBBS in the IL territory for the 1807 census. But there was a John Barnett along w/the Rose's!!! Confusing to say the least!!! The Hobbs don't show up until the 1830 census for Pope Co. and their names were Christopher & Isaac. On the LDS site there is a Elizabeth Barnett whose father is listed as a John Barnett, she was born in 1785, KY, which I was told from the Johnson mailing list, that on the 1860 mortality schedule this list her place of birth. So far its not making sense to me that her maiden name was Hobbs when there weren't any in Southern IL until 1830. Thanx for the new info on the Whiteside. If I learn anything new on this I'll be sure to let you know. I plan on researching this more til it does make better sense to me. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "cswr" <cswr@earthlink.net> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE Here are two Whiteside/Rose connections in my data. (I am related through my HOLLOWAY branch that married into WHITESIDE family several times.) A. Milo Simpson Grant WHITESIDE & Amilda Ann "Milda" ROSE, marr 1894 Eddyville, Pope Co, IL, Bk A-1, pg 202, #1819 by J.B.Whiteside, M.G.; witness: Eva Maynor & Genry (Henry?) Gilbert at Wiley Rose residence **Double wedding ceremony w/ sister, Cora ROSE. B. Elizabeth HOBBS ROSE, marr James Armstrong Whitesides b. 1782 VA or NC his 1st marr 1803: Margaret PENNEY - they had 6 children, Pope Co, IL 2nd wife 1816: Elizabeth HOBBS-ROSE, "a widow" - they had 6 children, Pope Co, IL **James, Margaret and Elizabeth are buried in a private cemetery on the home farm, 2 1/2 miles south of Eddyville, IL, near New Liberty Church. ---a little WHITESIDE history: James, with his family came to Pope County about 1810-1812, bringing several slaves that were indentured to him when Illinois became a free state. Some stayed with him until his death (1848) and later formed a black settlement West of Eddyville, IL. James, his brother John, Adam McGhee, Lincoln Harper, Robert PENNEY and others started a settlement a few miles south of Eddyville, near New Liberty Church. When Illinois became a state, James served in the house of Representatives through several sessions, and also in the Senate. He was appointed as Captain of the Fourth Regiment of Illinois Militia on May 27, 1812. The WHITESIDES came originally from Ireland in the early 1700s, and settled in the Virginia Counties of Rockbridge and Augusta. James A. (born 1760 VA) was the son of Moses WHITESIDE. This James also had a son, James Armstrong, born about 1782 - the above subject. (*note source for above: "History and Families, 1816-1986, Pope County, IL" by Pope County Historical Society.) Turner Publishers, Paducah, KY. 42001 Sorry, I dont have any info / data on BARNETT. It appears that Elizabeth's maiden name is HOBBS, that she married a ROSE, became widowed and married WHITESIDE. Donna Payo wrote: >Heelo List, > >I'm hoping someone can help with some confusion about the ROSE/WHITESIDE family. I am related thru Edmond Rose and Elizabeth? thru their daughter Mary "Polly" who married James Grissom. > >Now my confusion goes as to what Elizabeth's maiden was. I've seen some trees have her as HOBBS, & some info has her as BARNETT. I've also seen this on the LDS site. Is it the same Elizabeth or are they referring to two different women here!!! Confused??!!! I see from the LDS site that she married James A. Whiteside in 1816 but I've also seen her name as BARNETT and HOBBS/ROSE. Can anyone clarify this for me?? > >Thanks well in advance > >Donna > > > >

I am not trying to discount the Mormon Church, however, be VERY cautious when you read information in their files that does NOT make sense to you. Someone put information about my grandfather in the LDS files which stated he and his wife had only ONE daughter, Mary. My grandparents NEVER had a child named Mary, but they are both buried next to their daughter-in-law Mary at Rock Springs Cemetery. Perhaps someone made the assumption Mary was their daughter because she had the same last name and was very young and she was buried next to them. She died in childbirth. Sharon Guynn Wiley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Payo" <donnap@wi.rr.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE > Thanks for your reply, but I think this is quite strange or more confusing > as for Elizabeth's maiden name. > > One, there were no HOBBS in the IL territory for the 1807 census. But there > was a John Barnett along w/the Rose's!!! Confusing to say the least!!! > The Hobbs don't show up until the 1830 census for Pope Co. and their names > were Christopher & Isaac. > On the LDS site there is a Elizabeth Barnett whose father is listed as a > John Barnett, she was born in 1785, KY, which I was told from the Johnson > mailing list, that on the 1860 mortality schedule this list her place of > birth. > So far its not making sense to me that her maiden name was Hobbs when there > weren't any in Southern IL until 1830. > Thanx for the new info on the Whiteside. > If I learn anything new on this I'll be sure to let you know. I plan on > researching this more til it does make better sense to me. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cswr" <cswr@earthlink.net> > To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE > > > Here are two Whiteside/Rose connections in my data. (I am related > through my > HOLLOWAY branch that married into WHITESIDE family several times.) > > A. Milo Simpson Grant WHITESIDE & Amilda Ann "Milda" ROSE, marr 1894 > Eddyville, Pope Co, IL, Bk A-1, pg 202, #1819 by J.B.Whiteside, > M.G.; witness: Eva Maynor & Genry (Henry?) > Gilbert at Wiley Rose residence **Double wedding ceremony w/ sister, > Cora ROSE. > > > B. Elizabeth HOBBS ROSE, marr James Armstrong Whitesides b. 1782 VA or NC > his 1st marr 1803: Margaret PENNEY - they had 6 children, Pope Co, IL > 2nd wife 1816: Elizabeth HOBBS-ROSE, "a widow" - they had 6 children, > Pope Co, IL > **James, Margaret and Elizabeth are buried in a private cemetery on the > home farm, > 2 1/2 miles south of Eddyville, IL, near New Liberty Church. > > ---a little WHITESIDE history: > > James, with his family came to Pope County about 1810-1812, bringing > several slaves that were > indentured to him when Illinois became a free state. Some stayed with > him until his death (1848) > and later formed a black settlement West of Eddyville, IL. > > James, his brother John, Adam McGhee, Lincoln Harper, Robert PENNEY and > others started a settlement > a few miles south of Eddyville, near New Liberty Church. When Illinois > became a state, James served > in the house of Representatives through several sessions, and also in > the Senate. He was appointed > as Captain of the Fourth Regiment of Illinois Militia on May 27, 1812. > > The WHITESIDES came originally from Ireland in the early 1700s, and > settled in the Virginia > Counties of Rockbridge and Augusta. James A. (born 1760 VA) was the son > of Moses WHITESIDE. > This James also had a son, James Armstrong, born about 1782 - the above > subject. > > (*note source for above: "History and Families, 1816-1986, Pope County, > IL" by Pope County > Historical Society.) Turner Publishers, Paducah, KY. 42001 > > Sorry, I dont have any info / data on BARNETT. It appears > that Elizabeth's maiden name is > HOBBS, that she married a ROSE, became widowed and married WHITESIDE. > > > > Donna Payo wrote: > > >Heelo List, > > > >I'm hoping someone can help with some confusion about the ROSE/WHITESIDE > family. I am related thru Edmond Rose and Elizabeth? thru their daughter > Mary "Polly" who married James Grissom. > > > >Now my confusion goes as to what Elizabeth's maiden was. I've seen some > trees have her as HOBBS, & some info has her as BARNETT. I've also seen this > on the LDS site. Is it the same Elizabeth or are they referring to two > different women here!!! Confused??!!! I see from the LDS site that she > married James A. Whiteside in 1816 but I've also seen her name as BARNETT > and HOBBS/ROSE. Can anyone clarify this for me?? > > > >Thanks well in advance > > > >Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 > >

Just a note here about the LDS files. The LDS organization makes no attempt whatever to verify the accuracy of information submitted to them and no representation that such "trees" are correct. They simply see themselves as compilers of reports, and family trees submitted to them are reports. In my own family I've found some very confused and inaccurate family trees and family histories compiled from the confused memories of the elderly. Of course, censuses have inaccuracies too. I've found it's best to try to compile data from a variety of sources and keep an open mind. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Wiley" <swiley@visuallink.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE >I am not trying to discount the Mormon Church, however, be VERY cautious > when you read information in their files that does NOT make sense to you. > Someone put information about my grandfather in the LDS files which stated > he and his wife had only ONE daughter, Mary. My grandparents NEVER had a > child named Mary, but they are both buried next to their daughter-in-law > Mary at Rock Springs Cemetery. Perhaps someone made the assumption Mary > was > their daughter because she had the same last name and was very young and > she > was buried next to them. She died in childbirth. > Sharon Guynn Wiley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Payo" <donnap@wi.rr.com> > To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE > > >> Thanks for your reply, but I think this is quite strange or more >> confusing >> as for Elizabeth's maiden name. >> >> One, there were no HOBBS in the IL territory for the 1807 census. But > there >> was a John Barnett along w/the Rose's!!! Confusing to say the least!!! >> The Hobbs don't show up until the 1830 census for Pope Co. and their >> names >> were Christopher & Isaac. >> On the LDS site there is a Elizabeth Barnett whose father is listed as a >> John Barnett, she was born in 1785, KY, which I was told from the Johnson >> mailing list, that on the 1860 mortality schedule this list her place of >> birth. >> So far its not making sense to me that her maiden name was Hobbs when > there >> weren't any in Southern IL until 1830. >> Thanx for the new info on the Whiteside. >> If I learn anything new on this I'll be sure to let you know. I plan on >> researching this more til it does make better sense to me. >> >> Donna >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "cswr" <cswr@earthlink.net> >> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] ROSE/WHITESIDE >> >> >> Here are two Whiteside/Rose connections in my data. (I am related >> through my >> HOLLOWAY branch that married into WHITESIDE family several times.) >> >> A. Milo Simpson Grant WHITESIDE & Amilda Ann "Milda" ROSE, marr 1894 >> Eddyville, Pope Co, IL, Bk A-1, pg 202, #1819 by J.B.Whiteside, >> M.G.; witness: Eva Maynor & Genry (Henry?) >> Gilbert at Wiley Rose residence **Double wedding ceremony w/ sister, >> Cora ROSE. >> >> >> B. Elizabeth HOBBS ROSE, marr James Armstrong Whitesides b. 1782 VA or NC >> his 1st marr 1803: Margaret PENNEY - they had 6 children, Pope Co, IL >> 2nd wife 1816: Elizabeth HOBBS-ROSE, "a widow" - they had 6 children, >> Pope Co, IL >> **James, Margaret and Elizabeth are buried in a private cemetery on the >> home farm, >> 2 1/2 miles south of Eddyville, IL, near New Liberty Church. >> >> ---a little WHITESIDE history: >> >> James, with his family came to Pope County about 1810-1812, bringing >> several slaves that were >> indentured to him when Illinois became a free state. Some stayed with >> him until his death (1848) >> and later formed a black settlement West of Eddyville, IL. >> >> James, his brother John, Adam McGhee, Lincoln Harper, Robert PENNEY and >> others started a settlement >> a few miles south of Eddyville, near New Liberty Church. When Illinois >> became a state, James served >> in the house of Representatives through several sessions, and also in >> the Senate. He was appointed >> as Captain of the Fourth Regiment of Illinois Militia on May 27, 1812. >> >> The WHITESIDES came originally from Ireland in the early 1700s, and >> settled in the Virginia >> Counties of Rockbridge and Augusta. James A. (born 1760 VA) was the son >> of Moses WHITESIDE. >> This James also had a son, James Armstrong, born about 1782 - the above >> subject. >> >> (*note source for above: "History and Families, 1816-1986, Pope County, >> IL" by Pope County >> Historical Society.) Turner Publishers, Paducah, KY. 42001 >> >> Sorry, I dont have any info / data on BARNETT. It appears >> that Elizabeth's maiden name is >> HOBBS, that she married a ROSE, became widowed and married WHITESIDE. >> >> >> >> Donna Payo wrote: >> >> >Heelo List, >> > >> >I'm hoping someone can help with some confusion about the ROSE/WHITESIDE >> family. I am related thru Edmond Rose and Elizabeth? thru their >> daughter >> Mary "Polly" who married James Grissom. >> > >> >Now my confusion goes as to what Elizabeth's maiden was. I've seen some >> trees have her as HOBBS, & some info has her as BARNETT. I've also seen > this >> on the LDS site. Is it the same Elizabeth or are they referring to two >> different women here!!! Confused??!!! I see from the LDS site that she >> married James A. Whiteside in 1816 but I've also seen her name as BARNETT >> and HOBBS/ROSE. Can anyone clarify this for me?? >> > >> >Thanks well in advance >> > >> >Donna >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 >> >> > >

Judy Armstrong wrote: > Just a note here about the LDS files. The LDS organization makes no > attempt whatever to verify the accuracy of information submitted to > them and no representation that such "trees" are correct. They simply > see themselves as compilers of reports, and family trees submitted to > them are reports. In my own family I've found some very confused and > inaccurate family trees and family histories compiled from the > confused memories of the elderly. Of course, censuses have > inaccuracies too. I've found it's best to try to compile data from a > variety of sources and keep an open mind. > > Judy I do know that the DAR does not take those files as proof.