Barney, thank you for that bit of information on Pope County...a big help to me. Sandra

Barney, The book is called "Walking on Hot Cinders, Memories of Reevesville, Illinois in the 1930's and 1940's". It is available from the Johnson County Genealogical and Historical Society. http://johnsoncountyil.net/books.html Susan

Thanks Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <jamlsh@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Anyone who can go and talk... > Barney, > > The book is called "Walking on Hot Cinders, Memories of Reevesville, > Illinois > in the 1930's and 1940's". It is available from the Johnson County > Genealogical and Historical Society. > > http://johnsoncountyil.net/books.html > > Susan > > >

There is also the three volumes of Herald Enterprise abstracts published by Bonnie Skaggs. They run from Dec 1917 to June 1923. http://www.angelfire.com/il/bbskaggs/ Susan

In a message dated 9/14/2005 2:13:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamlsh@aol.com writes: lol. You have to know the difference between the black top and the hard top when it comes to roads down there. Hard top refers to the highway and black top to the asphalt roads. You are right, I still call the road from Vienna to Simpson the "Simpson Blacktop" Linda in TN

In a message dated 9/14/2005 2:11:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, ktlkate@extremezone.com writes: Linda (I guess I'm now officially an old duffer) <grin> And I'm not upset in the least - just amused. I just celebrated my 63rd birthday! Consider me in that category as I turn 60 today. Both are kids were born in Mesa, AZ Linda in Tn

Sandra, I don't know, but I'll certainly ask her. I'll be taking her to get her hair done tomorrow and I'll ask her then. Suzanne

And what about the State-Aid roads? We had some of those in Effingham County (just a bit further north)...... But I have ties to Vienna........the Melvin family. Linda (in Arizona) -----Original Message----- From: WXFORDS@aol.com [mailto:WXFORDS@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:29 AM To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Anyone who can go and talk... In a message dated 9/14/2005 2:13:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamlsh@aol.com writes: lol. You have to know the difference between the black top and the hard top when it comes to roads down there. Hard top refers to the highway and black top to the asphalt roads. You are right, I still call the road from Vienna to Simpson the "Simpson Blacktop" Linda in TN

1926 is the earliest published thus far. Faye Bowman fayebow@shawneelink.net http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ -----Original Message----- From: Judy Armstrong [mailto:judy@armstrongs.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:56 PM To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Faye, how far back do you have the obituaries? My Wagoner family left Pope and Saline counties for Missouri in the early 1900s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Bowman" <fayebow@shawneelink.net> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. > Hi, > I published an indexed book of the obituaries from the 1926-1927 > Herald-Enterprise microfilm. > > Also, the Herald -Enterprise's 1928 Obituaries and Mildred McCormick's > news items for the year 1928 have been indexed and published. > > Both books are dedicated to Pope County's great historian, Mildred > McCormick. > > If anyone is interested in obtaining these books or other obituary > books, please e-mail me. > > Faye Bowman > fayebow@shawneelink.net > http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ > > > > >

Please ask him if he remembers a family named McCready? Sometimes spelled McRiddy and McCritty. Thank you. Arnell Nightingale

Do you have any information on Nathan McCready son of Clarinda Fox McCready? Thanks.

Hi, I published an indexed book of the obituaries from the 1926-1927 Herald-Enterprise microfilm. Also, the Herald -Enterprise's 1928 Obituaries and Mildred McCormick's news items for the year 1928 have been indexed and published. Both books are dedicated to Pope County's great historian, Mildred McCormick. If anyone is interested in obtaining these books or other obituary books, please e-mail me. Faye Bowman fayebow@shawneelink.net http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/

Faye, how far back do you have the obituaries? My Wagoner family left Pope and Saline counties for Missouri in the early 1900s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Bowman" <fayebow@shawneelink.net> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. > Hi, > I published an indexed book of the obituaries from the 1926-1927 > Herald-Enterprise microfilm. > > Also, the Herald -Enterprise's 1928 Obituaries and Mildred McCormick's > news items for the year 1928 have been indexed and published. > > Both books are dedicated to Pope County's great historian, Mildred > McCormick. > > If anyone is interested in obtaining these books or other obituary > books, please e-mail me. > > Faye Bowman > fayebow@shawneelink.net > http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ > > > > >

Suzanne, does your mother remember any Ingrams, Smiths, Huggins in the Pope/Saline area? Thanks, Sandra

Susan, My grandmother, Opal Ingram was born in Stonefort in 1903. She always said it was in Pope County but what I find in research is in Saline County....the family was also listed in the Saline County Census. Her siblings were: Fred Ingram, Della, Dessie, Clyde and Claude (twins boy & girl but I do not know which was which) and then Opal the youngest. Their parents were JohnWilliam Ingram (not to be confused with John Wesley Ingram...not my line but in the same area) and Nora Smith Ingram. John Ingram supposedly died when dragged to death by a team of mules before my grandmother was born. She was born in Nov...and I am assuming he was plowing in the spring...I find no record of his death or burial. I would assumed that it would have been news at the time back then.John W. Ingram was born Sept 1871 so he would have only been 32 or so when he died. John Ingram's parents were Frank/Franklin Ingram (not to be confused with Francis Marion Ingram...not my line but also in the same area) and Martha Huggins. Nora Smith's parents were: Giles Smith and Vida Ferrell Nora's siblings were: 2 brothers....Sam and Schyler and sisters.....Lottie, Mima, Minnie, Guesta and Kate. These families go back to the 1840s in the Hardin, Saline and Pope Counties........if any oldtimers can remember anything about any of these people, I would appreciate the tiniest bit.......maybe somebody remembers hearing a story...and I do not care if it is good or bad. Opal Ingram, my grandmother, married John Bonnie Gillespie who was about 15 years older than she was. At some point they divorced and Gma married George R. Ledbetter who was a great step grandfather....Opal and George were childhood sweethearts who got back together and stayed married til death........about 50 years. Opal had dark black hair as did her mother, Norah.......Dess had reddish hair. Opal loved to dance, loved to sing..... Hopefully, somebody's grandparents will remember something. Even anything about the names Ingram, Smith, Huggins.........I have plenty of information on Ferrell. Thanks............Sandra Sandra White, researching McGlothlin, Gillespie, Ingram, Stilwell, Spradlin, Bryant, Avery, Cook, Huggins, Taylor, Mott, Henke, Hunsaker, Bolin, House, Denning

We are talking about the same building, it was a two story with the resturant on the first floor and sleeping quarters for the train crews on the second floor, with porches on both floors. It had the distinction of being the first building in Reevesville with electricity, which was provided by diesel driven "Delco" generator. I have a photo of it somewhere with my grandmother sitting on the porch of the first level. Harry Nave was a dear friend of my father's for many, many years. I'm interested in your Clardy connection. Who was your grandmother ? What Reevesville book do you refer ? Barney ----- Original Message ----- From: <jamlsh@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Anyone who can go and talk... > In a message dated 9/14/2005 1:41:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > beesea@mohaveaz.com writes: > Susan, > Are you referring to the IC Restaurant and boarding house adjacent to the > Jim > Hard General Store that my aunt > Ann Stearns operated during the late 30's-early 40's ? > Barney, > > I don't know what the restaurant was called or if it even had a name. Mom > never said that it did. She read the Reeseville book and the restaurant > mentioned > in that was the one that Grandma had. Grandma was not mentioned. She had > it > during the WWII and fed the troop trains. My mom was in high school and > remembers getting up in the middle of the night to make cheeseburgers for > the guys. > Until the day she died, she hated making cheeseburgers. lol Sometimes the > RR > conductors stayed over night so they would get booted out of their beds so > they > guys would have somewhere to sleep. One used to come with his family on > Sundays for dinner at the restaurant. The restaurant wasn't really a > boarding > house, but it might have seemed like it since there were 8 kids. Grandma > would find > a bed for anyone that needed to stay the night. The kids would sometimes > sleep 5 in a bed. My aunt married Harry Nave's son. > > Susan > > >

I beleive that the original Stonefort may have been in Pope County. When the town relocated however it developed along what is now U.S.45, and what was once the NYC Railroad. The eastern part of town is in Saline Co. while the western portion is in Williamson. The house I grew up in was partially in both counties. Barney ----- Original Message ----- From: <Swhit29@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Anyone who can go and talk... > Susan, > > My grandmother, Opal Ingram was born in Stonefort in 1903. She always > said > it was in Pope County but what I find in research is in Saline > County....the > family was also listed in the Saline County Census. > > Her siblings were: Fred Ingram, Della, Dessie, Clyde and Claude (twins > boy > & girl but I do not know which was which) and then Opal the youngest. > > Their parents were JohnWilliam Ingram (not to be confused with John > Wesley > Ingram...not my line but in the same area) and Nora Smith Ingram. John > Ingram > supposedly died when dragged to death by a team of mules before my > grandmother was born. She was born in Nov...and I am assuming he was > plowing in the > spring...I find no record of his death or burial. I would assumed that > it > would have been news at the time back then.John W. Ingram was born Sept > 1871 so > he would have only been 32 or so when he died. > > John Ingram's parents were Frank/Franklin Ingram (not to be confused with > Francis Marion Ingram...not my line but also in the same area) and Martha > Huggins. > > Nora Smith's parents were: Giles Smith and Vida Ferrell > Nora's siblings were: 2 brothers....Sam and Schyler and > sisters.....Lottie, > Mima, Minnie, Guesta and Kate. > > These families go back to the 1840s in the Hardin, Saline and Pope > Counties........if any oldtimers can remember anything about any of these > people, I > would appreciate the tiniest bit.......maybe somebody remembers hearing a > story...and I do not care if it is good or bad. > > Opal Ingram, my grandmother, married John Bonnie Gillespie who was about > 15 > years older than she was. At some point they divorced and Gma married > George > R. Ledbetter who was a great step grandfather....Opal and George were > childhood sweethearts who got back together and stayed married til > death........about 50 years. Opal had dark black hair as did her mother, > Norah.......Dess > had reddish hair. Opal loved to dance, loved to sing..... > > Hopefully, somebody's grandparents will remember something. > > Even anything about the names Ingram, Smith, Huggins.........I have > plenty > of information on Ferrell. > > Thanks............Sandra > > Sandra White, > > researching McGlothlin, Gillespie, Ingram, Stilwell, > Spradlin, Bryant, Avery, Cook, Huggins, Taylor, > Mott, Henke, Hunsaker, Bolin, House, Denning > > > >

Well, I guess I'm an "Old Timer" also. As I recall the concrete roads (state hiways) were the "Hard Roads", ie U.S 45/ SR146, then there were Gravel Roads, such as Ganntown/Reevesville or Stonefort to McCormick to Eddyville, and then there were Dirt Roads, such as the one from Grantsburg that intersected the Ganntown/Reevesville Road near the Benton School & Church, or the one from Renshaw to Reevesville. Although they were called "Dirt" most of them were more clay than anything else and when wet were as slick as grease and became easily rutted. In later years most of the Concrete roads were resurfaced with asphalt, the Gravel Roads were chipped & sealed and the Dirt roads were graveled and of course later yet the Chip & Seal were paved with asphalt and became the "Black Tops". Even though the old concrete hiways were covered with asphalt they were still the "Hard Roads" Out here in Arizona we only seem to have Black Top's and dirt roads which are mostly dust. Barney ----- Original Message ----- From: <WXFORDS@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] This oldtimer quest is a great one. Anyone who can go and talk... > > In a message dated 9/14/2005 10:15:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, > Rmarkowi@aol.com writes: > > When electric came in and when roads were not paved. It is all > fascinating and only the old timers who are from long time families in the > area > would be able to reflect these tidbits. > > > > If you ever hear the term "hard road" you can bet they are from Southern > Illinois. When they started paving the roads people in the local area > would > call them the "hard road". > > Linda in TN > > >

He's just a teenager!!

George, Was George Raymond Wallace any relation to George Clark Wallace? My gggrandmother was Georgeann Wallace Sutherland. She married James Newton Sutherland in Pope Co. and they lived there during their marriage, raised their children, and died there. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <GRogers954@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Illinois Central Railroad! > > > This is in response to CSWR'S inquiry about the Rail Road in Golconda, I > attempted to send this earlier but apparently it didn't go thru. > > The following information is from my Brother in-law William Spann Wallace. > He was A Conductor on the Illinois Central Railroad from August 16, 1941 until > May 29, 1981, Except for service in the U.S. Marines from June 22, 1942 until > December 10, 1945. > > His Father George Raymond Wallace AKA (Weary) Worked on the Illinois Central > Railroad from 1906 until 1960. He started out as a worker in the Cobden > station Where he learned to be a Telegraph operator and in 1915 became the > Telegraph operator at the Golconda Station and subsequently the Station Agent. > Except for service in the U.S. Marines from April 1917 until November 19, 1919. > Coincidentally they both enlisted at the U.S. Court & Customs office in St. > Louis Missouri. > > The first Railroad Station was built in 1902 and the first train into > Golconda was December 10, 1902. > > Railroad track scales were built in 1916. After WW 1 track was laid to > Rosiclare (11 Miles) to Facilitate bringing out Fluor spar from the Rosiclare > mines. > > Up until this time the Spar was brought down from Rosiclare to just North of > Golconda by the Railroad car barge "Bernice" whose Chief Engineer was > Charlie Steinkamp. > > where they were pulled up the incline to the Rail line one car at a time . > > A new Station was built in 1947 the Foreman on the project was T. Lingle. > > The reason given to abandon the Rail Line was lack of business but in > reality they were abandoning all branch lines they believed were unprofitable. Bill > believes this just hastened the Railroads decline along with the building of > Roads. > > The Golconda District originated at Reevesville and ran from there to > Golconda and then to Rosiclare it was 11 miles long. This line was abandoned in > 1982. It connected to the Edge wood cutoff that ran from Fulton Kentucky to Edge > wood Illinois it is a Freight bypass of the main line to move freight and > free up the main line. The cutoff is still in operation today. The cutoff is 26 > miles long. > > It was A division of the Illinois Central Railroad. > > The closest Railroad Station Is now Carbondale. > > Bill would like to know your Grandfathers name as he Probably knew him and > might have worked with him. > > Respectfully, > > George Rogers > > >