I have a bit of a problem. I am sorry to find out that Dollie Mae (WOOD) WALTERS 1917-2005, recently passed away. She was married to Orvin Lee (aka Olen) WALTER (with no S at end of surname), who was a Grandson to Christian John WALTER (no S), b. Hannover Province, Germany and Mary Anna KLINK 1839-1923, b. Wurttemberg, Germany. The WALTERS family origin seem to be TN, while the WALTER family origin are from Germany. The two surnames are often confused, esp. with the "S". Could someone confirm that Olen (Orivin Lee) WALTER is the grandson of Christian J. and Mary A. WALTER? I know that some WATERS/WATTERS are confused with WALTERS also, not to mention the WALTHER family. thanks.... -- -- -:¦:- *CarolSue* -:¦:- -- (blessed to be on the beautiful NW California-Pacific Coast) Life's a tough proposition, and the first hundred years are the hardest. - Wilson Mizner

Thank you for responding. It's nice to have another opinion. Thanks to the other individuals that responded also. Ida -- "Margaret Oliver" <peggyjune@adelphia.net> wrote: Here's my 2c worth....... I think you have it correctly...the younger of the two Davids belongs to James and Lily. In 1860, we find Matthew 53 and Rhoda Harper 43, with 6 year old David W. Also in 1860, we find James A. Harper 35, and Anna 26(probably Lilly Anna) with 4 year old David. In 1870, we find Matthew 63 and Rhoda 52 with 16 year old David. Also 1870, we find James Harper 45 and Lylla A. 36 with 14 year old David. In 1880, Pope County, Alexander Precinct, David age 23 and Sintha 17 and 8 mos old Lily are living next door to James and Lily Harper. This would seem to indicate that they are his parents. 1880, David age 25, and Mary age 21 with 5 mos old Freddie are living in Eddyville, Pope County. No other Harpers are in the immediate vicinity. 1880, It appears that Matthew and Rhoda have passed away, at least they are not found in the state of Illinois. Margaret Reynolds Oliver (also connected to Murphy & Harper) ----- Original Message ----- From: <idcheek@juno.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Two David Harper Families >I would like someone's help with resolving the parentage of two different >David Harpers who lived in Pope County. > > The first David Harper was born in June 1855 and was married to Mary > Slankard and had children Fredie and Elzo. He then married Sarah Trammel > and had Roy, Eva, Sylvia and Finley. I think his parents were Matthew > Harper and Rhoda Leach. > > The second David Harper was born Oct 1856 and was married to Cynthia > Frizzell. They had children Lilly, Elbert, Chester, Horace, D. W. > (David), Thomas E. and Charles G. I think this David's parents were James > A. Harper and Lilly Ann Settles. > > I have seen some researchers have the parents for these two Davids > reversed from what I stated above. They are both about the same age and I > believe they were first cousins. Can someone enlighten me as to the > correct parentage for each David Harper. Thanks in advance for any help. > >

I would like someone's help with resolving the parentage of two different David Harpers who lived in Pope County. The first David Harper was born in June 1855 and was married to Mary Slankard and had children Fredie and Elzo. He then married Sarah Trammel and had Roy, Eva, Sylvia and Finley. I think his parents were Matthew Harper and Rhoda Leach. The second David Harper was born Oct 1856 and was married to Cynthia Frizzell. They had children Lilly, Elbert, Chester, Horace, D. W. (David), Thomas E. and Charles G. I think this David's parents were James A. Harper and Lilly Ann Settles. I have seen some researchers have the parents for these two Davids reversed from what I stated above. They are both about the same age and I believe they were first cousins. Can someone enlighten me as to the correct parentage for each David Harper. Thanks in advance for any help.

Here's my 2c worth....... I think you have it correctly...the younger of the two Davids belongs to James and Lily. In 1860, we find Matthew 53 and Rhoda Harper 43, with 6 year old David W. Also in 1860, we find James A. Harper 35, and Anna 26(probably Lilly Anna) with 4 year old David. In 1870, we find Matthew 63 and Rhoda 52 with 16 year old David. Also 1870, we find James Harper 45 and Lylla A. 36 with 14 year old David. In 1880, Pope County, Alexander Precinct, David age 23 and Sintha 17 and 8 mos old Lily are living next door to James and Lily Harper. This would seem to indicate that they are his parents. 1880, David age 25, and Mary age 21 with 5 mos old Freddie are living in Eddyville, Pope County. No other Harpers are in the immediate vicinity. 1880, It appears that Matthew and Rhoda have passed away, at least they are not found in the state of Illinois. Margaret Reynolds Oliver (also connected to Murphy & Harper) ----- Original Message ----- From: <idcheek@juno.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Two David Harper Families >I would like someone's help with resolving the parentage of two different >David Harpers who lived in Pope County. > > The first David Harper was born in June 1855 and was married to Mary > Slankard and had children Fredie and Elzo. He then married Sarah Trammel > and had Roy, Eva, Sylvia and Finley. I think his parents were Matthew > Harper and Rhoda Leach. > > The second David Harper was born Oct 1856 and was married to Cynthia > Frizzell. They had children Lilly, Elbert, Chester, Horace, D. W. > (David), Thomas E. and Charles G. I think this David's parents were James > A. Harper and Lilly Ann Settles. > > I have seen some researchers have the parents for these two Davids > reversed from what I stated above. They are both about the same age and I > believe they were first cousins. Can someone enlighten me as to the > correct parentage for each David Harper. Thanks in advance for any help. > >

I don't know if this is any help to you, but I needed some distractions from usual activities and did some look ups. You probably have most of this info already, but I found it interesting that the two David(s), before 1900, began changing their identity....one went to David *W*, and the other remained David. Please note the wider range between the birth dates, and where born, and parents born. Here is what I found, hope it is helpful in some way: (Search inquiry on 2- David Harper(s) 1855 & 1856, Pope Co, IL 10.26.05) 1860 Census: [Walnut Shade] HARPER - James 20, and Melia 20...new baby Janie, 1 mo. / *no David* .....[Zion Hill] HARPER - Ellis 47, and Margaret 43 / *no David* ....[Broad Oak] HARPER - Mathew 53 TN, and Rhoda 43 TN / *no David* Wm. R 17, John R 15, Martha J 13, Mathew G 11, Ellen L 8, Daniel W. 6, Rhoda C 3, Margaret McCorkle 20 - helper ....[Broad Oak] HARPER - James A. 35 IL and Anna 26 TN (Lilly?) *has DAVID*, age 4 IL and other children: Indian C 9, Ellis B 6, Martha A. 1, and William MAIDE 18 - farm hand --->>/ note on James A. - volunteer enlistment Aug 1864 at Glendale for service in --->>the Civil War (w/my grandfather Robert Maxwell, and 41 others). Glendale was --->>being founded in about 1860./ ....[Broad Oak] HARPER, Jessie 61 TN, and Elizabeth 56 NC with Wm., Nancy, John, Samuel, Lutha, Ariantha *no David* ~~~~ 1880 Census: [Eddyville] HARPER, David 31 IL - parents born f.SC, m.TN and Mary 21 - with 5 mos old child, Freddie [Alexander Prct.] - this David changes to David *W* HARPER, David 23 IL - parents born f.IL, m.TN and Sintha 17 IL and child Lily A., 8 mos old IL the above live next door to: HARPER, James 55 IL, parents born f.TN, m.TN and Lily A. 46 TN with James A. 19, John R 16, Lewis G 10, Dora E 7. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marriage Notes: (Pope Co, IL) Nov. 2, 1876 DAVID HARPER 22, marr Mary F. Slankard 18 --- Jan 24, 1886 David Harper witness to marr. of - John Holloway 53TN and Sarah A. McCorkle-Harper 48IL, at Glendale. --- Oct 24, 1886 David Harper 31 IL, marr Sarah Trammel 20 IL, at Oak Grove School House. --- June 26, 1879 David *W.* Harper witness to marr. of - George Frizell to Rachel Jackson --- Sept 15, 1887 David *W* Harper witness to marr. of - Franz Aly 57 Germany to Lilly A. Settles-Harper 53,IL, at Bride's residence. --- June 13, 1897 David *W* Harper witness (and parent) w/ Cynthia Harper, of dau - Lillie Ann Harper (she lists parents as David M. Harper and Sinthy Frezell) to Samuel G. Allard (parents listed William Allard and Clarky Jaenkins) - note made w/documents that "David W. and Cynthia Harper" are Lillie's parents. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ by the 1900 Census, both David *W* and David are listed: David *W* Harper in *Alexander Prct.* w/ Cynthia M. (8 ch/7living) David W b. Oct 1856, age 43, marr 22 yrs. - both parents b. IL? and Cynthia M. b. Apr 1863 IL, both parents b. IL Harper family: Elbert M. 1882, Chester 1884, Horace E. 1886, David W. 1887, Thomas E. 1890, Charlie G. 1892...all born IL. --within two households away is Joseph 1848 and Sarah E. 1857 HARPER David Harper over in *Eddyville Prct.* w/Sarah (6 ch/5 living) David b. June *1865*, age 35+, marr. 14 yrs - both parents b. TN and Sarah, b. 1866 IL (both parents b. TN) Harper family: Elzo 1882, Roy 1887, ^Eva 1893, Silva 1894, Finley 1891 all children b. IL --within three households away is Thomas Tramel 32 and Anna 17. ....neither James nor Mathew appear in 1900. ^Eva Harper's marr to Andy Gable on Oct 9, 1909 w/Finley Harper (bro) as one of the witnesses. Eva age 18, Andy age 25....first marr. for both. Document signed by David Harper, father of Eva Harper gives his consent to the marriage with Andy Gable. Further says his daughter was born 04 Nov 1892 at Eddyville, Pope Co., IL.../s/ David Harper. --carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ idcheek@juno.com wrote: >I would like someone's help with resolving the parentage of two different David Harpers who lived in Pope County. > >The first David Harper was born in June 1855 and was married to Mary Slankard and had children Fredie and Elzo. He then married Sarah Trammel and had Roy, Eva, Sylvia and Finley. I think his parents were Matthew Harper and Rhoda Leach. > >The second David Harper was born Oct 1856 and was married to Cynthia Frizzell. They had children Lilly, Elbert, Chester, Horace, D. W. (David), Thomas E. and Charles G. I think this David's parents were James A. Harper and Lilly Ann Settles. > >I have seen some researchers have the parents for these two Davids reversed from what I stated above. They are both about the same age and I believe they were first cousins. Can someone enlighten me as to the correct parentage for each David Harper. Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > > -- -:¦:- *CAROL* -:¦:- blessed to be on the beautiful NW California-Pacific Coast

Thank you to those who helped me determine that my Mary Ann Ledbetter Morse (b1842 in IL or KY) could NOT be the daughter of Matthew Ledbetter who was born about 1800 in Kentucky, or of Wiley Ledbetter, son of Mathew Ledbetter. Having eliminated them, I am now focusing on the next most likely prospect for a relative, James R. Ledbetter. James R. Ledbetter cannot be my Mary Ann Ledbetter's father because she does not appear in his household in 1850 when she would have been 8 years old, but he and Sarah J. Ledbetter appear to be somehow related to her. Here are the census entries for James R. Ledbetter's family in 1850 and 1860: 1850 Federal Census, Massac County, Illinois 19 September 1850, page 244A, lines 37-41, Dwelling & Family #402: James Ledbetter, 30, Ky (1840 Census shows Alabama), farmer Viney A., 28, Alabama (Alvina Mosier?) Nancy A., 6, Illinois Westley, 4, Illinois (***See note immediately below***) Minerva, 1, Illinois 1860 Federal Census: The only Ledbetters listed in Massac County, Illinois are family #829, at George's Creek P.O. . . . James, 40, Alabama Lavina, 34. Alabama Nancy, 16, Illinois Wesley, 14, Illinois (***See note immediately below ***) Cyntha, 8, Illinois Haspoling, 4, Illinois Vienna, 1, Illinois Note that son, Wesley Ledbetter (b1846), married Emeline Stephenson first (1867) and Minta Grimes third (1884). Mary Ann Ledbetter Morse's daughter, Cordelia, married Jasper Stephenson in the same county, 1878! Mary Ann Ledbetter Morse's other daughter, Sarah, married John Copland Ward in 1888. George Washington Thrasher and Lucy Grimes were the witnesses at this wedding. George Washington Thrasher married Sarah J. Ledbetter who was the daughter of Wesley Ledbetter and the granddaughter of James R. Ledbetter. SOMEHOW MY MARY ANN IS CONNECTED TO JAMES R. LEDBETTER, BORN TN(?) ABOUT 1820; AS WELL AS TO HIS GRANDDAUGHTER, SARAH J. LEDBETTER WHO MARRIED GEORGE WASHINGTON THRASHER. After witnessing the wedding of Mary Ann Ledbetter Morse's daughter, they lived just 3 doors away according to the 1860 Grand Chain, Pulaski County, Illinois census Is anyone on this list familiar with these folks? Debbie Ward McArdle

Just received my copies of Early Marriages Johnson Co IL Volume 3 1886-1893 & Volume 4 1894-1900. For more information email _RuthCubfan@aol.com_ (mailto:RuthCubfan@aol.com) Judy Foreman Lee _UdyDee43@aol.com_ (mailto:UdyDee43@aol.com) My families: Benard, Brown, Crawford, Carr, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, Foreman, Glass, Hanna, Holmes, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lewis, Maddox, Reams, Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen, Sipe, Slankard, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Whitley, Williams, etc.

Is anyone on this list working on Mathew LEDBETTER who lived in Caldwell County, Kentucky; Southern Illinois and Desha County, Arkansas? I am trying to determine if a child identified as 'Marion' in the John N. Ledbetter's biography in "Biographical Review of Johnson, Massac, Pope and Hardin Counties, Illinois" could possibly have been 'Mary Ann'. I have not yet requested Mathew LEDBETTER's probate from the 1850 Desha County Arkansas records, but thought someone on this list might know. If she is not the daughter of Mathew LEDBETTER, she may be his granddaughter through his son, Wiley Ledbetter For 2 decades I have been looking for Mary Ann LEDBETTER's parents, and each time the facts take me back to Mathew and Rachel LEDBETTER as her parents or paternal grandparents. Following is my Mary Ann LEDBETTER's information: MARY ANN LEDBETTER 1.) My Mary Ann was born 1842 in Illinois, per 1860 Massac County, Illinois Census where she appears with her husband, John T. MORSE. This matches the info in the "Biographical Review" which states that Mathew LEDBETTER moved to Illinois in 1842. 2.) Have not located Mathew LEDBETTER's family on the 1850 Desha County, Arkansas Census, but understand it appears on page 71A. Does anyone have access to this? I only have Heritage Quest and it doesn't cover 1850. My Mary Ann Ledbetter cannot be found on the 1850 Illinois Census. The Mary Ann Ledbetter who is living in Hardin County cannot be my Mary Ann Ledbetter as she is married to a different man. The 1850 Census for Hopkins County, Kentucky (right next to Caldwell County, KY where Mathew LEDBETTER had lived) shows a "Mary V. Leadbetter", born 1842. This Mary V. Leadbetter is shown as the d/o Wiley (b1822 Ky, merchant) and Nancy Leadbetter. This Wiley may be the son of Matthew Ledbetter 3.) Mary Ann Ledbetter married 23 August 1857, Massac County, to John T. Morse who was born in Caldwell County, Kentucky where Mathew LEDBETTER had lived. Her husband died in the Civil War, 28 Dec 1863 Natchez, Miss. 4.) Children: Cordelia "Della" Morse, born 7 May 1858, Massac County, Ill. married Jasper N. Stephenson, lived in Boaz, Massac County, IL Sarah Francis Morse, born 28 Feb 1861, Massac County, Ill. married John Ward, lived in the Grand Chain / Karnak area of Pulaski County, IL 5.) She marries second, Carroll Johnson Young, 15 July 1866, Williamson County, Illinois. Pension applications regarding the children of John T. Morse are filed with the federal government and confirm family relationships for two generations. 6.) Mary Ann Ledbetter Morse Young Dies 30 May 1870, Williamson County, Illinois. 7.) Custody battles for the two children begin, between the step-father, Carrol Johnson Young, and the paternal uncle, Drury C. Morse of Massac County. Drury C. Morse wins and is awarded guardianship. Children return to Massac County. Is anyone else working on Wiley, Mathew or Mary Ann Ledbetter? Debbie Ward McArdle

I am trying to find out any details on an event that I have heard about that includes William B. and William Hardiman Ledbetter in about 1834. Are there any newspaper clippings available, describing the facts. Larry

There is a book of Belford descendants (1800 - 1900) by Edward L Annable, 564 N. Main St. Jonesboro, IL 62952 618-833-4170. We understand the Johnson County Genealogy Society in Vienna May be Helpful also

Sorry, I messed up when I typed that. Polly married Jonathan Joiner in 1827 (late 1820s). I must have been distracted when I typed that. Among references (in a typed book at the Pope Cunty courthouse) to Mark Whitaker's probate records, I found the following entries: - 26 Jan 1826 Polly Dees became indebted to John Baldwin and Jinta Whitaker, administrators of Mark Whitaker's estate, for a list of goods (furniture, livestock, etc.) which is footnoted in the record as probably a wedding gift. (My guess is that it could also have all been a gift made at the time when she lost her husband). JOINER, JONATHAN WHITAKER, POLLY (MISS) POPE 02/18/1827 00A/0038 00000000 - on 20 May 1828, there is a letter in regard to estate notes indicating that Polly Joiner, wife of Jonathan Joiner, is an heir to the estate of Mark Whitaker On 10 August 1829, there is a record that Polly Joiner, alias Dees, was an hier to Mark Whitaker. The oldest record I've found of a Dees in southern IL was William Dees, who was listed in 1812-14 as a corporal in the pay roll of company of militia commanded by Captain William ALEXANDER, of the county of Randolph, Illinois Territory. William Dees, David Dees, Levey Dees, and Jesse Dees were listed as a property holders in Pope County in 1816. David Dees was listed as a head of household in Pope County in 1818. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Oliver" <peggyjune@adelphia.net> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Pope Co IL Marriages > Excuse me for butting in here, but if Polly married someone about 1825, is > it likely that she again married in the late 1800s? > Margaret Reynolds Oliver > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <UdyDee43@aol.com> > To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Pope Co IL Marriages > > >> >> >> >> In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> judy@armstrongs.org writes: >> >> May I ask a favor of you? I didn't know your marriage book existed. Is >> there >> any record of a marriage in Pope county of anyone named Dees or Deas by >> any >> spelling before about 1825? Also is there any record of a Polly >> Whittaker >> marrying anyone during that time frame? >> >> In the late 1900s Polly married a Jonathan Joiner and used the name >> Polly >> Whittaker, but before she married Jonathan there were two records of her >> where she was listed as Polly Whittaker aka Dees and as Polly Dees, and >> she >> appears to have been the daughter of Mark Whittaker. >> >> Judy Armstrong >> Dees marriages found in Pope County IL Marriage Book A-E 1813-1877 >> Volume 1 >> >> Judy M. DEAES………………………………….Bk 1 pg 116 >> Caroline DEAS……………………………………Bk 1 pg 79 >> Juda DEAS………………………………………..Bk 1 pg 37 >> Drucilla Ann DEES……………………………….Bk 1 pg 128 >> Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES……………………….Bk 1 pg 1 >> Lewis Nelson DEES………………………………Bk 1 pg 41 >> Rachel DEESE…………………………………….Bk 1 pg 82 >> PCMV1 >> Page 1 >> Bk A pg (2) ~ Reubin GREEN & Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES---------------21 >> Sep >> 1816 by S. OMELVENY, Esqr. >> Page 37 >> Bk A pg 385 ~ Robert WAGGONER & Juda DEAS------------------16 Sep 1846 >> BY >> William BELFORD >> Page 41 >> Bk A pg 407 ~ Lewis Nelson DEES & Elizabeth JOINER----------14 Jun >> 1849 by >> Chas. H. CLAY, M.G. >> Page 79 >> Bk B pg 315 ~ Asa COLLIER & Caroline DEAS----------------------3 Aug >> 1863 by >> John WERTZ, J.P. >> Page 82 >> Bk B pg 363 ~ J.W. LEWIS & Rachel DUSE/DEESE ?---------------31 Dec 1863 >> by >> G.S. LEWIS, M.G. >> Page 116 >> Bk C pg 338 ~ Calvin T. WAGONER [of this co] & Miss Judy M. DEAES-10 Feb >> 1870 by John BEBOUT, M.G. >> Page 128 >> Bk D pg 6 #209 ~ David COLLIER & Mrs. Drucilla Ann DEES-----28 Mar 1872 >> by >> John WERTZ, C.J. >> >> Judy Foreman Lee >> >> >> >> >> _UdyDee43@aol.com_ (mailto:UdyDee43@aol.com) >> >> My families: Benard, Brown, Crawford, Carr, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, >> Foreman, Glass, Hanna, Holmes, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lewis, >> Maddox, Reams, >> Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen, >> Sipe, Slankard, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Whitley, >> Williams, etc. >> >> >> > >

Thank you Judy. I had some found some of those on the Pope County Genweb site but not all. Judie/Juda Deas/Dees and Robert Waggoner/Wagoner are my gg grandparents, and I'm trying to figure out who Judy's parents were. We're pretty sure Robert's father was John Waggoner of Williamson County. Thanks, Judy Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: <UdyDee43@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Pope Co IL Marriages > > > > In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > judy@armstrongs.org writes: > > May I ask a favor of you? I didn't know your marriage book existed. Is > there > any record of a marriage in Pope county of anyone named Dees or Deas by > any > spelling before about 1825? Also is there any record of a Polly Whittaker > marrying anyone during that time frame? > > In the late 1900s Polly married a Jonathan Joiner and used the name Polly > Whittaker, but before she married Jonathan there were two records of her > where she was listed as Polly Whittaker aka Dees and as Polly Dees, and > she > appears to have been the daughter of Mark Whittaker. > > Judy Armstrong > Dees marriages found in Pope County IL Marriage Book A-E 1813-1877 > Volume 1 > > Judy M. DEAES………………………………….Bk 1 pg 116 > Caroline DEAS……………………………………Bk 1 pg 79 > Juda DEAS………………………………………..Bk 1 pg 37 > Drucilla Ann DEES……………………………….Bk 1 pg 128 > Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES……………………….Bk 1 pg 1 > Lewis Nelson DEES………………………………Bk 1 pg 41 > Rachel DEESE…………………………………….Bk 1 pg 82 > PCMV1 > Page 1 > Bk A pg (2) ~ Reubin GREEN & Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES---------------21 > Sep > 1816 by S. OMELVENY, Esqr. > Page 37 > Bk A pg 385 ~ Robert WAGGONER & Juda DEAS------------------16 Sep 1846 BY > William BELFORD > Page 41 > Bk A pg 407 ~ Lewis Nelson DEES & Elizabeth JOINER----------14 Jun 1849 > by > Chas. H. CLAY, M.G. > Page 79 > Bk B pg 315 ~ Asa COLLIER & Caroline DEAS----------------------3 Aug 1863 > by > John WERTZ, J.P. > Page 82 > Bk B pg 363 ~ J.W. LEWIS & Rachel DUSE/DEESE ?---------------31 Dec 1863 > by > G.S. LEWIS, M.G. > Page 116 > Bk C pg 338 ~ Calvin T. WAGONER [of this co] & Miss Judy M. DEAES-10 Feb > 1870 by John BEBOUT, M.G. > Page 128 > Bk D pg 6 #209 ~ David COLLIER & Mrs. Drucilla Ann DEES-----28 Mar 1872 > by > John WERTZ, C.J. > > Judy Foreman Lee > > > > > _UdyDee43@aol.com_ (mailto:UdyDee43@aol.com) > > My families: Benard, Brown, Crawford, Carr, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, > Foreman, Glass, Hanna, Holmes, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lewis, Maddox, > Reams, > Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen, > Sipe, Slankard, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Whitley, > Williams, etc. > > > >

Excuse me for butting in here, but if Polly married someone about 1825, is it likely that she again married in the late 1800s? Margaret Reynolds Oliver ----- Original Message ----- From: <UdyDee43@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Pope Co IL Marriages > > > > In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > judy@armstrongs.org writes: > > May I ask a favor of you? I didn't know your marriage book existed. Is > there > any record of a marriage in Pope county of anyone named Dees or Deas by > any > spelling before about 1825? Also is there any record of a Polly Whittaker > marrying anyone during that time frame? > > In the late 1900s Polly married a Jonathan Joiner and used the name Polly > Whittaker, but before she married Jonathan there were two records of her > where she was listed as Polly Whittaker aka Dees and as Polly Dees, and > she > appears to have been the daughter of Mark Whittaker. > > Judy Armstrong > Dees marriages found in Pope County IL Marriage Book A-E 1813-1877 > Volume 1 > > Judy M. DEAES………………………………….Bk 1 pg 116 > Caroline DEAS……………………………………Bk 1 pg 79 > Juda DEAS………………………………………..Bk 1 pg 37 > Drucilla Ann DEES……………………………….Bk 1 pg 128 > Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES……………………….Bk 1 pg 1 > Lewis Nelson DEES………………………………Bk 1 pg 41 > Rachel DEESE…………………………………….Bk 1 pg 82 > PCMV1 > Page 1 > Bk A pg (2) ~ Reubin GREEN & Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES---------------21 > Sep > 1816 by S. OMELVENY, Esqr. > Page 37 > Bk A pg 385 ~ Robert WAGGONER & Juda DEAS------------------16 Sep 1846 BY > William BELFORD > Page 41 > Bk A pg 407 ~ Lewis Nelson DEES & Elizabeth JOINER----------14 Jun 1849 > by > Chas. H. CLAY, M.G. > Page 79 > Bk B pg 315 ~ Asa COLLIER & Caroline DEAS----------------------3 Aug 1863 > by > John WERTZ, J.P. > Page 82 > Bk B pg 363 ~ J.W. LEWIS & Rachel DUSE/DEESE ?---------------31 Dec 1863 > by > G.S. LEWIS, M.G. > Page 116 > Bk C pg 338 ~ Calvin T. WAGONER [of this co] & Miss Judy M. DEAES-10 Feb > 1870 by John BEBOUT, M.G. > Page 128 > Bk D pg 6 #209 ~ David COLLIER & Mrs. Drucilla Ann DEES-----28 Mar 1872 > by > John WERTZ, C.J. > > Judy Foreman Lee > > > > > _UdyDee43@aol.com_ (mailto:UdyDee43@aol.com) > > My families: Benard, Brown, Crawford, Carr, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, > Foreman, Glass, Hanna, Holmes, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lewis, Maddox, > Reams, > Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen, > Sipe, Slankard, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Whitley, > Williams, etc. > > >

In a message dated 10/12/2005 12:07:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, judy@armstrongs.org writes: May I ask a favor of you? I didn't know your marriage book existed. Is there any record of a marriage in Pope county of anyone named Dees or Deas by any spelling before about 1825? Also is there any record of a Polly Whittaker marrying anyone during that time frame? In the late 1900s Polly married a Jonathan Joiner and used the name Polly Whittaker, but before she married Jonathan there were two records of her where she was listed as Polly Whittaker aka Dees and as Polly Dees, and she appears to have been the daughter of Mark Whittaker. Judy Armstrong Dees marriages found in Pope County IL Marriage Book A-E 1813-1877 Volume 1 Judy M. DEAES………………………………….Bk 1 pg 116 Caroline DEAS……………………………………Bk 1 pg 79 Juda DEAS………………………………………..Bk 1 pg 37 Drucilla Ann DEES……………………………….Bk 1 pg 128 Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES……………………….Bk 1 pg 1 Lewis Nelson DEES………………………………Bk 1 pg 41 Rachel DEESE…………………………………….Bk 1 pg 82 PCMV1 Page 1 Bk A pg (2) ~ Reubin GREEN & Elisabeth Andrusilla DEES---------------21 Sep 1816 by S. OMELVENY, Esqr. Page 37 Bk A pg 385 ~ Robert WAGGONER & Juda DEAS------------------16 Sep 1846 BY William BELFORD Page 41 Bk A pg 407 ~ Lewis Nelson DEES & Elizabeth JOINER----------14 Jun 1849 by Chas. H. CLAY, M.G. Page 79 Bk B pg 315 ~ Asa COLLIER & Caroline DEAS----------------------3 Aug 1863 by John WERTZ, J.P. Page 82 Bk B pg 363 ~ J.W. LEWIS & Rachel DUSE/DEESE ?---------------31 Dec 1863 by G.S. LEWIS, M.G. Page 116 Bk C pg 338 ~ Calvin T. WAGONER [of this co] & Miss Judy M. DEAES-10 Feb 1870 by John BEBOUT, M.G. Page 128 Bk D pg 6 #209 ~ David COLLIER & Mrs. Drucilla Ann DEES-----28 Mar 1872 by John WERTZ, C.J. Judy Foreman Lee _UdyDee43@aol.com_ (mailto:UdyDee43@aol.com) My families: Benard, Brown, Crawford, Carr, Davidson, Doctorman, Echols, Foreman, Glass, Hanna, Holmes, Hurford, Jackson, Jennings, Lewis, Maddox, Reams, Rumsey, Scott, Shadowen, Sipe, Slankard, Soward, Trovillion, Tomlinson/Linson, Vinyard, Whitley, Williams, etc.

i AM SEARCHING EARLY JOHN BELFORD. JUST ANYTHING..THANKS MELBA WADDELL BAILEY

I've been reading your postings from Pope County. My family roots originated in Pulaski and Aleander Counties, but my wife's roots are in Pope County and Hardin County. My Wife's family is made up from the Taylors, Lamars, Ledbetters. My wife's Grandmother was Melissa Era Taylor . Her Father was Spencer B. Taylor and so-on and so-on. "Era", as we all called her, married Kenneth Major Sullivan, who was from Hamilton County ( I think). After his death, she married J. Roy Gullett, from Pope County. I would like to get any information that I can on Aaron Taylor's heritage. Larry

Larry: Which Ledbetters are yours? I'm researching Mary Ann Ledbetter, born 1842, married John T. Morse in Massac County in 1857. She appears to be somehow related to Wesley Ledbetter, born 1846, who married Emily Stevenson in 1867, Massac County; and Rutha Ledbetter Farris who was born in 1812, wife of William Alexander Farris. Debbie Ward McArdle ----- Original Message ----- From: Cskyhk@wmconnect.com To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] A note from a novice I've been reading your postings from Pope County. My family roots originated in Pulaski and Aleander Counties, but my wife's roots are in Pope County and Hardin County. My Wife's family is made up from the Taylors, Lamars, Ledbetters. My wife's Grandmother was Melissa Era Taylor . Her Father was Spencer B. Taylor and so-on and so-on. "Era", as we all called her, married Kenneth Major Sullivan, who was from Hamilton County ( I think). After his death, she married J. Roy Gullett, from Pope County. I would like to get any information that I can on Aaron Taylor's heritage. Larry

Judy, Are you going to do any more books? I missed out on the death registry book. Susan

Hi Brenda, I am descended from Ivy and Caroline Reynolds, through Elisha Eddins Reynolds, Ivy Solomon Reynolds, Floyd Reynolds and Loren Reynolds who was my father. Ivy Reynolds came to Johnson County about 1817 and the family was there for generations. I don't have an Edward Reynolds listed at this time, except for one back in England in 1575, and this is very questionable. Tell me about your line. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Acornbabies@aol.com> To: <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Reynolds > Hi Margaret, > I seen your posting on this list and I am sure I have probably spoke > with > you in the past. Can you please tell me what Reynolds line you are > connected > with? I too have Reynolds in my line, my line is Edward Reynolds and > Nancy > Davidson. > > Thank you > Brenda > >

Judy, my dear - you and Carolyn deserve *MORE* than roses! I am a lifetime member (out of state) of the Gen. Society and wish I could nominate both of you to some kind of 'honorary excellence' for all the work you have done behind (and in front) of the scenes, etc. You both are part of the great givers of Pope County Genealogy-Legacy, including Mildred McCormick, Faye Bowman all part of a longer list that I just can not quickly recall here. with very high regards -- carol /o\ /o\ /o\ == UdyDee43@aol.com wrote: > > > >In a message dated 10/12/2005 8:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >peggyjune@adelphia.net writes: > >Dear List, Yes, I, too, have praised the Pope County Marriage books to the >high heavens!!!! I have a question perhaps someone could address. I have >Murphy ancestors who were in Pope County from at least 1820, and probably >before that. If marriages were not listed , say between 1813-1825, where >would be some likely places? Obviously, Johnson County, but was there a >place or places that folks tended to go for marriages? >Margaret Reynolds Oliver >Margaret, Pope County was formed from Johnson & Gallatin Counties the 10th >of Jan 1816, before that you might try Randolph County. Sometimes it was >easier for couples to go by water, you could also check KY. I'm assuming alot of >marriages didn't make it to the courthouse to be recorded. We found where >J.Ps & ministers would bring in several marriages at one time, where did they >keep them, did they loose any? The marriages found on the first 10 pages of >our book were found in the front of Marriage Book A, leading us to believe >there was an earlier marriage book. But where, who knows. We also found some >unrecorded licenses in the courthouse, not many, but a few. So we have to go >to other records, deeds, probate records, etc. Hope this helps you. >Thanks, once again for the roses. Judy Foreman Lee > > > > > > > > >