I forgot to mention, I know I have "Joiner" relations in Dexter Mo. who are my fathers cousins. But, I don't know just yet how to tie them in. I was a child during the visiting and only know they were cousins. Since my family came from Pope Co. and Hardin Co. Illinois, I am sure there is some connection to the Joiners in Pope Co. I have been concentrating more on a couple of direct lines and haven't had time to pursue this family. If you learn of Joiners and Ledbetters together will you please forward to me. Thank YOu -----Original Message----- From: Laura1853 <Laura1853@aol.com> To: ilpope-l@rootsweb.com <ilpope-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 10:19 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Joyner/Joiner surname :Any information on the Joyner/ Joiner surname in the Illinois area. : :

I too have been looking for Joiners, Here is what I have on the Joiners of Southern Illinois in my data file Although some of the Joiners married into the Ledbetter family, I am trying to put this together. I have no connection at this time in my data file, although yesterday, I was reading documents and found one or more Ledbetter and Joiner couples together. As I am just getting started on this article, and was only highlighting my interest, I did not take notes. When I get back to the article, I will make notes as to relationships. Descendants of George Joiner 1 George Joiner 1885 - 1959 .. +Hattie Mae Ledbetter 1889 - ......... 2 Marion Joiner ......... 2 Curtis Joiner ......... 2 John Henry Joiner ......... 2 Golda Joiner ......... 2 Dorothy Joiner ......... 2 Lloyd Joiner ......... 2 Mary Joiner ......... 2 Katherine Joiner ......... 2 Alberta Joiner ......... 2 George Joiner ......... 2 [2] Wanda Joiner 1930 - ............. +Charles Kenneth Vinyard ......... *2nd Husband of [2] Wanda Joiner: ............. +James Shewmaher - 1995 -----Original Message----- From: Laura1853 <Laura1853@aol.com> To: ilpope-l@rootsweb.com <ilpope-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 10:19 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Joyner/Joiner surname :Any information on the Joyner/ Joiner surname in the Illinois area. : :

I do no not have much but maybe Laura Joiner / Baldwin data will help you. See below, please. That's all I have. This family connects with me via CRABBs. Good luck. Mary Descendants of George Riley Baldwin 1 George Riley Baldwin b: March 24, 1865 in Karbers Ridge, Il d: July 19, 1930 in Hardin Co. IL .. +Sarah E. Crabb b: September 05, 1869 in Pope Co. Il d: November 27, 1937 in Hardin Co. IL m: April 10, 1890 in Pope Co. Il Father: Thomas Wesley Crabb Mother: Rachel Elizabeth Nutt ......... 2 Elmer Baldwin b: July 15, 1892 in Elizabethtown, Il. Hardin Co. d: March 09, 1979 in Peoria, Il. ............. +Elsie Mae Colbert b: July 15, 1895 in Gallatin, Il. d: March 27, 1980 in Peoria, Il m: April 22, 1922 in Saline Co. Il Father: James J. Colbert Mother: Leona Prather .................... 3 Lowell Wayne Baldwin b: June 05, 1926 in Gallatin, Il. d: August 18, 1996 in Jefferson City, MO ........................ +Jeanette Jones b: Unknown m: 1947 in Peoria, Il Father: Mother: ............................... 4 Gary Baldwin b: Unknown ............................... 4 Michele Baldwin b: Unknown ................................... +? Cummings Father: Mother: .................... *2nd Wife of Lowell Wayne Baldwin: ........................ +Ethel May Rabel b: January 29, 1929 in Peoria, Il d: April 10, 1996 in Gravios Mills, MO m: July 14, 1976 in Bartonville, Il.Peoria Co. Father: Leslie Rabel Mother: Edna Harmon .................... 3 Glenn Baldwin b: Unknown .................... 3 Roy Baldwin b: Unknown .................... 3 Orvin Baldwin b: Unknown .................... 3 Mildred Baldwin b: Unknown ........................ +Robert Sturn Father: Mother: .................... *2nd Husband of Mildred Baldwin: ........................ +Willis Hargrave m: Unknown Father: Mother: .................... *3rd Husband of Mildred Baldwin: ........................ +Dave Jones m: Unknown Father: Mother: .................... 3 Virginia Baldwin b: Unknown ........................ +James Lane Father: Mother: .................... 3 Norma Baldwin b: Unknown ........................ +Roy Ellenburg Father: Mother: .................... *2nd Husband of Norma Baldwin: ........................ +Robert Howard Father: Mother: .................... 3 James Larue Baldwin b: August 25, 1934 in Eagle Creek, Il. Gallatin Co. d: September 26, 1934 in Saline Co. Il ......... 2 Edith Baldwin b: April 04, 1895 in IL d: January 20, 1982 ............. +Earl Colbert Father: Mother: ......... 2 Gertrude Baldwin b: October 1896 in IL d: 1965 ............. +Fred Cox Father: Mother: ......... 2 Arza Baldwin b: October 1898 in IL ............. +Bertie ? Father: Mother: ......... 2 George Dewey Baldwin b: March 1899 in Hardin Co. IL d: 1959 in IL ............. +Laura P Joiner b: Unknown Father: Mother: ......... *2nd Wife of George Dewey Baldwin: ............. +Anna M. ? Father: Mother: ......... 2 William Howard Baldwin b: November 10, 1901 in Hardin Co. IL d: October 19, 1974 in Hardin Co. IL ............. +Lorene Hayden b: Unknown m: November 26, 1936 Father: Mother: ......... 2 Bertha Baldwin b: Aft 1901 ............. +Loren Moore Father: Mother: ......... 2 Achie Baldwin b: Aft 1901 ............. +Maudie Oxford Father: Mother: At 11:16 PM 4/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >Any information on the Joyner/ Joiner surname in the Illinois area. > > >

tHANKS FOR YOUR REPLY REGARDING GORDON JOYNER. I WILL CHECK INTO IT. THANKS, LAURA

Laura, There was a Gordon Joyner that lived around Stonefort, Illinois, which would be either Williamson or Saline County, depending which side of Stonefort he lived on, but you may try those counties. I don't know if this name if of any interest. I only knew of him through my parents. I think, he was a singer in So. IL. I know no other details about him. Linda Holmes WHite

Any information on the Joyner/ Joiner surname in the Illinois area.

Mary Hudson wrote: > I am interested in what you have on the Joiner Families. If your Joiners > married into the Ledbetter families I am very much interested. > -----Original Message----- > From: John R. Williams <jrwill@midohio.net> > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 10:19 AM > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Answering the roll call > > Mary, "My" JOINER is my g-g-grandmother Julia JOINER (b. 6 Dec 1866, d. 17 Dec 1955) who, in 1883, married James Wilson SHOCKLEY (b. 5 May 1860, d. 3 Mar 1920) Unfortunately that's the extent of what I know about "my" JOINERs. I think her mother may have been Nancy, who as of the 1880 census was remarried to John HOGG in Hardin county. This is based on a census entry where the name and age fits but I haven't had a chance to explore this theory yet. I have, however, extracted many census entries for JOINER from both Pope and Hardin counties from 1870 through 1920, and including a couple of the state censuses. Out of curiosity I looked through these entries last night and found one from Hardin county in 1910 for a James F. JOINER, age 31, with a [first name illegible] LEDBETTER, male aged 23 listed as "Servant". James' profession was listed as Doctor of Medicine. They could well have been brothers-in-law or cousins. I don't know if this entry "fits" with any of your information, but I found it interesting. As I said, though, I do have a lot of JOINER census entries if there's anyone in particular you're looking for; just let me know. John

Sheryl Burns wrote: > To: John R. Williams > > I noticed you have HENSON as a research name in Pope Co., IL. I am > looking for a connection. I have my gg-grandfather's 3rd wife was > HENSON. > > >From Massac Co., IL marriages 1890-1895: > > OWENS, Samuel Thomas, Massac Co. farmer, born in Humphreys Co. TN > married on 21 Nov 1894 > > HENSON, Emily L. age 23, born in Pope Co daughter of Thomas J. HENSON > and M. J. PUNNELS ----- Emma Lucinda HENSON born June 1872 died > 26 Jan 1924 > > Samuel & Emma had seven children: > Effie b:1895 > Lula b:1897 > Barney b:1899 > Fred W. b:1904 > Melissa b:1905 > Henry b:1910 > Elva b:1912 > > Is this HENSON in your research? > > Sheryl Burns Sheryl, My HENSON line starts with my grandmother, Daisy HENSON (b. 8 Aug 1904, d. Nov 1975) daughter of John W. HENSON (b. 14 Apr 1883, d. 24 Mar 1938) and Lee Alice SHOCKLEY (b. Nov 1884, d. 22 Feb 1979); John was the son of Abraham P. HENSON (b. ?, d. 5 Jun 1887) and Annabelle BARBER (b. ?, d. ?). "My" Hensons were from Hardin county and I haven't uncovered any other information yet about "my" Hensons so I don't know if or where they may fit in. Now in answer to your question, I have extracted many HENSON entries from several censuses for both Pope and Hardin counties. Looking through them I found an entry in Pope County, Jefferson precinct for the 1880 Federal Census for a Thomas HENSON, with wife Melissa, two sons and two daughters (the eldest child being Emma, age 8) and also his father, Thomas. There were also two other people in the household, a Fredonia and Charles ROBINSON (appears to be a mother and son, but no relationship to Thomas HENSON is indicated). I'm not sure if this is the family you referred to, but it seems to fit. If you don't already have this census entry I can mail you a copy -- just let me know. As I said, I have several HENSON census entries on file so I can look for others if needed. John

Denise Avery-simmons wrote: > > Hi Dave, > In answer to your question- I do not know much about the "Kickasola > Trail" only that I have a snap-shot of the trail sign and the number of > the trail,no. 81. It is near Unionville and Brookport IL. My family > is said to have "blazed" this trail as early pioneers to the area. But > altough I have the snap-shot, I have never been able to get confirmation > on this from the State of IL. We do have a JACOBS in our tree! My Uncle > Louis Kickasola married Jean Jacobs and > begat-Raymond,Lorraine,Joseph,louis, and John. our JEAN JACOBS WAS FROM > ANTWERP,BELGIUM. IF THIS MATCHES LET ME KNOW. > > T.U. > DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS. > > JOYFUL CREATING > DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS Denise, What approximate date are you speaking of? I have traced the Jacobs in Pope County to the 1850's. Prior to that, I believe they migrated from Tennessee. Before this time, I do not know. Dave

Denise Avery-simmons wrote: > > OUR FAMILY FARM WAS IN POPE CNTY. THE ORIGINAL FAMILY NAME IS KICKASOLA. > THEY BLAZED THE 'KICKASOLA TRAIL' TRAIL NO. 81. > OTHER FAMILY NAMES IN THE AREA INCLUDE > MOREFIELD,HOUSE,CHITTENDON,BELLE,DUGGER,MORRISON,WELLS,LAWRENCE,ANTWERP,JACOBS,DORNBUSH,LIND,O'BRIAN. > ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE > EVER TRIED TO RESEARCH THIS SIDE. THANK YOU. > > JOYFUL CREATING > BLESSED BE ! Hello, My name is Dave Jacobs. I am researching the JACOBS line in Pope County and have found a Mary WILLIAMS. Do you have any information other than what you stated above. What is the Kickasola Trail No.81? Dave Jacobs djacobs@siue.edu

Denise Avery-simmons wrote: > > Hi Dave, > In answer to your question- I do not know much about the "Kickasola > Trail" only that I have a snap-shot of the trail sign and the number of > the trail,no. 81. It is near Unionville and Brookport IL. My family > is said to have "blazed" this trail as early pioneers to the area. But > altough I have the snap-shot, I have never been able to get confirmation > on this from the State of IL. We do have a JACOBS in our tree! My Uncle > Louis Kickasola married Jean Jacobs and > begat-Raymond,Lorraine,Joseph,louis, and John. our JEAN JACOBS WAS FROM > ANTWERP,BELGIUM. IF THIS MATCHES LET ME KNOW. > > T.U. > DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS. > > JOYFUL CREATING > DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS The descriptions and financial records concerning early trails may often be found in the county records. Deed descriptions and land abstracts identify the easements for the road. County records describe the labor provided by the land owners required to build and maintain the road. They also contain property tax records to show a property tax debtor reduced the property taxes they owed by performing maintenance on the county road. Searches through the Pope County land records and the indexes for any county roads and highways may provide some information and point to later state records as well. Although they may have been drafted too late, the U.S. Geological Survey has microfilm copies in black & white of their obsolete topographic maps. One of the earlier maps from the late 19th century and early 20th century may help. Dallas Patterson nye@fidalgo.net

Hi Dave, In answer to your question- I do not know much about the "Kickasola Trail" only that I have a snap-shot of the trail sign and the number of the trail,no. 81. It is near Unionville and Brookport IL. My family is said to have "blazed" this trail as early pioneers to the area. But altough I have the snap-shot, I have never been able to get confirmation on this from the State of IL. We do have a JACOBS in our tree! My Uncle Louis Kickasola married Jean Jacobs and begat-Raymond,Lorraine,Joseph,louis, and John. our JEAN JACOBS WAS FROM ANTWERP,BELGIUM. IF THIS MATCHES LET ME KNOW. T.U. DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS. JOYFUL CREATING DENISE AVERY-SIMMONS

Dean Webb wrote: > > Found this in Pope Co. records: > June 5, 1843 - William Morris - a poorchild, born August 1, 1840, was > indentrued to Caleb Cotton by the county commissioners. William agreed > to serve faithfully until the age of 21 and not to absent himself from > his master. Cotton agreed to provide good comfortable lodging, diet and > medical aid and to teach William or to have him taught to read, write > and the ground rules of arithmetic and the art of farming. Cotton also > agreed to provide William with a new Bible and two new suits of clothes > at the expiratiion of his term. > Does anyone have any information on this Willliam Morris or Caleb > Cotton? > > Also looking for information on Charles G. Yewell born July 24, 1826 and > John Yewell born April 25, 1828, sons of John Yewell who was deceased in > 1836. These two children were indentured to James Fulkerson by the > County Commissioners on Dec 5 , 1836 . Thomas Yewell guardian, took > Charles and John and released James Fulkerson from the agreement on May > 14, 1842. This agreement was rescended in December 1847 by mutual > agreement of both parties. > I would be interested on any information regarding the Ewell family and > especially on the James Fulkerson ( also spelled Fulkinson). > Thank You > Marla WebbMarla The YEWELL family is my wife's line. Thomas YEWELL is her ancestor. I have some information on the family. Thomas and John were brothers. They were sons of John and Elizabeth YEWELL, came to Pope Co. before it was a county. Will be glad to answer questions and/or exchange info. Rick Allen, C.G.R.S.

Found this in Pope Co. records: June 5, 1843 - William Morris - a poorchild, born August 1, 1840, was indentrued to Caleb Cotton by the county commissioners. William agreed to serve faithfully until the age of 21 and not to absent himself from his master. Cotton agreed to provide good comfortable lodging, diet and medical aid and to teach William or to have him taught to read, write and the ground rules of arithmetic and the art of farming. Cotton also agreed to provide William with a new Bible and two new suits of clothes at the expiratiion of his term. Does anyone have any information on this Willliam Morris or Caleb Cotton? Also looking for information on Charles G. Yewell born July 24, 1826 and John Yewell born April 25, 1828, sons of John Yewell who was deceased in 1836. These two children were indentured to James Fulkerson by the County Commissioners on Dec 5 , 1836 . Thomas Yewell guardian, took Charles and John and released James Fulkerson from the agreement on May 14, 1842. This agreement was rescended in December 1847 by mutual agreement of both parties. I would be interested on any information regarding the Ewell family and especially on the James Fulkerson ( also spelled Fulkinson). Thank You Marla Webb

Better late than never. My names for POPE COUNTY are: Micajah Rose/Elizabeth Ogdon(Ogden) George H. Rose/Sarah Jane Wallace John Wesley Rose/Margaret ShuffleBarger Sarah E. Rose/James Wilson McSparin Mary Ann Rose/William Stephen McSparin Micajah Rose Jr./Martha Hall Daniel Rosecrans Rose/Fannie Mount James Hughey Rose Dempsey Rose/Hattie Mount Elisha Cicero Rose/Eliza Snyder Most born, raised and died in Upper Pope Cemetery. Anyone having any information, your help would be appreciated Judy Carlson e-mail normcarlson@sprintmail.com

The 1830 Census of Pope County, Illinois shows a James WARD living there as the head of a household. Living with him are 1 male under age 5, 1 male age 5 to 9, 1 male age 10 to 14, 1 male age 15 to 19, 1 male age 20 to 29 and 1 male (I presume James) age 50 to 59, and 1 female age 10 to 14, 1 female age 15 to 19 and 1 female (I presume James' spouse) age 40 to 49. I'm looking for a bio on this man or an obituary. Any ideas as to how I can find them? Would sure appreciate your help, if so. Thanks, Carl Ward cwward@anet-stL.com

I've posted my Samuel Thomas OWENS of Pope Co. before, but I don't recall checking on wife #1 & #2 OWENS, Samuel T. to STAFFORD, Demis on 20 Jul 1879. She was born abt 1858 in Pope Co., IL and believed to have died May-Jun 1880 in childbirth as Samuel was listed in 1880 census as widowed with baby girl, Lottie May born May 1880. E.J. STAFFORD of Pope Co. was listed as parent of Demis. OWENS, Samuel T. to FINCH, Martha T. on 11 Nov 1880. She was born 1862 in Massac Co., daughter of Doctor F. FINCH and Nancy E. ALSOP. They had at least three children children Nancy b:? , Millie J. b: March 1886 and Blitha G. b Aug 1890. Any additional info. would be appreciated. Sheryl Burns

To: John R. Williams I noticed you have HENSON as a research name in Pope Co., IL. I am looking for a connection. I have my gg-grandfather's 3rd wife was HENSON. >From Massac Co., IL marriages 1890-1895: OWENS, Samuel Thomas, Massac Co. farmer, born in Humphreys Co. TN married on 21 Nov 1894 HENSON, Emily L. age 23, born in Pope Co daughter of Thomas J. HENSON and M. J. PUNNELS ----- Emma Lucinda HENSON born June 1872 died 26 Jan 1924 Samuel & Emma had seven children: Effie b:1895 Lula b:1897 Barney b:1899 Fred W. b:1904 Melissa b:1905 Henry b:1910 Elva b:1912 Is this HENSON in your research? Sheryl Burns

Linda Killingsworth wrote: > > I am researching Shufflebargers, S.Bargers, Bargers in Pope County. Have > an extensive file and would be glad to share. Connected lines in Pope > are Jacobs, Williams, Yates. Linda Killingsworth Linda, I have a Jonathan Abbott who married Mary SBarger and his nephew, Wiley Abbott, married Amanda Sbarger. I believe they were sisters. Do you have any info on them? Opal

David Jacobs wrote: > > Linda Killingsworth wrote: > > > > I am researching Shufflebargers, S.Bargers, Bargers in Pope County. Have > > an extensive file and would be glad to share. Connected lines in Pope > > are Jacobs, Williams, Yates. Linda Killingsworth > > Linda, > > I am searching for information on John J. Jacobs, born in IL in Sept of > 1857. He married Eitha Elizabeth (unknown maiden name, possibly India?) > who was born in March of 1858. They later moved to Alexander County. > Do you have any information? I have information from a 1900 Alexander > County Census naming seven children. > > Any information on this family could help, > > Thank you, > > Dave Jacobs Dave, I found a note in my files from several years ago from Mr. Wayne Miller, 396 N.W. 18 St., Homestead, Fla 33030. He was looking for information for John James Jacobs, born Sept 30, 1857 in Eddyville, IL and Etha IndaAnn Lauderdale, born March 26, 1858 in Eddyville, IL. I didn't pursue this because I don't believe it is my family. My Greatgrandfather was Wm. Henry Jacobs, married to Pernecia Pugh. My grandfather was James Jacobs, married to Sarah Della Yates. Also found this on the Jacobs school in a publication on the 75 country schools of Pope County: "The Jacobs school was located in the southeastern part of Pope County on the banks of the Ohio River. Not a lot of information is available about this school. It was probably like the other little one room country schools of those days. I.A. Russell of Hamletsburg taught in 1910 for a salary of $45.00 a month. Since Hamletsburg was close to the neighboring school district of Jacobs, it is possible that he lived at home and rode a horse back and forth. Declining enrollment closed the school and sent the children to a school in the area where they lived." Just checked the marriage records for Pope County and found this: John J. Jacobs, Born Pope County, Farmer, 1st marriage, son of Coleman Jacobs and Mary S. Linson, age 23...married Feb 12 1880 to Etha Indiana Lauderdale, born Pope County, first marriage, daughter of Lewis Lauderdale and Mary (Marg??) Williams, age 22. Marriage performed by Simon S.Barger, J.P., witness Hiram Lauderdale. Married at the residence of Newton Lauderdale. Applicant for license was John J. Jacobs. Hope this is of some help. Strange: My greatgrandmother's name was Etha Inda Williams, married to Benjamin F. Yates. Wonder what the inspiration for Etha Inda (Indiana) was? Linda