Don't you think the Greenbury middle name might have been the mother's maiden name? For sure it was a family name. Deane

Sharon, Thanks for the information. Does anyone else have ancestors who attended Stoney Point school in the mid-1800s? Jim Doody

It is in the book. Stony Point was located on the center of the county where John's lumber co. is today (route 46), west of Golconda. 9 pupils attended in 1949 when it was closed. There is a picture of the school and the 1912 class. Sharon Brown > ---------- > From: Brown, Sharon[SMTP:Sbrown@mccracken.k12.ky.us] > Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 12. janúar 1999 07:49 > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Hemphill Cem. Mr. SMITH's information > > I'll check tonight...Get back to you... > Sharon Brown > > > ---------- > > From: Doodyj@aol.com[SMTP:Doodyj@aol.com] > > Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: 11. janúar 1999 13:55 > > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Hemphill Cem. Mr. SMITH's information > > > > Sharon, > > No, I don't have the book, but I am fairly new to Pope County > researching. > > My > > grandfather, Clarence Schumacher (b. 1864) used to talk about a school > > that he > > and other members of his family attended. I think the name of it was > > Stoney > > Point. If I am not mistaken, there might also have been a church by that > > name. > > Many of my ancestors are buried nearby. Do you have any information on > > that > > school? If so, I would like to have it. > > Thanks, > > Jim Doody > > >

Birth certificates were not issued until about fifty years ago. When social security began to make payments and Social Security required proof of birth. For all of you who do not find birth certificates on people born earlier in the 1900s, look at the 1940s for such. This was the time frame when people scrambled to prove their birth in the event they wanted to draw social security benfits at some future point. That is not to say that SOME counties in SOME states did not records births. Some did indeed record the birth of infants. No certification was issued. Church records would probably have the information on the birth of children. Catholic records being the best kept and Baptist records down at the bottom of the list. Dee Doyle -----Original Message----- From: JoAnn Daniel <jo&leo@mako.com> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:45 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Bowman-Bridges > > >> >Still searching for information on William J. BOMAN (BOWMAN) who married >> >Amanda BRIDGES in Pope county on May 8, 1873. I just received the copy >of >> >their marriage certificate and was soooooo excited--only to find out it >> >didn't have any new information, no application process with who his >> >parents were or who her parents were. I was so hoping that it would be >on >> >the cert.---but apparently because they were both of age they didn't >have >> >to fill out any other paper work. > >> >They had two children that I know of, John Louis who married Agnes >> >JUSTICE, they were married in Anna, Union County IL---they then moved to >> >New Madrid County MO. I'm not sure of the year. > >> >the other child was Maude and I think she was a year or so older than >John >> >Louis, but the birthdates I have don't match with the dates on the >marriage >> >certificate--I wrote Pope County about their Birth certificates and >nothing >> >was found. > >> >I found a lead in Lawrence County MO, there was an Amanda Bridges >daughter >> >of George Bridges and Mary Parmley---but I am not sure of the connection >> >the dates are pretty close--but I am still looking. > >> >If anyone out there has any info they would like to share or want any of >> >mine let me know I'll be more than happy to share with you. > Jo > >> > >> >. >

> >Still searching for information on William J. BOMAN (BOWMAN) who married > >Amanda BRIDGES in Pope county on May 8, 1873. I just received the copy of > >their marriage certificate and was soooooo excited--only to find out it > >didn't have any new information, no application process with who his > >parents were or who her parents were. I was so hoping that it would be on > >the cert.---but apparently because they were both of age they didn't have > >to fill out any other paper work. > >They had two children that I know of, John Louis who married Agnes > >JUSTICE, they were married in Anna, Union County IL---they then moved to > >New Madrid County MO. I'm not sure of the year. > >the other child was Maude and I think she was a year or so older than John > >Louis, but the birthdates I have don't match with the dates on the marriage > >certificate--I wrote Pope County about their Birth certificates and nothing > >was found. > >I found a lead in Lawrence County MO, there was an Amanda Bridges daughter > >of George Bridges and Mary Parmley---but I am not sure of the connection > >the dates are pretty close--but I am still looking. > >If anyone out there has any info they would like to share or want any of > >mine let me know I'll be more than happy to share with you. Jo > > > >.

I am looking for information on the following children of James WAGONER and Esther VANBIBBER. 1. William H. Wagoner married Sarah Goosby on March 29, 1879 in Pope Co., Ill. 2. Martin Glass married Martha Wagoner on April 17, 1879 in Pope Co., Ill. 3. Robert Wagoner married Mary J. Southern on August 21, 1879 in Pope Co., Ill. 4. Jacob Wagoner married Manerva A. Glass on July 21, 1880 in Pope Co., Ill. 5. John Wagoner married Martha Ewell. (Date unknown). Gary R. Hawpe.......San Diego, CA.

Maybe nothing. It has only been of recent years that people used three ( or more ) names. A middle name was often just an initial. And prior to 1800, it was extremely unlikely to find anyone with even an initial as a middle name. Used as a first name is less common, but I think the explanation would hole true. Dee Doyle -----Original Message----- From: Brown, Sharon <Sbrown@mccracken.k12.ky.us> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >Does anyone know what the J. stands for in J. Greenberry Lands? Also, only >J. Gree Lands is on his stone. >Sharon Brown > >> ---------- >> From: Kay239@aol.com[SMTP:Kay239@aol.com] >> Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: 11. janúar 1999 20:44 >> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >> >> I'm also curious as to who and why in the world someone would name their >> baby >> boy Greenberry! >> >> Well, they named my hubbies great grand father Thomas William Appleberry >> SISTLER. So I guess during that time the berry of one sort or another was >> a >> poplar name for a boy. >> >> Kay >> of the PALMER/SISTLER/SCHUCHARDT/MAXWELL/HOLLOWAY and related families >> >

Does anyone know what the J. stands for in J. Greenberry Lands? Also, only J. Gree Lands is on his stone. Sharon Brown > ---------- > From: Kay239@aol.com[SMTP:Kay239@aol.com] > Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 11. janúar 1999 20:44 > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY > > I'm also curious as to who and why in the world someone would name their > baby > boy Greenberry! > > Well, they named my hubbies great grand father Thomas William Appleberry > SISTLER. So I guess during that time the berry of one sort or another was > a > poplar name for a boy. > > Kay > of the PALMER/SISTLER/SCHUCHARDT/MAXWELL/HOLLOWAY and related families >

I know a Harry and Rosy Hiney.. Sharon Brown > ---------- > From: Faye Bowman[SMTP:fayebow@shawneelink.net] > Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 11. janúar 1999 21:54 > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Name > > And then there was a boy named Ellsberry Parmley that grew up to be a > noted preacher in Pope County . He was fondly referred to as "Elder > Berry." Wonder how many names included "berry"? > Faye > > > I have added more obits and biographies to my homepage recently that > might be of help to some of you. > -- > Check out my homepage > http://members.accessus.net/~abowman/Faye.htm > > Please update your address book. > My new e-mail address is: > fayebow@shawneelink.net > >

I'll check tonight...Get back to you... Sharon Brown > ---------- > From: Doodyj@aol.com[SMTP:Doodyj@aol.com] > Reply To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 11. janúar 1999 13:55 > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Hemphill Cem. Mr. SMITH's information > > Sharon, > No, I don't have the book, but I am fairly new to Pope County researching. > My > grandfather, Clarence Schumacher (b. 1864) used to talk about a school > that he > and other members of his family attended. I think the name of it was > Stoney > Point. If I am not mistaken, there might also have been a church by that > name. > Many of my ancestors are buried nearby. Do you have any information on > that > school? If so, I would like to have it. > Thanks, > Jim Doody >

Ginger suggested that we share our genealogy histories. So here goes! This is the Whiteside family connected to Rilla Bowman. I welcome additions and corrections and hope this might help others with related family. Faye Descendants of James Whiteside Generation No. 1 1. James1 Whiteside was born Abt. 1760 in VA, and died 1803 in Sumner County, Tennessee. He married Mary Patricia "Patty". Children of James Whiteside and Mary "Patty" are: 2 i. Anna2 Whiteside, born 1779; died 1849. 3 ii. James Armstrong Whiteside, born 1782; died 1848. 4 iii. William Whiteside, born 1787. 5 iv. Elizabeth Whiteside, born 1789. 6 v. Mary (Polly) Whiteside, born 1791. + 7 vi. John Whiteside, born September 10, 1794 in Georgia; died August 03, 1855 in Pope County, IL. Generation No. 2 7. John2 Whiteside (James1) was born September 10, 1794 in Georgia, and died August 03, 1855 in Pope County, IL. He married Eupha Delia Shearer February 08, 1816 in (Johnson County) Territory of Illinois.. Children of John Whiteside and Eupha Shearer are: 8 i. Mary3 Whiteside, born 1817; died 1859. 9 ii. James A. Whiteside, born 1819; died 1878. + 10 iii. David C. Whiteside, born December 19, 1821; died September 1896 in (buried in Glendale Methodist Cemetery, Pope Co., IL). 11 iv. Elizabeth Ann Whiteside, born 1823; died 1871. 12 v. John Simpson Whiteside, born 1824; died 1888. 13 vi. William Reasoner Whiteside, born 1826; died 1884. 14 vii. India E. Whiteside, born 1828; died 1897. 15 viii. Mathilda Jane Whiteside, born 1829; died 1869. 16 ix. Sidney A. Whiteside, born 1831; died 1861. 17 x. Eupha Adaline Whiteside, born 1833; died 1908. 18 xi. Margaret Narsisus Whiteside, born 1834. 19 xii. Esther Whiteside, born 1836; died 1837. 20 xiii. Sarah Catherine Whiteside, born 1839; died 1909. Generation No. 3 10. David C.3 Whiteside (John2, James1) was born December 19, 1821, and died September 1896 in (buried in Glendale Methodist Cemetery, Pope Co., IL). He married Helender (Ellen) Louisa Harper February 21, 1845 in Pope County, IL. Children of David Whiteside and Helender Harper are: + 21 i. John Greenleaf4 Whiteside, born December 28, 1846; died October 24, 1894 in Pope County, IL; buried in Eddyville.. 22 ii. India E. Whiteside, born 1847. 23 iii. Amanda Catherine Whiteside, born 1850. Generation No. 4 21. John Greenleaf4 Whiteside (David C.3, John2, James1) was born December 28, 1846, and died October 24, 1894 in Pope County, IL; buried in Eddyville.. He married Margaret Elmina Gilbert February 16, 1871 in Pope County, IL, daughter of James Gilbert and Minerva Rose. Children of John Whiteside and Margaret Gilbert are: + 24 i. William Henry5 Whiteside, born March 19, 1872 in Eddyville, Pope County, Illinois; died January 01, 1923 in Golconda, IL.buried in Eddyville Cemetery, Eddyville, Pope Co. IL.. + 25 ii. Orella C. Whiteside, born September 05, 1875 in near Eddyville, IL; died December 24, 1934. + 26 iii. Minerva Elizabeth Whiteside, born March 26, 1876; died May 08, 1942 in Buried in Glendale Methodist Cemetery, Pope County, IL.. 27 iv. Phillip D. Whiteside, born June 05, 1878 in Pope Co., IL; died December 27, 1892 in buried in Old Home Church Cemetery near Eddyville, IL.. 28 v. Essie Ellen Whiteside, born October 26, 1880 in Pope Co., IL; died August 07, 1956 in Buried in Old Home Church Cemetery near Eddyville, IL.. 29 vi. Harry G. Whiteside, born March 03, 1883 in Hardin County, IL.; died October 04, 1918 in Washington, D. C.. He married Ella Holloway January 01, 1914. 30 vii. India C. Whiteside, born June 03, 1886; died July 13, 1901 in buried in Old Home Church Cemetery near Eddyville, IL.. 31 viii. Elbert Burton Whiteside, born October 31, 1889; died May 02, 1920 in Anna, Union County, IL; buried in Old Home Church Cemetery. Generation No. 5 24. William Henry5 Whiteside (John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born March 19, 1872 in Eddyville, Pope County, Illinois, and died January 01, 1923 in Golconda, IL.buried in Eddyville Cemetery, Eddyville, Pope Co. IL.. He married (1) Sarah Irene Davidson May 13, 1891 in Pope County, IL, daughter of J. Davidson. He married (2) Rilla Jane Bowman January 02, 1905 in New Madrid, Missouri, daughter of Joshua Bowman and Mary Parmley. Children of William Whiteside and Sarah Davidson are: + 32 i. Pascal6 Whiteside, born January 01, 1901; died September 09, 1956 in Collinsville, IL. 33 ii. Amy E. Whiteside, born August 03, 1891; died May 31, 1904 in Buried in Eddyville Cemetery, Eddyville, Pope Co. IL.. 34 iii. Cedric D. Whiteside, born August 24, 1903; died February 16, 1905 in Buried in Eddyville Cemetery, Eddyville, Pope Co. IL.. Children of William Whiteside and Rilla Bowman are: + 35 i. Dee Lannes6 Whiteside, born November 15, 1906; died July 31, 1993 in ( buried in Memorial Gardens, Belleville, IL.. 36 ii. Genevieve Whiteside, born November 03, 1912 in Golconda, Pope County, IL.; died February 04, 1990. She married Henry Thurman. 25. Orella C.5 Whiteside (John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born September 05, 1875 in near Eddyville, IL, and died December 24, 1934. She married Marlow B. Holloway September 10, 1891 in Pope Co., IL. Children of Orella Whiteside and Marlow Holloway are: 37 i. Earl6 Holloway. + 38 ii. Eric Holloway, born 1896; died 1949. + 39 iii. Cleeta Holloway, born 1903. 40 iv. Chestine Vera Holloway, born December 29, 1907. She married Iris Beryl Randolph April 23, 1928. 41 v. Harry Reginald Holloway. 26. Minerva Elizabeth5 Whiteside (John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born March 26, 1876, and died May 08, 1942 in Buried in Glendale Methodist Cemetery, Pope County, IL.. She married Alonzo "Lon" Barger Unknown. Child of Minerva Whiteside and Alonzo Barger is: 42 i. Wilma S.6 Barger. Generation No. 6 32. Pascal6 Whiteside (William Henry5, John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born January 01, 1901, and died September 09, 1956 in Collinsville, IL. He married Sylvia Siener Unknown. Children of Pascal Whiteside and Sylvia Siener are: 43 i. William "Henry"7 Whiteside, born March 28, 1923 in Pope Co., IL; died May 23, 1979 in Belleview,IL. He married Mildred Lucille Turner Unknown. 44 ii. Len Wilburn Whiteside, born September 08, 1926. He married (1) Viola Unknown. He married (2) Mary Moad Unknown. 45 iii. Cleaburn Kirby Whiteside, born September 13, 1928 in Pope Co., IL; died August 22, 1979 in Golconda, IL.. He married Delores Dahmer Unknown. 46 iv. Knowlton Whiteside, born March 11, 1932. He married Jeannie Unknown. 47 v. Phyllis Whiteside. She married Robert Bovinett Unknown. 35. Dee Lannes6 Whiteside (William Henry5, John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born November 15, 1906, and died July 31, 1993 in ( buried in Memorial Gardens, Belleville, IL.. He married (1) Lelia Irene Cossey Abt. 1930. He married (2) Ruth Mohr August 13, 1955 in Granite City, Illinois. He married (3) Gertrude Clark June 13, 1970 in Yorkville, Illinois. Children of Dee Whiteside and Lelia Cossey are: 48 i. BebeJune7 Whiteside, born March 02, 1931 in Pope County, Il; died May 06, 1997 in Phoenix, Arizona at home.. She married Ted Ferrel Unknown. 49 ii. Betty Jean Whiteside, born January 18, 1933. She married (1) Robert Roberts Abt. 1951. She married (2) Stephen Eastwood Aft. 1960. She married (3) Charnell Aft. 1970. 50 iii. Harry Lee Whiteside, born December 31, 1935; died February 06, 1964 in at work. He married Wanda Williams. 51 iv. Robert Dee Whiteside, born January 11, 1938. 38. Eric6 Holloway (Orella C.5 Whiteside, John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born 1896, and died 1949. He married Marguerite Blakely Unknown. Child of Eric Holloway and Marguerite Blakely is: 52 i. Marilyn7 Holloway. She married Roy Rapp Unknown. 39. Cleeta6 Holloway (Orella C.5 Whiteside, John Greenleaf4, David C.3, John2, James1) was born 1903. She married (1) Walter Jackson. She married (2) Elbert "Chub" Belcher Unknown. Children of Cleeta Holloway and Elbert Belcher are: 53 i. Erple7 Belcher, born February 19, 1925 in Eddyville, Pope Co. IL. He married Mildred McDonald November 04, 1951. 54 ii. Don Belcher. -- Check out my homepage http://members.accessus.net/~abowman/Faye.htm Please update your address book. My new e-mail address is: fayebow@shawneelink.net -- Check out my homepage http://members.accessus.net/~abowman/Faye.htm Please update your address book. My new e-mail address is: fayebow@shawneelink.net

Requesting a lookup on the Pope Co 1890 census, James DAVIS. Wife Elizabeth with at least one child Mary.

Requesting a 1900 Pope Co lookup for Arthur Amos SHEWMAKER. Mary India DAVIS b abt 1878 m "at the home of brides parents Herod, Pope Co" Arthur Amos SHEWMAKER 15 Aug 1897. Mary d abt 1900 shortly after giving birth to their only child Charles S. SHEWMAKER b 18 Oct 1899.

Mary India DAVIS, daughter of James DAVIS and Eliza HUTCHINSON. Mary b Pope Co abt 1878, m Arthur Amos SHEWMAKER, 15 Aug 1897 "at the brides parents home near Herod, Pope Co." d abt 1900 shortly after childbirth to only son Charles S. SHEWMAKER b 18 Oct 1899.

How about Green Brush and Harry Brush? I said previously I had thought about writing a book. Most of my material has come out of Pope County alone. Dee Doyle -----Original Message----- From: Ginger <gingerh@intrnet.net> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >To give you a little chuckle. When I helped sort the >Saline Co birth records, after a move from storage, I >ran across the following birth record: > >Father: Thorny Bush >Mother: Rosa Bush > >child: Berry Bush > >Truth is always stranger than fiction. <grin> > >Ginger >gingerh@intrnet.net >ILGenWeb Page Evaluation Coordinator >ILGenWeb ASC >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb >Pope County ILGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpope >Hardin County ILGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhardi2 > > >---------- >> From: Kay239@aol.com >> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:44 PM >> >> I'm also curious as to who and why in the world someone would name their baby >> boy Greenberry! >> >> Well, they named my hubbies great grand father Thomas William Appleberry >> SISTLER. So I guess during that time the berry of one sort or another was a >> poplar name for a boy. >> >> Kay >> of the PALMER/SISTLER/SCHUCHARDT/MAXWELL/HOLLOWAY and related families >

How about Harry Brush and Green Brush? I previously said I had planned to write a book. I have most of the material from Pope County alone. Dee Doyle -----Original Message----- From: Ginger <gingerh@intrnet.net> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >To give you a little chuckle. When I helped sort the >Saline Co birth records, after a move from storage, I >ran across the following birth record: > >Father: Thorny Bush >Mother: Rosa Bush > >child: Berry Bush > >Truth is always stranger than fiction. <grin> > >Ginger >gingerh@intrnet.net >ILGenWeb Page Evaluation Coordinator >ILGenWeb ASC >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb >Pope County ILGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpope >Hardin County ILGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhardi2 > > >---------- >> From: Kay239@aol.com >> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY >> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:44 PM >> >> I'm also curious as to who and why in the world someone would name their baby >> boy Greenberry! >> >> Well, they named my hubbies great grand father Thomas William Appleberry >> SISTLER. So I guess during that time the berry of one sort or another was a >> poplar name for a boy. >> >> Kay >> of the PALMER/SISTLER/SCHUCHARDT/MAXWELL/HOLLOWAY and related families >

A good many, I assure you. Then you can go to the surname, Brush. Dee -----Original Message----- From: Faye Bowman <fayebow@shawneelink.net> To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com <ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 9:51 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Name >And then there was a boy named Ellsberry Parmley that grew up to be a >noted preacher in Pope County . He was fondly referred to as "Elder >Berry." Wonder how many names included "berry"? >Faye > > >I have added more obits and biographies to my homepage recently that >might be of help to some of you. >-- >Check out my homepage >http://members.accessus.net/~abowman/Faye.htm > >Please update your address book. >My new e-mail address is: >fayebow@shawneelink.net > >

To give you a little chuckle. When I helped sort the Saline Co birth records, after a move from storage, I ran across the following birth record: Father: Thorny Bush Mother: Rosa Bush child: Berry Bush Truth is always stranger than fiction. <grin> Ginger gingerh@intrnet.net ILGenWeb Page Evaluation Coordinator ILGenWeb ASC http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb Pope County ILGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpope Hardin County ILGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhardi2 ---------- > From: Kay239@aol.com > To: ILPOPE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] GREENBERRY > Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:44 PM > > I'm also curious as to who and why in the world someone would name their baby > boy Greenberry! > > Well, they named my hubbies great grand father Thomas William Appleberry > SISTLER. So I guess during that time the berry of one sort or another was a > poplar name for a boy. > > Kay > of the PALMER/SISTLER/SCHUCHARDT/MAXWELL/HOLLOWAY and related families

And then there was a boy named Ellsberry Parmley that grew up to be a noted preacher in Pope County . He was fondly referred to as "Elder Berry." Wonder how many names included "berry"? Faye I have added more obits and biographies to my homepage recently that might be of help to some of you. -- Check out my homepage http://members.accessus.net/~abowman/Faye.htm Please update your address book. My new e-mail address is: fayebow@shawneelink.net

I don't know the history behind the name either---would like to though as I had an uncle Greenberry GREER plus a couple more Greenberry's back in time. It would be interesting to find out how it originated. Jo