John W. King b. 1817 Va., d. 4 Apr 1884, s/o John King and Margret Anderson King. He married Elizabeth Ann S. Barger 22 Mar 1838 Pope Co. Their children were: Isaac Martin "Mart", William, James Anderson, Alexander Franklin, Silas, John Richard, Sarah D., Abraham "Uncle Charlie". Can we make a connection? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Maue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you tell > me > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. > and > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > commercial > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about the > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's Ferry, > but > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James Henry > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. Matilda > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > Memphis, TN > > >

Could someone please do a 1910 Saline Co. census look up for William H. and Lenora Harlow? Thanks, Jan

In an effort to prevent any further circulation of incorrect information, I wanted to let you know that I obtained a copy of the original HAZEL / ROLSTON marriage record that the Illinois State Archives had posted on their online marriage index. Some of you had seen this listed as 'Robert Hazel and Roda Rolston'. However, the actual records says RICHARD, not ROBERT. I have since sent a scan of the original document to the ISA, and they have already made the correction on the website based on the original document. They explained that the site was created by volunteer help, and as always, original sources should be consulted. Following is a transcription of the marriage record . . . 1807: "Indiana Territory Randolph County, 8th day of January, Richard Hazel and Roda Rolston both of the county and Territory aforesaid came before me Robert Hay a Justice of the peace for the sd. County and was married and by _____ of a license from the Governor. Robert Hays" Debbie McArdle (Desc. from Daniel Hazel's daughter, Sarah "Sally" Hazel who married 1st James N. Hill and who married 2nd John Ward.)

Carol, The church is probably Mt. Zion near Rock. Susan

here's a little more i found with a google search, i don't know how much you have so this may all be old news to you. incidentally, since anderson and susan were not married until 1854 i looked for susan young in TN and found one in 1850 census, davidson co, 2nd sub Division, page 330 thinking perhaps she may not have moved to IL yet and perhaps still with parents? from http://www.verblefamily.com/d0006/g0000042.html#I1066 Anderson Bird RANDOLPH 27 Aug 1832 - 4 Mar 1863 · BIRTH: 27 Aug 1832, Bledsoe Co., TN · DEATH: 4 Mar 1863, Franklin Co., IL · REFERENCE: V1294 Father: William RANDOLPH Mother: Nancy Pearl REED Family 1 : Susan V. YOUNG b 5-7-1832 TN d 8-20-1875, Makanda, Jackson co, IL · MARRIAGE: 10 Aug 1854, Franklin Co., IL Florence Alice RANDOLPH +Walter Leonadus RANDOLPH +Aquilla Dollins RANDOLPH William Randolph 1796 - 1855 · BIRTH: 1796, NC · DEATH: 1855, Stonefort Twp., Saline Co., IL · REFERENCE: V1067 Father: Samuel Peyton RANDOLPH Family 1 : Nancy Pearl REED William RANDOLPH +Stacy Jane RANDOLPH Andrew Jackson RANDOLPH +Elizabeth RANDOLPH +Anderson Bird RANDOLPH +Gabriel E. RANDOLPH +Mathew Mark RANDOLPH Nancy Pearl RANDOLPH Oliver G. RANDOLPH +Levis S. RANDOLPH +Thomas Harvey RANDOLPH Malinda Catherine RANDOLPH Nancy Pearl REED 1801 - AFT. JUL 1894 · BIRTH: 1801, NC · DEATH: AFT. JUL 1894, Stonefort Twp., Saline Co., IL · REFERENCE: V1066

>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:31:09 -0400 >From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> >Can someone please do an 1850 Pope Co. census look-up for Anderson Bird >Randolph? He may be living with another family. >Thanks, Jan Jan, i found a few things at ancestry.com, the personal/family info directly below is gleaned from several different sources, if you wish further info on William John Randolph or Nancy Pearl Reed or the children let me know and i will send what is given. Name: Anderson Bird RANDOLPH Birth: Aug 27, 1825 in Tenn. Death: Mar 3, 1863 Father: William John RANDOLPH b: 1800 in N.C. Mother: Nancy Pearl REED b: 1801 in Tenn. Spouse: Susan V. Young Married: 10 Aug 1854 children: Aquilla Dollins RANDOLPH b: Oct 1862 Martha RANDOLPH Florence Alice Randolph birth Walter Lenardis Randolph birth b: 1860 i did not find Anderson in the 1850 census but an Anderson B Randolph is listed in the 1860 census for Franklin Co, Benton P.O., ILL on page 360. there was not a hot link to it but if you don't have access to any of the census let me know and i can search for it. there were 3 ILL land purchases for Anderson B Randolph, i will list them across and hope they come through in the columns. type FD FD FD section E2SE NWSE NWNE sect 29 29 29 twp 05S 05S 05S range 03E 03E 03E meridian 3 3 3 acres 8000 4000 4000 price 0 125 13 total 0 5000 500 date 9-4-1852 9-19-1853 10-18-1855 reside 000 028 028 volume 105 221 112 page 060 018 218 blank W ID 260772 460018 475748 hope this helps some karen

Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger -----Original Message----- From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Hi Barb, > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you tell me > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. and > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a commercial > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about the > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's Ferry, but > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James Henry > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. Matilda > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > Memphis, TN >

Can someone please do an 1850 Pope Co. census look-up for Anderson Bird Randolph? He may be living with another family. Thanks, Jan

Sharon..thanks! But for some reason The Haskins is ringing a few bells with me. I am not sure, yet. Will check out Burden Falls, if I can. Carol sharon brown wrote: > It sounds like Burden Falls near Bell Smith Springs. There is an old church > close by........... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:31 PM > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > > > My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs > > in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture > > of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading > > over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with > > jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could > > have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? > > I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have > > the name of it. > > > > Carol R. > > > >

Thank you, Faye....I found the picture of a man in water at The Haskins...however, I didn't see a water fall over rocks...could this be the same? Thanks again, Carol Faye Bowman wrote: > Carol, look in the back of your Rock Community book. The Haskin picture of a > large baptism is in there, too. > Faye > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Carol, > > The Haskins was a popular baptismal place. It is up by Rock. There is a > > picture of it in Byron Sister's book. Both Sistlers and Walters lived up > > there. > > > > Susan > > -- > > Johnson and Pope County History > web page: http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ > > "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts..... > And be thankful." > Colossians 3:15

Carol, look in the back of your Rock Community book. The Haskin picture of a large baptism is in there, too. Faye [email protected] wrote: > Carol, > The Haskins was a popular baptismal place. It is up by Rock. There is a > picture of it in Byron Sister's book. Both Sistlers and Walters lived up > there. > > Susan -- Johnson and Pope County History web page: http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts..... And be thankful." Colossians 3:15

No, are they on line? I'd love to chat with them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Jan, haver you ever talked to Wanda or Welda, granddaughters of Isaac who > both live in Golconda? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac > > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you > tell > > me > > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. > > and > > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > > commercial > > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about > the > > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's > Ferry, > > but > > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James > Henry > > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. > Matilda > > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > > Memphis, TN > > > > > >

Jan, haver you ever talked to Wanda or Welda, granddaughters of Isaac who both live in Golconda? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you tell > me > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. > and > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > commercial > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about the > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's Ferry, > but > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James Henry > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. Matilda > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > Memphis, TN > > >

Yes...I do believe it could be Haskins!! Do you know what church was associated with that? thank you, Carol [email protected] wrote: > Carol, > The Haskins was a popular baptismal place. It is up by Rock. There is a > picture of it in Byron Sister's book. Both Sistlers and Walters lived up > there. > > Susan

Carol, The Haskins was a popular baptismal place. It is up by Rock. There is a picture of it in Byron Sister's book. Both Sistlers and Walters lived up there. Susan

Can anyone tell me how/if the following Rorax/Rorex families are connected? James W. Rorax m. Rhoda M. Water 17 Oct 1865 Pope Co. Eliza S. Rorax m. Henry C. Rowe 9 Aug 1864 Pope Co. Mary Jane Rorax m. Joseph Evitts 18 Feb 1849 Pope Co. Priscilla W. Rorax m. Wm. N. Thetford 22 Jul 1860 Jackson Co. Martin a. Rorax m. Mary Elizabeth Denny 24 Sep 1849 Sangamon Co. Joel D. Rorex m. Esther E. Boaz 22 Sep 1870 Pope Co. Wm. P. Rorex m. Martha Ann Adair 17 Jan 1860 Pope Co. John W. Rorex m. Priscilla Baltsell 10 Oct 1836 Union Co. Nancy Rorex m. James L. Hodges 11 Mar 1834 Union Co. Priscilla Rorex m. Adam Cauble, Jr. 23 Jul 1846 Union Co. Sally Rorex m. John A. Woodry 23 Sep 1835 Union Co. Jan

It sounds like Burden Falls near Bell Smith Springs. There is an old church close by........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs > in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture > of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading > over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with > jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could > have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? > I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have > the name of it. > > Carol R. > >

Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Hi Barb, > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you tell me > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. and > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a commercial > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about the > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's Ferry, but > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James Henry > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. Matilda > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > Memphis, TN >

Hi Barb, You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you tell me a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. and Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a commercial fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about the river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's Ferry, but it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James Henry KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. Matilda died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. Deb Mullins Kirsch Memphis, TN

My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have the name of it. Carol R.