Send to along with as much info as possible including Full Name Date and Place of Birth Date and Place of Death State from individual entered service Military Service Branch. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration (402B) Burial Location Request 810 Vermont Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20420

What do you get when you send the information? What will they tell you? I missed the original question. Thanks. Lee Smith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Need Help Send to along with as much info as possible including Full Name Date and Place of Birth Date and Place of Death State from individual entered service Military Service Branch. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration (402B) Burial Location Request 810 Vermont Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20420

Thanks a lot for this, Sharon. What is Drucilla's maiden name? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Jacob Anderson and Drucilla > They had five known children: > David Anderson, b. c. 1817, VA. He married Polly McCool on Dec. 1836, Pope > Co. She was born in Ky. > Nancy Andersons, b. April 28, 1819, VA. She married James Glenn Wright, > Mar. 2, 1837, Pope Co. She d. 1887, Pope. He died 1891, Pope. > Rachel b 1821, VA. M. Wm. Rather Whiteside. Rachel died in 1889, Pope. > Wm. died in 1864. Both left wills. > Franklin Anderson, b. 1823, VA. m. Ellen McCoo.l , 1842, Pope. He died > in 1892 Pope, She died in 1893, Pope. > Mary Jane Anderson, b. c 1837, Pope. She m. Benjamin McCool, 1852, Pope. > She died 1909 in Simpson in Johnson Co., IL. He died in 1874, Pope. > > I think Franklin may also be buried in Ragsdale. The McCools lived close > by. I learned about them from Phil Anderson who descends from David. I got > lots of them from Mark Steinke. > Sharon > >

They had five known children: David Anderson, b. c. 1817, VA. He married Polly McCool on Dec. 1836, Pope Co. She was born in Ky. Nancy Andersons, b. April 28, 1819, VA. She married James Glenn Wright, Mar. 2, 1837, Pope Co. She d. 1887, Pope. He died 1891, Pope. Rachel b 1821, VA. M. Wm. Rather Whiteside. Rachel died in 1889, Pope. Wm. died in 1864. Both left wills. Franklin Anderson, b. 1823, VA. m. Ellen McCoo.l , 1842, Pope. He died in 1892 Pope, She died in 1893, Pope. Mary Jane Anderson, b. c 1837, Pope. She m. Benjamin McCool, 1852, Pope. She died 1909 in Simpson in Johnson Co., IL. He died in 1874, Pope. I think Franklin may also be buried in Ragsdale. The McCools lived close by. I learned about them from Phil Anderson who descends from David. I got lots of them from Mark Steinke. Sharon

Kathy, I don't know if you have already received an answer, but if you will give some information about his name, and what state and unit he served in, it would be helpful. States vary in the type of information they have and how to get it. Debbie kathy wrote: > Hi List. I'm in need of suggestions on where I can go to get burial info on an ancester who died during the civil war. I have all his enlistment records with date of death and everything EXCEPT no place of burial. I know he died in Fayetteville, Tenn on 19 May 1862. Have found no records and relatives don't know where he is buried. Anyone have any suggestions or sites where I can check. I also know his Military unit. All help appreciated. My e-mail is: [email protected] Thanks Kathy

Right, most of them married in VA. 1st..children of oldest, George Anderson, who married Mary Polly Burton in Montgomery Co. VA. She married Joseph Skles. George and Polly had 6 children. 1. John married Elizabeth Mullen in VA. Both died in Pope Co. 2. James. no information. 3. Elizabeth Anderson m Wesley Conley in Montgomery. Both died in Pope. 4. Wm. m. Malissa Cosby in Montgomery. Wm. died in Pope. 5. Anna m. James Williams of Pope. She was born in VA. He, in TN. 6. Isaac Anderson,VA m. Isabella Belford, Pope. ----- Original Message ----- He married 2 to Missouri Parmley Bridges, Pope. 2nd child, Elizabeth b Winchesster, m. Woolwine. (George) He went to Madison,KY. She died in OH.. They had three known children, a daughter, b. 1805 c. m. Henry Carper around 1823. He was b in Montgomrery Co. VA. John Adams Woolwinve m. Catherine Collins, Montgomery VA. A second daughter b. c 1809. Next are the twins. Do you have all of Peggy's children? From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Andersons > Thanks, Sharon. Which ones ended up in Pope Co.? I can't find these > marriages on the Pope Co. Marriage list. They must have married elsewhere. > Virginia? Did you find Drucilla 's last name? > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:28 PM > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Andersons > > > > Looks like lots of the Anderson children's children ended up in Pope Co. > > Brothers and sisters of Margaret: > > 1. George > > 2. Elizabeth m. George G. Woolwine > > 3. Catherine/twin m Jacob Sherman > > 4. Margaret/Peggy/John King > > 5. Mary Polly m. Abraham Shufflebarger > > 6. Eve m. Jacob Songer > > 7. Susannah m James Thompson, 2. John Hughes > > 8. Jacob and Drucilla > > 9. John m. Catherine Keplinger > > 10. Malinda > > 11. Nancy m Wm. shepherd > > 12. William Hetty E. Carper 2. Juliet Brooks Eaton > > > > >

Thanks, Sharon. Which ones ended up in Pope Co.? I can't find these marriages on the Pope Co. Marriage list. They must have married elsewhere. Virginia? Did you find Drucilla 's last name? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Andersons > Looks like lots of the Anderson children's children ended up in Pope Co. > Brothers and sisters of Margaret: > 1. George > 2. Elizabeth m. George G. Woolwine > 3. Catherine/twin m Jacob Sherman > 4. Margaret/Peggy/John King > 5. Mary Polly m. Abraham Shufflebarger > 6. Eve m. Jacob Songer > 7. Susannah m James Thompson, 2. John Hughes > 8. Jacob and Drucilla > 9. John m. Catherine Keplinger > 10. Malinda > 11. Nancy m Wm. shepherd > 12. William Hetty E. Carper 2. Juliet Brooks Eaton > >

Hi David and Linda, My family's farm was very close to the farm of a Rixe family (2 entries apart on the 1880 census). My family names were Wiedemann and Niekamp, and according to the St. Stephan's church records (transcribed by Foss and Lee) they were from the same area in Germany as the Rixe family (Schildesche). I wrote down the following about this family when I was looking at the church records: Wilhelm Rixe was born in Schildesche and was married to Frederike Waechter Frederike Waechter was born in Schildesche too Other Waechters: Ernst, born in Schildesche and married to Caroline Justine Obermark (also from Schildesche) Hanna Wilhelmine, born 22 Apr 1848 in Schildesche Johann Frederich, born 20 Oct 1807 in Bielefeld (Schildesche is now a suburb of Bielefeld so this is essentially the same place) I'm sure there are many more entries in the church records for these families, but I was only interested in the birthplaces of the family members who were actually born in Germany. I thought it was interesting that all of these families from Schildesche settled in Pope Co. together. Judy Foreman Lee was one of the publishers of the transcribed church records and she's active on the Pope co. list, so I wouldn't be surprised if she contacted you about the availability of this book. Lori Maggio-Hall -----Original Message----- From: David & Linda [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Re: Question about Rosebud Norma Jean - I have Rosebud connections. My families of German decent RIXIE(RIXER) and WAECHTER lived in the Rosebud area and are buried at St Stephens Lutheran Church cemetery. If I'm not mistaken this church used to be known as Massac County German Church. Is that right? Has anyone had any success in searching old records of this church? Are they available/accessible? David -----Original Message----- From: Norma Jean Huss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Re: Question about Rosebud Rosebud has not been anything more than a church and some homes in quite a while. I do remember when there was a store there and a post office. My mother and father were both born near Rosebud. Dad moved shortly after he was born to Metropolis. Mother lived there till she married Dad. But mother lived nearer to the Massac County line and her family did most of their shopping in Metropolis. Went to church at St Stephens Lutheran Church (still there in Midway, Massac Co. IL). The best way to get to Rosebud is to come towards Metropolis on Route 145 and turn right onto Rosebud Road. It will take you to Rosebud (eventually) there are several turns before you get there, but I think it is the best way to find Rosebud. You could surely use the Map Quest site on the internet to trace the Rosebud Road from Route 145 in Massac County to Rosebud in Pope County. I hope? My mother was an Obermark, my dad is May and my grandpa May married Minnie King from Temple Hill, Pope Co. Norma Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Re: Question about Rosebud >My father and Aunt were born in Rosebud. Does Rosebud still exist? How far >is it from Golconda? Are there still any buildings or businesses in Rosebud >or is it just a small area with no businesses? >I was out in Massac Co. and Pope Co. about 3 years ago, but only for a day >and I never found Rosebud. (Should've asked someone, I know). >Thanks, >Laura > >

YES, YES!!!!!!!! THAT'S IT!! Thanks so much Faye, it was right here and I didn't see it. She was baptised at Haskin Hollow, that rock cliff is the background in her photo, but it had water pouring off of it in a waterfall. And Mt. Zion Baptist Church makes sense, her parents were buried at that cemetery, and some siblings. This is an absolutely WONDERFUL book, Faye...thanks for doing it and for helping us out. Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Faye Bowman wrote: > Hi, > Look for page 35, in history of Mt. Zion Baptist Church. The rock backgound would > be a waterfall after a big rain. > The picture page is unnumbered. > Faye > > CarolSue Robinson wrote: > > > Sharon..thanks! But for some reason The Haskins is > > ringing a few bells with me. I am not sure, yet. Will > > check out Burden Falls, if I can. > > Carol > > > > sharon brown wrote: > > > > > It sounds like Burden Falls near Bell Smith Springs. There is an old church > > > close by........... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:31 PM > > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > > > > > > > My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs > > > > in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture > > > > of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading > > > > over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with > > > > jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could > > > > have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? > > > > I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have > > > > the name of it. > > > > > > > > Carol R. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Johnson and Pope County History > web page: http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ > > "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts..... > And be thankful." > Colossians 3:15

Thank you so much Susan...you have been a great help!! Would like to locate our Sistler Family Bible that a cousin, has, maybe then it can all be verified, but I think we are on the right path. :o) Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] wrote: > Carol, > At one time there was a water fall. I was there many years ago. At that > time, the water fall was more like damp rocks and the baptismal pond was > more a puddle. At that time there was a house being build close by. The roof > of the house was about level with the road. When you walked down the path to > the front of the house you could see the beautiful view. I remember the > Haskin being off to the left of the house, coming down from a bluff. If I > remember correctly it wasn't to far from Uncle Sam Sistler's house which we > also went to that day. Perhaps someone remembers where the house is. > > Susan

Looks like lots of the Anderson children's children ended up in Pope Co. Brothers and sisters of Margaret: 1. George 2. Elizabeth m. George G. Woolwine 3. Catherine/twin m Jacob Sherman 4. Margaret/Peggy/John King 5. Mary Polly m. Abraham Shufflebarger 6. Eve m. Jacob Songer 7. Susannah m James Thompson, 2. John Hughes 8. Jacob and Drucilla 9. John m. Catherine Keplinger 10. Malinda 11. Nancy m Wm. shepherd 12. William Hetty E. Carper 2. Juliet Brooks Eaton

Catherine married Jacob Shearman/Sherman July 30, 1804 (bond date) Montgomery Co. VA. He was born c 1781 Rockingham Co, VA. She died before the 1830 census. He died May 15, , 1862, Pulaski Co VA. No known children. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > John W. King b. 1817 Va., d. 4 Apr 1884, s/o John King and Margret Anderson > King. He married Elizabeth Ann S. Barger 22 Mar 1838 Pope Co. Their > children were: Isaac Martin "Mart", William, James Anderson, Alexander > Franklin, Silas, John Richard, Sarah D., Abraham "Uncle Charlie". > > Can we make a connection? > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Maue" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:02 AM > Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac > > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you > tell > > me > > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. > > and > > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > > commercial > > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about > the > > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's > Ferry, > > but > > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James > Henry > > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. > Matilda > > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > > Memphis, TN > > > > > > >

Sharon, I didn't know about Jacob. Margret was a twin to Catherine, I'm told. Do you kow who she married? What was the last name of Drucilla? As someone recently told me, Pope Co. has a very shallow gene pool! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > And Margaret Anderson was the sister of Jacob Anderson who married Drucilla, > buried at Ragsdale Cem. across from Lake Glendale. Jacob is father of > Rachel Anderson who married Wm. Rather Whiteside. They were parents of my > great grandmother, Margaret Whiteside Grisham Schuchardt. I have Margaret > on my grandfather Robbs's side and Jacob on the Waters side. > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > John W. King b. 1817 Va., d. 4 Apr 1884, s/o John King and Margret > Anderson > > King. He married Elizabeth Ann S. Barger 22 Mar 1838 Pope Co. Their > > children were: Isaac Martin "Mart", William, James Anderson, Alexander > > Franklin, Silas, John Richard, Sarah D., Abraham "Uncle Charlie". > > > > Can we make a connection? > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dawn Maue" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:02 AM > > Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was > Isaac > > > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > > > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > > > > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you > > tell > > > me > > > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac > Cos. > > > and > > > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > > > commercial > > > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about > > the > > > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's > > Ferry, > > > but > > > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James > > Henry > > > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. > > Matilda > > > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > > > Memphis, TN > > > > > > > > > > > >

It will be in the Wysor book..I'll check. I don't know Drucilla's last name. I never knew I had Anderson blood in me until I started looking. Does that make me my own cousin? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > Sharon, I didn't know about Jacob. Margret was a twin to Catherine, I'm > told. Do you kow who she married? What was the last name of Drucilla? > > As someone recently told me, Pope Co. has a very shallow gene pool! > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > And Margaret Anderson was the sister of Jacob Anderson who married > Drucilla, > > buried at Ragsdale Cem. across from Lake Glendale. Jacob is father of > > Rachel Anderson who married Wm. Rather Whiteside. They were parents of my > > great grandmother, Margaret Whiteside Grisham Schuchardt. I have Margaret > > on my grandfather Robbs's side and Jacob on the Waters side. > > Sharon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > John W. King b. 1817 Va., d. 4 Apr 1884, s/o John King and Margret > > Anderson > > > King. He married Elizabeth Ann S. Barger 22 Mar 1838 Pope Co. Their > > > children were: Isaac Martin "Mart", William, James Anderson, Alexander > > > Franklin, Silas, John Richard, Sarah D., Abraham "Uncle Charlie". > > > > > > Can we make a connection? > > > > > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dawn Maue" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:02 AM > > > Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > > > > Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was > > Isaac > > > > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > > > > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > > > > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could > you > > > tell > > > > me > > > > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac > > Cos. > > > > and > > > > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > > > > commercial > > > > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info > about > > > the > > > > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > > > > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's > > > Ferry, > > > > but > > > > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James > > > Henry > > > > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. > > > Matilda > > > > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's > Hall > > > > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > > > > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > > > > Memphis, TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It was northwest of Sam Sistler place, according to my husband. I have never been there. Hope to get down there this fall after the snakes hibernate. Faye Can't send the picture, but here is a story about the Mt. Zion baptism published in the Rock Community Book. The Haskin about 1928 What a great picture this is, how many echoes it stirs up from the Haskin Hollow! In the left of the picture you can almost tell what these young lads are thinking. Do they know a secret we don't? Have they seen a water snake winding its way from the craggy rocks at the water edge toward the unsuspecting candidates for baptism, or do they have concealed in their pockets a frog or two, or maybe even a green snake? Those boys look like they had rather be swimming in the clear water, than standing there in their Sunday best. And you have to wonder if the straight -laced corseted ladies sitting in front of them are a bit nervous knowing all about boys and frogs and about much too silent lads, 'What are they up to anyway?' The ladies are dressed in white garments as was the custom on baptizing day in the Rock community. They have walked down the hill from Mt. Zion Baptist church, being led by the pastor, and were singing all the way here. I can almost hear their loud voices blending as one belting out Shall We Gather At The River? I think the little girls seated in the foreground are trying very hard to keep their Sunday frocks from getting dirty. It looks like this event took place in the late spring, on a rather cool day, but with an abundance of sunshine. The foliage is not as dense as it would be later in the summer. I can almost hear the birds singing in the trees near the water, and if I looked up into the blue sky, surely, a hawk or two would be visible and several smaller birds winging happily. The eight or nine people being baptized appear to range in age from fairly young to at least middle-aged and I can 'feel' the shaded water soaking their clothes, and sense the impatience at being subjected to stand in the cold water while someone takes a picture. The fellow on the right with the beard is probably the preacher, and it may be Bro. J. C. Boulan since he was the pastor of the church at that time. Back toward the bluff, a large group of youth and ladies, wearing white dresses and hats, are standing near the water's edge and almost touching the huge boulder. The only positive identifications are of the lady on the right with the big hat and the gentleman beside her. They are Nettie Kerley Anderson (1890 - 1974) and Charles R. Anderson (1888 - 1954). The water hole in Haskin Hollow was a favorite swimming hole long after the congregation ceased using it for baptisms. They began using ponds near Rock rather than struggle up and down the steep incline. But back then it was an important source of water for doing the home laundry. What a chore lugging those baskets up and down the precipitous pathway, to provide clean towels, overalls, sheets and aprons for the family! The suds of the lye soap were swirled away as the ladies rinsed the items and wrung the water out with their hands. The water hole has shrunk in size due to erosion of the soil on the slopes. Only deer and other wild animals enjoy this once hallowed meeting place for baptisms and picnics. Yet I wonder, if you would stand here in the quiet of the day, and listen real close, you might hear the pealing of the church bell a quarter mile away, and maybe that's not just the breeze teasing those leaves in the trees, maybe it's the voice of a hundred people singing their way down the rocky hill with their starched robes rustling against the brush, and that soft splash, perhaps it was not just a frog leaping in the still water, maybe, just maybe, it was an echo from the past of someone going under for the Lord….. _____ written by Flo Austin Dunning Photo courtesy of Bruce Morse [email protected] wrote: > Carol, > At one time there was a water fall. I was there many years ago. At that > time, the water fall was more like damp rocks and the baptismal pond was > more a puddle. At that time there was a house being build close by. The roof > of the house was about level with the road. When you walked down the path to > the front of the house you could see the beautiful view. I remember the > Haskin being off to the left of the house, coming down from a bluff. If I > remember correctly it wasn't to far from Uncle Sam Sistler's house which we > also went to that day. Perhaps someone remembers where the house is. > > Susan -- Johnson and Pope County History web page: http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts..... And be thankful." Colossians 3:15

Yes, I would like any and all info you find. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Clanin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Anderson Bird Randolph > > >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:31:09 -0400 > >From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> > >Can someone please do an 1850 Pope Co. census look-up for Anderson Bird > >Randolph? He may be living with another family. > >Thanks, Jan > > Jan, i found a few things at ancestry.com, the personal/family info > directly below is gleaned from several different sources, if you wish > further info on William John Randolph or Nancy Pearl Reed or the children > let me know and i will send what is given. > > Name: Anderson Bird RANDOLPH > Birth: Aug 27, 1825 in Tenn. > Death: Mar 3, 1863 > Father: William John RANDOLPH b: 1800 in N.C. > Mother: Nancy Pearl REED b: 1801 in Tenn. > Spouse: Susan V. Young > Married: 10 Aug 1854 > children: > Aquilla Dollins RANDOLPH b: Oct 1862 > Martha RANDOLPH > Florence Alice Randolph birth > Walter Lenardis Randolph birth b: 1860 > > i did not find Anderson in the 1850 census but an Anderson B Randolph is > listed in the 1860 census for Franklin Co, Benton P.O., ILL on page > 360. there was not a hot link to it but if you don't have access to any > of the census let me know and i can search for it. > > there were 3 ILL land purchases for Anderson B Randolph, i will list them > across and hope they come through in the columns. > type FD FD FD > section E2SE NWSE NWNE > sect 29 29 29 > twp 05S 05S 05S > range 03E 03E 03E > meridian 3 3 3 > acres 8000 4000 4000 > price 0 125 13 > total 0 5000 500 > date 9-4-1852 9-19-1853 10-18-1855 > reside 000 028 028 > volume 105 221 112 > page 060 018 218 > blank W > ID 260772 460018 475748 > > hope this helps some > > karen >

Hi, Look for page 35, in history of Mt. Zion Baptist Church. The rock backgound would be a waterfall after a big rain. The picture page is unnumbered. Faye CarolSue Robinson wrote: > Sharon..thanks! But for some reason The Haskins is > ringing a few bells with me. I am not sure, yet. Will > check out Burden Falls, if I can. > Carol > > sharon brown wrote: > > > It sounds like Burden Falls near Bell Smith Springs. There is an old church > > close by........... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:31 PM > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > > > > > My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs > > > in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture > > > of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading > > > over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with > > > jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could > > > have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? > > > I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have > > > the name of it. > > > > > > Carol R. > > > > > > -- Johnson and Pope County History web page: http://www.shawneelink.net/~fayebow/ "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts..... And be thankful." Colossians 3:15

I have no idea what church is there, but building is well cared for...I just thought WATERFALL. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > Sharon..thanks! But for some reason The Haskins is > ringing a few bells with me. I am not sure, yet. Will > check out Burden Falls, if I can. > Carol > > sharon brown wrote: > > > It sounds like Burden Falls near Bell Smith Springs. There is an old church > > close by........... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:31 PM > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Baptism at 'natural springs' Pope Co, IL > > > > > My mother, Myrtle Sistler-Walter, was baptised in a natural springs > > > in Pope County, IL, in the early part of the 1900s. I have a picture > > > of her, but can't identify the place. It has a water falls cascading > > > over rocks, and there were several people in the water dressed with > > > jackets on. Would anyone have an idea where this baptismal could > > > have happend? Also, any clue as to what church it could have been? > > > I am thinking it was a Baptist Church in Pope County, but don't have > > > the name of it. > > > > > > Carol R. > > > > > > >

And Margaret Anderson was the sister of Jacob Anderson who married Drucilla, buried at Ragsdale Cem. across from Lake Glendale. Jacob is father of Rachel Anderson who married Wm. Rather Whiteside. They were parents of my great grandmother, Margaret Whiteside Grisham Schuchardt. I have Margaret on my grandfather Robbs's side and Jacob on the Waters side. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > John W. King b. 1817 Va., d. 4 Apr 1884, s/o John King and Margret Anderson > King. He married Elizabeth Ann S. Barger 22 Mar 1838 Pope Co. Their > children were: Isaac Martin "Mart", William, James Anderson, Alexander > Franklin, Silas, John Richard, Sarah D., Abraham "Uncle Charlie". > > Can we make a connection? > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Maue" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:02 AM > Subject: RE: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > Do you have anymore info on your John King and Elizabeth S.Barger > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan Patton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > Hi, Deb. I also have Kings from Pope Co. My gr gr grandfather was Isaac > > Martin King who m. Martha Ann Randolph. Isaac's parents were John W. > > "Johnny" King and Elizabeth Ann S. Barger. > > > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:16 PM > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Attn: Barb Diehl > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > > > You mentioned the term "river pirates" in a post yesterday. Could you > tell > > me > > > a little about them? I am researching my KING family of Pope/Massac Cos. > > and > > > Livingston Co., KY. An uncle (either GG, or 3G), Jeff KING, was a > > commercial > > > fisherman out of Livingston Co., KY. I am hoping that maybe info about > the > > > river pirates might give names of people operating on the rivers. > > > > > > I believe my BERRY line also has a river connection due to Berry's > Ferry, > > but > > > it is another brick wall for me. I am seeking the parentage of James > Henry > > > KING and Matilda Ann BERRY that resided in Massac Co., IL in 1860. > Matilda > > > died in Metropolis, Massac Co. in 1869 and is buried at Farmer's Hall > > > cemetery. James moved to Livingston Co., KY and died there in 1934. > > > > > > Any help or leads in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Deb Mullins Kirsch > > > Memphis, TN > > > > > > >

Carol, At one time there was a water fall. I was there many years ago. At that time, the water fall was more like damp rocks and the baptismal pond was more a puddle. At that time there was a house being build close by. The roof of the house was about level with the road. When you walked down the path to the front of the house you could see the beautiful view. I remember the Haskin being off to the left of the house, coming down from a bluff. If I remember correctly it wasn't to far from Uncle Sam Sistler's house which we also went to that day. Perhaps someone remembers where the house is. Susan