Clara, "Shade" is the uncle of my great aunt Winnie. So yes, I have this tree back to Samuel. Is William Harrison who married Kissiah (Kessiah) Parmley the brother of Joshua B. and Kissiah the sister of Joshua's wife Polly Ann Parmley? My great grandmother's sister married the son of William Harrison and Kissiah. This is why I just found it easier to do the Austin tree too. Susan

Sharon and Bob, I, too am a Pope Co. King descendant. Sharon and I have corresponded a lot and Bob, your name is familiar, but I'm not sure if we have exchanged info or not. I descend from John King/Margret Anderson King, their son, John Wilson King/Elizabeth Ann S. Barger, their son Isaac Martin "Mart" King/Martha Ann Randolph, their daughter Eulalia King/Aquilla Dollins Randolph, their daughter Anna Mae Randolph/Charles Maurice Evitts. I also have Butlers in my tree but haven't yet connected them to Drucilla King/Joseph Butler. My oldest known Butler is George b. 1777 Tn. m. Abigale ?, their son James Butler/Matilda E. Bass, their son, Finis E. Butler/Elizabeth "Betsey" Nunn, Jonah Walter Butler/Mandacy Duffee, their daughter, Bettie Ellen Butler/Clayborn Walter Norman. I wish I could find more children of George and maybe would find the connection to Drucilla. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Francis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Austin's and Sistler's of Pope Co., IL > Sharon, > > I have some data on the Kings that I'll gladly share with you. > > Bob Francis > > > From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:39:17 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Austin's and Sistler's of Pope Co., IL > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:38:59 -0600 > > > > I have enjoyed reading this. I descend through the Margaret Anderson and > > John King family through my grandfather, Albert Robbs, son of Sarah King. > > > > >

Carol, My Eve Baker b. ca 1879 m. ca 1905?? to William Harrison Austin b. 1878 son of Elsberry Alexander Austin and Charity Reams. I know what you mean about the confusion. I have an Eva Baker married to Harlow Austin. This Eva was the daughter of Henry Baker and Mary Jennings. Austins are so intermarried with my families that it becomes easier just to trace them too. Susan

Isaac Martin King is brother to Sarah Drucilla King Robbs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Austin's and Sistler's of Pope Co., IL > Sharon and Bob, > > I, too am a Pope Co. King descendant. Sharon and I have corresponded a lot > and Bob, your name is familiar, but I'm not sure if we have exchanged info > or not. I descend from John King/Margret Anderson King, their son, John > Wilson King/Elizabeth Ann S. Barger, their son Isaac Martin "Mart" > King/Martha Ann Randolph, their daughter Eulalia King/Aquilla Dollins > Randolph, their daughter Anna Mae Randolph/Charles Maurice Evitts. > > I also have Butlers in my tree but haven't yet connected them to Drucilla > King/Joseph Butler. My oldest known Butler is George b. 1777 Tn. m. Abigale > ?, their son James Butler/Matilda E. Bass, their son, Finis E. > Butler/Elizabeth "Betsey" Nunn, Jonah Walter Butler/Mandacy Duffee, their > daughter, Bettie Ellen Butler/Clayborn Walter Norman. I wish I could find > more children of George and maybe would find the connection to Drucilla. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Francis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Austin's and Sistler's of Pope Co., IL > > > > Sharon, > > > > I have some data on the Kings that I'll gladly share with you. > > > > Bob Francis > > > > > From: "sharon brown" <[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:39:17 -0500 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Austin's and Sistler's of Pope Co., IL > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:38:59 -0600 > > > > > > I have enjoyed reading this. I descend through the Margaret Anderson > and > > > John King family through my grandfather, Albert Robbs, son of Sarah > King. > > > > > > > > > >

Carol, I think we are shaken some of the same trees. I have the following connections: Whiteside, George W. and Sarah Holloway Brush, James Sales and Elizabeth Walters (Walter, Water, Watter, Walther or whatever) Brush, Mary C. and ?? Sistler Brush, Mary Melissa and James M. Sistler and ? Shufflebarger Brush, William Wiley and Amanda E. Jenkins Sistler, Minnie and James Otto Grisham Sharon and I must have at least a dozen family connections including her sister-in-law Laura who is the niece of my great aunt Ola. Susan

Susan: Excuse me if I'm interrupting, but couldn't pass up the name of AUSTIN! All of Pope Co., IL My husband is a direct descendant of the following: Samuel Austin born abt 1780 died ? Joshua Bailey Austin born 1802 died 1846 Thomas Philip Austn born 1838 died 1918 Shadrach "Shade" Austin born 1861 died 1934 Thomas Edison "Tommy" Austin, Sr born 1892 died 1958 Would like to trade information if there is a connection. Clara On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:07:19 -0700 CarolSue Robinson <[email protected]> writes: > Susan, I found some notes on Eva BAKER, I think marr. > to William Harrison AUSTIN. It may not be of much > value, but, will include it here. > > > "The 1900 Pope Co, IL Census shows "EVA BAKER" living in Eddyville > Precinct, with > > HENRY BAKER, b. April, 1862, age 38, marr 18 yrs to Mary (6 > children / 4 living), > age > > 39, b. Sept 1860...children listed: Inda (India?) dau, Jan 1885, > Carrie dau. July > 1889, > > Eva dau Sept, 1890, Eula dau, July, 1899 (10 mos old). > > Of course, there has been a history of Eve, Eva, Eva Edna BAKER > which confuses > things a bit. Have you tried the Illinois Marriage Records > Website? > I am not sure what years they cover, but apparently they married > after 1909. > > There is also a "W. H. AUSTIN" who's second marriage was to Lora > LOUIS-JOHNSON > (her second marr. also)...I dont think this is your subject William > Harrison AUSTIN, > but include that note here to alleviate confusion, I hope: > > > Marriage records show another W.H.AUSTIN age 27 in 1899 / b. > 1872, > > son of Sam AUSTIN and Sidney WATERS, married 2nd time to Lora > > (LOUIS) JOHNSON, age 23, dau of James LOUIS and Mary GIBSON. > > Lora's second marriage also. He was born in Saline Co, IL, > living > > in Golconda from Livingston Co, KY. > > She also living in Golconda, from Livingston Co, KY, but born in > > Edmison (?) County, KY. Marr: Pope Co, IL - > > Bk A-1, pg 18, #2524 by J.C.Thompson, M.G. married at > > Court House, witn: W.H. Whiteside and Tony A. Kerr. > > > While this may NOT fit into your family tree, I hope it is helpful. > Carol > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [email protected] wrote: > > > Does anyone have a date of death and place of burial for William > Harrison > > Austin and Eve Baker Austin? Who were Eve's parents? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Susan > > >

Susan, I noticed that you were researching George W. Whiteside and Sarah Holloway. In the 1860 census, Elizabeth Reems/Reams was listed with them. Does she have connections to this family? And if so, how? Ellen Riley [email protected] [email protected] wrote: > > Carol, > I think we are shaken some of the same trees. I have the following > connections: > > Whiteside, George W. and Sarah Holloway > Brush, James Sales and Elizabeth Walters (Walter, Water, Watter, Walther or > whatever) > Brush, Mary C. and ?? Sistler > Brush, Mary Melissa and James M. Sistler and ? Shufflebarger > Brush, William Wiley and Amanda E. Jenkins > Sistler, Minnie and James Otto Grisham > > Sharon and I must have at least a dozen family connections including her > sister-in-law Laura who is the niece of my great aunt Ola. > > Susan

Kathy...any idea what Census they would be in? As early as 1860 maybe, or as late as 1900? Would there be a husband/father's name? Carol kathy wrote: > Hi Carol and thanks so much. I'm looking for Mary Ann Smith about 40 years > old and her young daughter about 2 years old named Rebecca. They should be > in one of the southern IL counties. Family stories say they are in Saline > Co. Thanks again. Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CarolSue Robinson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > > > Kathy.....give me the name of your 'look-up'...have a few > > minutes to check it out for you. > > Carol > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > kathy wrote: > > > > > I'm still here but I haven't seen anything from Pope either. I sent a > query > > > a couple days ago asking if anyone had an 1880 IL census and would do a > > > look-up but never heard anything. Thought maybe a virus got me again. > > > Kathy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:46 AM > > > Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > > > > > > > Just checking mailing list. Been a copy days since receiving from > this > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Susan, I found some notes on Eva BAKER, I think marr. to William Harrison AUSTIN. It may not be of much value, but, will include it here. > "The 1900 Pope Co, IL Census shows "EVA BAKER" living in Eddyville Precinct, with > HENRY BAKER, b. April, 1862, age 38, marr 18 yrs to Mary (6 children / 4 living), age > 39, b. Sept 1860...children listed: Inda (India?) dau, Jan 1885, Carrie dau. July 1889, > Eva dau Sept, 1890, Eula dau, July, 1899 (10 mos old). Of course, there has been a history of Eve, Eva, Eva Edna BAKER which confuses things a bit. Have you tried the Illinois Marriage Records Website? I am not sure what years they cover, but apparently they married after 1909. There is also a "W. H. AUSTIN" who's second marriage was to Lora LOUIS-JOHNSON (her second marr. also)...I dont think this is your subject William Harrison AUSTIN, but include that note here to alleviate confusion, I hope: > Marriage records show another W.H.AUSTIN age 27 in 1899 / b. 1872, > son of Sam AUSTIN and Sidney WATERS, married 2nd time to Lora > (LOUIS) JOHNSON, age 23, dau of James LOUIS and Mary GIBSON. > Lora's second marriage also. He was born in Saline Co, IL, living > in Golconda from Livingston Co, KY. > She also living in Golconda, from Livingston Co, KY, but born in > Edmison (?) County, KY. Marr: Pope Co, IL - > Bk A-1, pg 18, #2524 by J.C.Thompson, M.G. married at > Court House, witn: W.H. Whiteside and Tony A. Kerr. While this may NOT fit into your family tree, I hope it is helpful. Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone have a date of death and place of burial for William Harrison > Austin and Eve Baker Austin? Who were Eve's parents? > > Thanks, > > Susan

Sharon, Carol, Yes I am on line. Still here in Everett, WA. We leave for a 9,000 mile trip on 9/15. Carol, I am glad you recall that we have unfinished business. But I have been patiently waiting, well... Actually I have been off on a couple of other lines. But I am still very interested in nailing down Holloways. Regards, Howard Cook -----Original Message----- From: sharon brown [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? I think he is off on one of his long trips in his RV. Howard, are you on line? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > Yes, Sharon..I think Howard has emailed me...I am sure I > have unfinished business with him. Please tell him to nag > me to death...especially on Saturdays. :o) I don't remember > where we left off....and my senior moments are turning into > senior hours....hope he understands. > > THANKS FOR THE WONDERFUL PICTURES...I really am praying > that is my Grandfather! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > sharon brown wrote: > > > You've talked to Howard Cook about the HOlloways, haven't you? > > Did I send you the picture of Elizabeth Blatter Walter? > > > > - > >

You know my sister in law is Laura Hertter. Her mother was a Farmer-Sherells. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > Sharon...I would LOVE to have a picture of the Walter family, > including Nancy FARMER, if you have that! FARMER is related > to my maternal (SISTLER) line. Loretta FARMER-SISTLER is my > step-grandma, her parents were FARMER-REAMS. > > Other than my father, I have no pictures of my direct line WALTER family!! > > :o) thanks, > Carol > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > sharon brown wrote: > > > and I have a picture of them..................Aunt Rettie Walter had it. If > > anyone wants to see it, let me know. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > > > > > Jim: > > > Have Elizabeth Blatter born 1843 died 1913 > > > married William D. Walter > > > they had son Daniel William Walter > > > he married Christina Ann Austin > > > daughter of Pleasant T. Austin & Nancy C. Farmer > > > Pleasant T. Austin is grandson of a stone wall Samuel Austin > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:35:02 EDT [email protected] writes: > > > > I have been here all along, but haven't made any posts for a long > > > > time. I > > > > check every day to see if there are any others researching any of my > > > > primary > > > > Pope County surnames, which are: BOOS, SCHUMACHER/SCHUMAKER, > > > > HENDLEY, > > > > CLANAHAN, GLASS, HEMPHILL, BARNHILL. Other related (not in direct > > > > line) Pope > > > > Co. names are: HANNAH, DYER, WILLIAMSON, MITCHELL, COSSEY, BLATTER. > > > > > > > > Anyone else researching these names? > > > > > > > > Jim Doody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: [ILPOPE-L] Butler's > Frank: > I think I have the wrong parents for Frank Allen Butler and would like > your input. > Going by your information I now have listed: > Elisha Butler married ? Sarah Slocum. Many places have her listed as Sara, but the "H" is on her tombstone located in Edmeston, NY. > Samuel L. Butler married born 10-28-1814 d 12-08-1872 in Pinckneyville, > IL married ? Samuel was born in Burlington Township, Otswego, NY and married Lavinia Huntington. Their tombstones are in Pinkneyville, IL. They are both listed in the Huntington family website. > Orlando Samuel Butler married Mary E. Allen on 05-301862 > Thomas Orlando Butler married ? Thomas Orlando Butler is the son of Frank Allen Butler and Jessie Austin. He married Mildred Arnold. Thomas Orlando and Mildred are my mother and father. > Frank Allen Butler Frank Allen Butler is the child of Orlando S. Butler and Mary Elizabeth Allen. He is my grandfather and I am named after him. > Is this the correct order? Do you know who Thomas Orlando married and > dates for them? > Appreciate your help. > Clara > Just send me an address and I'll send you the Butlers and Austins. Frank >

I think he is off on one of his long trips in his RV. Howard, are you on line? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarolSue Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [ILPOPE-L] Anyone there?? > Yes, Sharon..I think Howard has emailed me...I am sure I > have unfinished business with him. Please tell him to nag > me to death...especially on Saturdays. :o) I don't remember > where we left off....and my senior moments are turning into > senior hours....hope he understands. > > THANKS FOR THE WONDERFUL PICTURES...I really am praying > that is my Grandfather! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > sharon brown wrote: > > > You've talked to Howard Cook about the HOlloways, haven't you? > > Did I send you the picture of Elizabeth Blatter Walter? > > > > - > >

I hope, I am not intruding on the Holloway discussion, but I have several Holloway from Va. that md. into the Hudgens which came to Williamson Co., IL. Linda Holmes White

Carol, Which Holloway are you working on? Mine, Martha(Patsy) Halloway/Holloway, dau of Obediah Holloway and Elizabeth ? Martha (born in Rockingham Co. NC 1790) married Wm. Bucy, 1808 in NC. Both Wm. and Martha died in Calloway Co. KY. They had 8 or 9 children to my knowledge. Joan Southwick

I did alot of look ups for LEVERETT-REYNOLDS at someone's request this morning. I would like to send the notes, so who ever it was that made the request, please contact me so I can send you the file. Sorry, I can't find the original request. Carol

Yes, Sharon..I think Howard has emailed me...I am sure I have unfinished business with him. Please tell him to nag me to death...especially on Saturdays. :o) I don't remember where we left off....and my senior moments are turning into senior hours....hope he understands. THANKS FOR THE WONDERFUL PICTURES...I really am praying that is my Grandfather! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sharon brown wrote: > You've talked to Howard Cook about the HOlloways, haven't you? > Did I send you the picture of Elizabeth Blatter Walter? > > -

hello Joan... My HOLLOWAY(s) connect through Ancestor, John "Minter" HOLLOWAY b. 1782 NC and wife, Margery PATE b. 1782 VA. Actually we are not sure about Minter being born in NC, since the state lines were being redrawn at the time of his birth, so he could have been born in TN, but somewhere around the Cumberland Gap. Minter and Margery were last recorded on the 1860 Pope Co, IL Census, residing with the Sistler family (aka:Sitzler), they were already quite elderly for that generation. We do not know if they died in Pope County, or if they moved with their sons to other states. Included with their descendants, we also have connection with Burton Williamson HOLLOWAY, and Bremillion HOLLOWAY (VA/TN). Burton migrated about the same time with his wife and children, as Minter, Margery and the SISTLER/ SITZLER families. Two of Minter and Margery's children married into SISTLER before they migrated. I believe that Minter Holloway is the son of William "Billey" HOLLOWAY b. 1754 VA and Frances MEADOR b. 1750 VA. I have about 22 William HOLLOWAY(s) between 1729-1890, so we really have to watch the locations and birth dates to avoid hysteria-confusion. I have one Obediah HOLLOWAY, son of William HOLLOWAY b. 1734 VA and Martha BALLARD b. 1735 VA (confirmed DAR records, 1998). I show they had 7 children, but all are not proven. I have no further info on Obediah, so if this is the right person, then I would appreciate you sharing what you have, so I can get on the research trail with you. I don't show anything under the spelling of BUCY...could there be a different spelling variation? Thanks for coming forward with this...there is always hope as long as we all keep digging and are willing to share. Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] wrote: > Carol, Which Holloway are you working on? > Mine, Martha(Patsy) Halloway/Holloway, dau of Obediah Holloway and Elizabeth > ? Martha (born in Rockingham Co. NC 1790) married Wm. Bucy, 1808 in NC. > Both Wm. and Martha died in Calloway Co. KY. They had 8 or 9 children to my > knowledge. Joan Southwick

I'm here waiting to hear the name of SHUFFLEBARGER or BELFORD, John D. Adams or SMEE Melba Waddell Bailey

Linda......NO INTRUSION AT ALL!! Why not post some of them to see if others have a match?? Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [email protected] wrote: > I hope, I am not intruding on the Holloway discussion, but I have several > Holloway from Va. that md. into the Hudgens which came to Williamson Co., IL. > Linda Holmes White