Subject: [VAROCKIN] (no subject) > "In the event you don't have a computer close at > hand to do the calculating: > > REMEMBER 8870 > That's not an error: It's the number to remember > when you want to find the birthdate of someone > when you only have the date of death and age. > How do you figure the birthdate? Suppose the > person died May 6, 1889, > at the age of 71 years, 7 months, 9 days. > ****Write the year, month, day as:->18890506 > ****Subtract the age at death:------->710709 > ****This gives the figure:--------->18179797 > ****Now subtract 8870:----------------->8870 > ****The result is:----------------->18170927 > Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, > 1817 > >From Platte Co, MO Historical/Genealogical > Society" >

Nancy S         You indcate that you have marriage index for KY. Will you please look for a marriage of Eli POWELL to a Nancy LATHAM for the year of 1822. Eli came from Il to KY and married. They remained in KY long enough to have a son named Andrew before returning to IL. This was Elis 2nd marriage.         I don't know what co or anything else as to where they lived in KY. This is a very elusive man.         Tks Jim

Diane, I am not activaly researching the Battershell family. I am however very interested. Jewel Battershell married Alva "Hap" Benz. They had a son Robert Benz who married Mary Beth Montgomery. Mary & Roberts youngest child is the father of my two oldest children. If any of the names above are in your files I would love to be able to pass the information on to my daughters. Thank you Tammy

Sounds like you should complain to the local congressman. You would be surprised what congressman can shake loose. In Illinois, you now have a congressman that is speaker of the house. Much as people hated ole Newt being speaker, the locals kept votong him in - specifically for that reason. You would be surprised what the Speaker can shake loose. Newt had an entire phone-bank taking public complaints and handling them. Contact the speaker and complain. Also, I wonder if you could get a court order compelling her to cooperate. I think the FOIA applies to state records as well as federal. There may also be an Illinois "Open Records" law you could use. I believe you can file a lawsuit if they refuse an FOIA request. If they say they "Found Nothing", you can challenge this. If the county has to spend money to fend off FOIA suits, the commissioners may put their thumb on her. Sounds like she's using this as a money scam. Contact a local Real Estate Appraisor. Counties are required by law to allow Appraisors full access to property records. That may be a wedge to get your foot in the door also. TRVLTAILR@aol.com wrote: > > I know in Hamilton Co. the County Clerk will not let any look ups to be done > by the public. In fact, she won't even let the Mormons come in and record > the data. Also, she will not release the information to the IL State > Archives. She makes you send her $5 and the exact name and date. If what > she finds is not the exact name or the exact date, she will tell you she > found nothing. IT MUST BE EXACT! And we all know that in the 1800's the > people's spelling left a lot to be desired. It makes me mad enough to spit. > I pray everyday that there is not a fire and all of those records are not > destroyed forever! If she does let someone look at the record books, they > are not allowed to bring in a lap top computer or anything. You can only use > a pencil and paper. But she rarely ever lets anyone look at the books.

Thanks that was ALOT OF HELP. Glenda Lockett Ramsey of OK

Boone Co. IL Rogers, George W Spouse : Webster, Charlotte Marriage date : Dec 17, 1853 Pike Co. IL Rogers, George Spouse : Daniels, Mary Marriage date : Jan 28, 1841 Rogers, George W Spouse : Ator, Louiza Marriage date : Feb 1, 1846 McLean Co. Kentucky Lockett, Sarah Spouse : Robey, J W Marriage date : Jun 24, 1874 I have Marriage Index: IL, IN, KY, OH, TN, 1720-1926 and these are the only Rogers and Lockett with the name you are asking about. They may have gotten married on the east coast. Nancy S.

Thenyou must go higher than the "Clerk" she has no right to keep those PUBLIC records from anyone! We have a lady on another list I am on who went to the State Rep. and just kept going until finaly they are getting pretty easy at the court house in Washington County IL. There's just something about those "clerk" they should remember who gave them their job! I feel better now! :) Have a great day all of you. Tammy

I know in Hamilton Co. the County Clerk will not let any look ups to be done by the public. In fact, she won't even let the Mormons come in and record the data. Also, she will not release the information to the IL State Archives. She makes you send her $5 and the exact name and date. If what she finds is not the exact name or the exact date, she will tell you she found nothing. IT MUST BE EXACT! And we all know that in the 1800's the people's spelling left a lot to be desired. It makes me mad enough to spit. I pray everyday that there is not a fire and all of those records are not destroyed forever! If she does let someone look at the record books, they are not allowed to bring in a lap top computer or anything. You can only use a pencil and paper. But she rarely ever lets anyone look at the books.

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Glenda, Go to one of the SSDI search engines and find your person. There will be a box you can click on that will print out a letter requesting the application form for that person. There are lots of sites that have the SSDI; the one I used this time was: http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com Cathie > How do you get a list of the Soc. Sec. applications? > Glenda Lockett Ramsey of OK > >

Thanks for the good replies, I will forward your message on to the person who sent me the message. Imo Lee Card Greenwood Searching surnames: ACUFF, BARLOW, BAYNES, BIRD(BYRD), CARD, GREER, LAMB ODOM , RENFRO, SHOEMATE, THOMAS. My Husbands: GREENWOOD, KITZMILLER, CULP

Thank you for help. Glenda Lockett Ramsey os OK

In a message dated 1/30/00 6:47:54 PM Central Standard Time, GRamsey406@aol.com writes: << William Frank died before the index was established. He died in 1894. >> Social Security was started about 1937, I think. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am now looking for Susan Lockett Rogers (Mrs George Rogers) . She was born in Cheshire Eng and is believed to have come to IL. Glenda Lockett Ramsey

Cathie Thank you for the info. I don't think that there are any Locketts in this index so I guess William Frank died before the index was established. He died in 1894. Glenda Lockett Ramsey from OK

--part1_ae.b2fcfb.25c63164_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I would pass this on a cousin sent it to me today. Think I will do it and then someone down the line won't half to wait 70 years to get the information. Sharon D. --part1_ae.b2fcfb.25c63164_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <dread@greencis.net> Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:48:01 -0500 Received: from gcinet.net (ns1.gcinet.net [38.193.38.5]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:47:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 82744 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2000 11:47:50 -0000 Received: from pop60.gcinet.net (HELO greencis.net) (38.193.38.69) by ns1.gcinet.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 11:47:50 -0000 Message-ID: <38947A26.D5AB3BF9@greencis.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:51:34 -0600 From: Donald Read <dread@greencis.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carnes, Dyana" <Dylyca@aol.com>, "Davis, Sharon" <SDavis1647@aol.com>, Swift Gary <gswift@netcom.com>, "Lake, Anita" <anitalake@aol.com>, Lonnie & Martha Boggs <lmboggs@hsutx.edu>, "Lewis, Amy" <twogals@ameritech.net>, "MGreve1517@aol.com" <MGreve1517@aol.com>, "Miller, Janice Truit" <scruffpup@worldnet.att.net>, "Mortimer, Bill" <mortimer@redshift.com>, "Burrows, Linda" <wrtc@netscape.net>, "Lopeman, Bob" <lopeman.1@osu.edu>, "Jorge, Emily Symons" <esymonsj@pacbell.net>, Linda Lopeman <BLopeman@aol.com>, Rickwalt Don <rickwalt@email.com>, Compton Mike & Marie <Comptonml@aol.com>, "Coon, Gary" <glcoon@dellnet.com>, Elsie Lopeman <elopeman@olypen.com>, Shirley Smith <neece@ecis.com>, Andy Mills <mauddib@io.com>, Cindy Carter <cindycurrlin@worldnet.att.net>, Tony Day <d2days@ipa.net>, Pat Stelzer <Pasdos@aol.com>, Mariana Zuelsdorf <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net>, Daniel Gilligan <dannygilligan@ameritech.net>, Larry Keesan <kauhna@uswest.net>, Marilyn Morgan <memorgan@pacbell.net>, Richard Acker <richard.acker@lmco.com>, Sharie Paulson <kinhistorian@email.msn.com>, Linda Lou Matsui <klmn.matsui@tokai.or.jp>, Gary Barton <gbarton@pacbell.net>, Carol and Mark Felone <cmfelone@together.net>, Mike and Nancy Read <readm@cadvision.com>, Mark Read <mread@uniserve.com>, Pat Read <mcread1@juno.com>, Ginger France <gfrance@revealed.net>, Wes Bradley <wbradley@internetni.com>, Linda Jindra <ljindra@kanokla.com>, Diana Lamb <ldlamb@hypertech.net> Subject: [Fwd: 2000 census forms tip] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------613AE763E146427AF0D38204" --------------613AE763E146427AF0D38204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this and it is probably a good idea. Will only be 70 years before they release this one. More snow today, but got out for a little yesterday. Don. --------------613AE763E146427AF0D38204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: <pjhjr@juno.com> Delivered-To: gcinet-net-dread@greencis.net Received: (qmail 74655 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2000 00:25:59 -0000 Received: from m12.boston.juno.com (205.231.101.194) by ns1.gcinet.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 00:25:59 -0000 Received: "G9bIW2mhJyYxjXIz9Tbbp32OA9FVW2vW/iluSr+2nU4=" Received: (from pjhjr@juno.com) by m12.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EXKFL5CD; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:25:19 EST To: anthes@sky.net Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:20:08 -0600 Subject: 2000 census forms tip Message-ID: <20000130.122112.-4035787.3.pjhjr@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: pjhjr@juno.com I received this tip from another list! And thought it was worth sharing!! If you receive the 2000 census forms through the mail, make a copy of it before you mail it back. Put the copy in with your family research.This way your descendants will not have to wait 70 years to learn about you! --------------613AE763E146427AF0D38204-- --part1_ae.b2fcfb.25c63164_boundary--

I kinda doubt that the Illinois records will be closed to the public since they are working so hard to get all of the marriage information on line. Just my thoughts on the matter Dorothy janet wrote: > I was at the Pittsfield Courthouse on the 14th of this month and looked up > some birth cert. It cost me $2.00 per copy . Unless this has happened > recently which I can't imagine them doing this. They (the staff) would have > to do all our look ups and I doubt they have the time plus doing their > regular duties to do this. > Janet > -----Original Message-----

Hello List; Has anyone found the records in IL closed to the public. I've received email from a source, that said this has happened. Hear is what the email states. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:36:31 EST > From: HGMetzler@aol.com > Subject: Fwd: Help keep Iowa records open. > > In a message dated 1/25/00 3:35:01 PM, Pmauer writes: > > The State of Iowa is considering closing their records to the public. > This has already been done in the State of Illinois where you have to > rely on someone in the courthouse to look things up for you for a fee of > $2.00 and if you want a copy, that > is $8.00 more. > > Many of the people from the East went to Iowa and you may need to obtain > some of their records, if not now, in the future. > Does anyone have any idea if this is true or not. If it is, then we all need to make our voices heard loud and clear, no closing to the public, I always thought the records belonged to the people, not county officials. Please , if you know this is true or false let the list know. Thank you, Imo Greenwood Imo Lee Card Greenwood Searching surnames: ACUFF, BARLOW, BAYNES, BIRD(BYRD), CARD, GREER, LAMB ODOM , RENFRO, SHOEMATE, THOMAS. My Husbands: GREENWOOD, KITZMILLER, CULP

Hi Gene; could you tell me what cemeteries you took pictures of. I've been searching for my gr gr grandfather, Joseph Card, burial site, believe to be in Atlas or/near Kinderhook, he died 1847. Also Elijah Humphery, who died in 1844. Thanks for your time and help. Always, Imo Greenwood. Imo Lee Card Greenwood Searching surnames: ACUFF, BARLOW, BAYNES, BIRD(BYRD), CARD, GREER, LAMB ODOM , RENFRO, SHOEMATE, THOMAS. My Husbands: GREENWOOD, KITZMILLER, CULP

FYI, the details of the 1830 census are at: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/il/pike/1830/pg0227.txt Greg Turnbaugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "janet" <jlt@adams.net> To: <ILPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 12:47 PM Subject: [ILPIKE] 1830 census > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/il/pike/1830/index.txt