This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------618D5BEA9BB154A1C313FA26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, Does anyone have any info that could help Debbie out? James and Sally Ann Davis were from Montgomery Co. TN and some of the family ended up in Williamson CO. IL by 1880. James had children: Jim, Ira (of Johnston City, IL), and Mrs. W.D. Toler of Herrin, IL. James may be related to John William Henry Davis who married Elizabeth Sarah Toovey in 1854 in Williamson CO.IL. John W.H. and E. Sarah may have moved to Greene CO. MO by 1880. Appreciate any help. Thanks, Nancy Helvey --------------618D5BEA9BB154A1C313FA26 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: (qmail 2605 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2000 06:09:25 -0000 Received: from maverick.net (HELO mavserver-2.maverick.net) (208.15.174.1) by mx10.rmci.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2000 06:09:25 -0000 Received: from default ([208.15.174.134]) by mavserver-2.maverick.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 519-45686U1100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA332 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:09:23 -0600 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Debbie McMinn" <[email protected]> To: "Nancy Helvey" <[email protected]> Subject: Davis Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:13:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Nancy, I didnt mean to send that to the list since it didnt apply to Mont. Co.. I cant find anything on James Davis. Here is what I do know: James Davis m. Sally Ann Ferrell on 1-16-1874 Mont. Co. Sally b. 10-28-1857 They had one daughter Mary James +ACI-Mollie+ACI- Davis on 4-12-1875. Sometime before 1880 he just up and left (No divorce has been found) Sallie remarried in 1880. He moved to Southern IL and remarried and had a family when he died they found some papers with his daughters name on it and they contacted her to tell her he had died. His children kept in contact with her since they were 1/2 siblings until her death in 1955. I cant find their descendents now. Debbie --------------618D5BEA9BB154A1C313FA26--

Does anyone know how I can get a copy of the obituary for Oliver Columbus "Lum" BROWNING? He died in Perry Co, Oct 25, 1909. I know is parents were Samuel S BROWNING and Martha THORNTON, but I'm having trouble finding out where in IL they were born or died. Thanks Jo

Sorry Jewell, I don't have any William yet. Jo

Jo, Do you have any information on William McCollum who married Hulda Woodward 4-16-1856? Thanks, Jewell - ------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.

...Whoa!!! WHEN did Illinois start THIS????(see email below) Randolph and Perry Counties were NOT charging last October, only if you wanted a certified copy (in Perry).....have they changed things around since then???? Talk to me (us!) you Illinois residents!!! :( Jean [email protected] ALHN Perry Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilperr/index.html">Perry ALHN</A> ALHN Monroe Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilmonr/">Monroe ALHN</A> In a message dated 2/2/00 9:39:48 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Help keep Iowa records open. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/25/00 3:35:01 PM, > Pmauer writes: > > > > > > > > > > The State of Iowa is considering closing their records to the public. > > > > > This has already been done in the State of Illinois where you have to rely on someone in the courthouse to look things up for you for a fee > > > of $2.00 and if you want a copy, that $8.00 more. > > > > > > > > > > Even if you are not an Iowa resident, please be part of the numbers to > > > be heard about how important it is to have these available. Send an email > > > > > to > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > and > > > > > [email protected] >>

Jennifer, I Have an Alice Brown who married Oliver Columbus (Lum) Browning on 25 Jan 1878 in Franklin Co. I have nothing else on the Brown surname. Lum (I never knew he had a real name) was the son of Samuel S Browning and Martha Thornton. I'm just starting these linesso I don't have much. Jo

Hi List, Need a look up on HILLEN or HILLIN in the 1840-1880 censuses of Perry CO. Thanks, Nancy Helvey

Hi List, Does anyone know about these HILLEN marriages? JAMES HILLEN married Mary Ann GALLIGER 2-17-1850 in Perry CO. JAMES C. HILLEN married Catherine TACKET 9-15-1870 in Franklin CO. NATHANIEL HILLEN married Mrs. Lora FULLER 10-1-1848 in Perry Co. NATHANIEL HILLIN married Sarah Ann BENEFIELD 3-11-1858 in Jackson CO. Nancy Helvey

My name is Jo Kramer. I have just subscribed to the Perry Co. Discussion List. My surnames that cross through Perry Co. are: BROWN, BROWNING, CLARK, HARTSOCK, KELLOGG, LECROY, MCCOY, MCCOLLUM, PIERCE, TAYLOR, THORNTON, and WOODSIDE.

Sounds like a good idea to me. --------- The year 2000 is a Census Year. Most of the census will be taken by mail. After you have filled out your census form why not make a copy of it and file with your important (genealogy) papers. Then your family will not have to wait 70 years to learn about you.

Looking for any information on John House, son of Jacob House, and Minerva (or Manerva) Orton, daughter of Johnzy (Jonzey) Orton. They were married after the census in 1850. I think John was born about 1823 in NC and Minerva about 1836 in Perry County. John died after the 9 May 1910 census, as he was living with daughter Julia Faye and her husband Edward Hagler at that time. Have not been able to locate a marriage date for them in any of the indexes, nor a death date for Minerva. Any help would be appreciated. Carla (Hegler) Nicholson

Hi List, Would someone check the censuses (1850-1880) for me. Searching for HUMPHRIES, LOGAN, and RUSH. These families would be from Virginia (Washington CO. VA) most likely (esp. the Davis girls). Martha Davis married JOSHUA LOGAN 3-15-1831 in Wash. CO. VA. Martha Davis married BENJAMIN RUSH 6-2-1836 in Wash. CO. VA. Kesiah Davis married REUBEN HUMPHRIES 3-4-1824 in Wash. CO. VA. Thanks, Nancy Helvey

-----Original Message----- From: Susan Tortorelli <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: [ILGEN-L] Fwd: [STATE-COORD-L] Help with Tombstones >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:50:51 -0500 >From: Tim Stowell <[email protected]> >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Help with Tombstones >To: [email protected] > > I got the following from another list. Hope this info. clears up some >graveyard mysteries for some of you. > >Dating Tombstones > >One way to help find the era your ancestor was buried is to examine the >material from which the tombstone is made. If your ancestor has a stone >made of slate or common fieldstone (except wood used by pioneers), chances >are >the stone dates from 1796-1830. > > * If the stone is flat-topped hard marble, dates are about 1830-1849. > > * If the "mystery" stone is round or pointed soft marble with cursive > inscriptions, look for a date of 1845-1868. > > * Masonic four-sided stones began in 1850 and are still in use today. > > * Pylons, columns and all exotic-style monuments are usually dated >1860-1900. > > * Zinc monuments date from 1870-1900. > > * Granite, now common, came into use about 1900. > > If the writing is too faded to read, use a 75 watt black light bulb in any > lamp that casts light directly on the written message. The writing will > miraculously appear. >---------------------------- >Interesting link regarding gravestones! > >http://www.gravestonestudies.org > >Gravestone Rubbings Dos and Don'ts from the Association for Gravestone >Studies > >http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Some > > >Tim

...awhile back, someone mentioned about "buying" the microfilms from someplace online..cheap..or less costly anyway. at the time, i had no need of this information, and as usual..two weeks later and i do! ...does anyone remember, know or have the url for the place that sells them??? (this is for illinois data) ...appreciate your help..and thanks! Jean [email protected] ALHN Perry Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilperr/index.html">Perry ALHN</A> ALHN Monroe Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilmonr/">Monroe ALHN</A>

This is a great site for searching for information in Illinois. The Illinois State Archives has some county-specific searchable databases at: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/database.html Terasa

Some of you may already have this information, but I am sure there are others like me who do not. While at my local library genealogy room I came across these two articles. I would like to share them in hopes that they might help someone in their research. STATUS OF WOMEN - GOOD/BAD Genealogists should be aware of laws and amendments from 1907 to 1916 that determine citizenship for American women and even robbed certain American women of their citizenship. 2 March 1907 - as a result of section 3 of an act of Congress, any American woman who married a man not born in the U.S. assumed the nationality of her husband. 22 Sept. 1922 Congress repealed section 3 but did not restore citizenship. 22 Sept. 1922 - 25 June 1936 - A native born American woman who married a man of foreign birth was required to do the following to regain her citizenship: file a petition for citizenship; provide proof and witnesses to the facts of her petition and character; take an oath of allegiance, and receive a certificate of naturalization. 25 June 1936 - a woman who married a foreigner was required to prove that she was born in the USA, that she had lost her citizenship by marriage to an alien and that the marriage had ended. She then took an oath of allegiance, using Form2234. Two copies of this form were filed, one in the court where the naturalization occurred and the other with the Naturalization Service. 3 March 1931 - a woman no longer acquired citizenship through marriage to a citizen or through the naturalization of her husband. Instead, she could achieve citizenship independently by fulfilling all of the requirements (46 Stats.1511, Sec 2). After march 1931, marriage to an alien did not dictate that a woman lose her citizenship, unless she formally renounced her citizenship in a court of law (46 Stat.1511, Sec.3a). An understanding of these acts of congress may answer questions about the nationality of your female ancestor. Irish Gen. Quarterly, March'88 Vol 7; Carlton G.S. April '99 ADOPTION RECORDS These records did not become confidential until July 8, 1941 when Act 1941, Chapter 146, Section 6 became effective. Legislation pertaining to adoptions that had been enacted prior to 1941, focused on the issure of providing legal proof to heirship to that the adopted child become an heir at law of the adoptive parents. The intent of the pre 1941 legislation was to make the adoption a public matter. All adoptions prior to 1941 were recorded in the civic or probate order book which were and are public records. Records pertaining to adoptions after July 8, 1941, are confidential: All court orders, judgments, case filed, etc. pertaining to post 1941 adoptions are to remain confidential. Zion, IL G.S. '95; Carlton Co G.S. Feb '99

i made that particular 'subject' heading for those who only want to 'talk' genealogy...this letter is kinda, sorta, by the faintest smidgeon of your imagination, genealogy related......if the list-owner feels it can't pass muster..i will understand. ...its THAT time of year again! last january i asked for your help with one of my 'projects', and you all helped tremendously, now i am asking again... ...here's what i need...your TRUE stories of anything of the supernatural that you have experienced. seen a ghost? feel you have lived before? forseen events that later take place? had an out of body experience? commune with the 'dead'? ANYTHING qualifies...and if you have pictures..so much the better! please email me privately, along with a statement saying you are allowing me to use your story. Thanks in advance! anxiously awaiting your letters.. Jean [email protected]

WOW!!! THANKS y'all! so far i have received over 150 emails...and EVERY LAST ONE of them says the same thing..KEEP THE DATA ORIGINAL... so...that is what i will do! (YES, i DID read each and every one!) :) ....it may take me awhile, but for those of you who sent in "changes", it WILL be added, somewhere, somehow! just please be patient with me! :) ....many thanks to all who took the time to write, and i DO appreciate all the ideas you gave me! ( and the kind words!) Happy Hunting! Jean [email protected] ALHN Perry Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilperr/index.html">Perry ALHN</A> ALHN Monroe Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilmonr/">Monroe ALHN</A>

Jean, Well, since you asked....... You know, I don't know exactly what to tell you to do about the dilemma, and it certainly IS a dilemma. I do know that I found a lot of incorrect information myself during a research trip this past Labor Day. I visited Galum Baptist Cemetery and Haggard Cemetery, finding transcription mistakes at both on my Eaton and Haggard ancestors. All I can say is that I checked and double-checked the stones. Some were so difficult to read with my eyes that I also used my fingers to read them- kind of like Braille. As a family member, I may have been more willing to spend the extra time doing that than an earlier volunteer. I feel very sure of the information I came away with and very sure that the original info in the transcription was wrong- or missing. However, I understand that you wouldn't want to change the information without proof. Would it be possible to put a listing at the bottom of each transcription showing corrections others had made, without changing the information from the original? That way future readers and researchers would be aware that there is some discrepancy. Then they could decide whether to take further action to verify the information for themselves. Cathey

...ok peoples...i need some help/input here...put on your "thinking" caps! ...the data i put on my websites are 90% taken from courtcounty records. many times they are incomplete, wrong data, or listed as male/female birth etc., i type them up EXACTLY as they are listed, then post it to the site, and sure enough, i get letters telling me that such and such entry SHOULD BE so and so's name/date/etc. ....my problem/dilema is this...SHOULD i change my entries to the "correction" i have received, even tho i myself have no 'proof' of it? or should i leave it as recorded?? the same applies to names/dates that are NOT included in the county records, should i ADD them??? ...please don't misunderstand, i am NOT doubting for even one second, the validity of these corrections i receive....i just don't like the idea of "changing history", so to speak. let me know what you think/do on this...puleasssssse! :) Jean [email protected] ALHN Perry Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilperr/index.html">Perry ALHN</A> ALHN Monroe Co. IL <A HREF="http://www.usgennet.org/~ahilmonr/">Monroe ALHN</A>