To clarify my last email I submit the following information. Hurff Ackerman Saunders b.10 Jul, 1903 d.29 Aug, 1966 Father Elmore Lee Saunders b. ca 1874 Mother Mary Ackerman b. unknown Grandfather William I Saunders b. ca 1859 Grandmother Mary Selina Hurff b.11 May, 1850 Father of Mary S Hurff is Thomas Hurff of Elmwood, IL (owned the house of the Elmwood County Club, Golf Course) Hurff A Saunders and his wife of five years show up on the 1930 census at age 26 as a civil engineer working for and oil company. He evidently ended up in Alaska working for the government. See below. I would like to get any information on his ancestors in Il as they were from the Elmwood /Peoria area. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >From the U S Senate Mr. MURKOWSKI. (Senator of Alaska) Mr. President, I rise today to introduce a bill that will dedicate the Juneau, Alaska Federal building in honor of Hurff Saunders who passed away in 1996. Hurff was a lifelong Alaskan who touched the lives of countless people in Southeast Alaska and played an important role in Alaska's history both as a territory and as a state. Among his many accomplishments, Hurff was a federal government civil engineer in charge of the construction of the Juneau federal building. Typical of Hurff's efforts, the Juneau federal building project was completed on time and under budget. In addition, Hurff helped to correct many of the navigational charts for Southeast Alaska thereby assisting the United States Navy and the Coast Guard in safely carrying out their missions in southeast Alaska during World War II. I am privileged to have known Hurff and his family quite well. Hurff's wife Florence was one of my teachers as a young boy growing up in Ketchikan. Hurff and Florence were wonderful people, who left a long and lasting impression on those around them. Mr. President, I have received copies of a number of resolutions, including one passed by the City and Borough of Juneau, all requesting that the Juneau federal building be dedicated in Hurff's memory. Many other Alaskans who also knew Hurff have taken the time to write and to share their support. Hurff was a dedicated public servant who touched the lives of many Alaskans. Naming the Juneau federal building in his honor would be a fitting and lasting tribute to his memory. Finally, Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that a copy of this legislation and supporting resolutions be printed in the Record.

Could you give us a little more information about your ancestors? Tell us their first names and dates of birth, marriages, deaths, where they were buried. Even approximate dates would help. Could you also give us the maiden names of the wives, etc. Give us the names and dates if the children also. Also, if you know where they were born, where they were when they died; etc. All that information helps us to help you. Also, you could tell us what research you have done so far; if you have checked the different census years; the SSDI, or other places Diane Ward Sives Genealogist David Ackerman Descendants-1662

Very interesting Robert, wonder if my gggrandmother who was a Jkvr. in the Netherlands and married against her parents wishes a commoner, (a French doctor) and was disinherited, wondered if that was considered a Morganatic marriage, since she was the one of royal birth. Marie in Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Parks Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 4:34 PM To: ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILPEORIA-L] Morganatic Marriages Here is a litte longer explanation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage Bob in Benton, PA Morganatic marriage From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. A morganatic marriage is a type of marriage which can be contracted in certain countries, usually between persons of unequal social rank (unebenbürtig in German), which prevents the passage of the husband's titles and privileges to the wife and any children born of the marriage. Often, this is a marriage between a male from a royal or reigning house, often a historical German state, and a woman of lesser status (a non-royal or reigning house, or a woman with a low-status profession such as actress). Neither the bride nor any children of the marriage has any claim on the groom's titles, rights, or entailed property. The children are considered legitimate on other counts and the prohibition of bigamy applies. Morganatic, from the Latin phrase matrimonium ad morganaticam, refers to the gift given by the groom to the bride on the morning after the wedding. The practice of morganatic marriage was most common in the German-speaking parts of Europe, where equality in marriage was considered an important principle among the reigning houses and high nobility. The German name was Ehe zur linken Hand (marriage by the left hand) and the husband gave his left hand during the wedding ceremony instead of the right. Morganatic marriage was not possible as such in England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom. The French equivalent was a (openly) secret marriage. Examples of morganatic marriage: € Franz Ferdinand of Austria and Countess Sophie Chotek von Chotkowa. The bride was made Princess (later Duchess) of Hohenberg by Franz Josef. Their children took their mother's name and rank, and were excluded from the imperial succession. € Prince Alexander of Hesse, son of the Grand Duke of Hesse and the Rhine, and Countess Julia von Hauke. The Grand Duke made the bride Princess of Battenburg, and the resulting family provided a ruler of Bulgaria and royal consorts for Spain and the United Kingdom. € Prince Alexander of Württemberg and Claudine Rhedey. She was made Countess of Hohenstein; their children were later granted the title of Prince of Teck. The eldest son, Franz, was later made Duke of Teck. His daughter Mary of Teck married George V of the United Kingdom. € Ludwig Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria and (actress) Henriette Mendel. She was created Freifrau von Wallersee, and their daughter, Marie Louise, Countess Larisch von Moennich, was a confidante of Empress Elisabeth ("Sisi") of Austria. € Louis XIV of France married Madame de Maintenon in secret. As there were no provisions for morganatic marriage in British law, specific statutory means of depriving Wallis Simpson of the titles of her husband, formerly King Edward VIII had to be improvised. It has been suggested that similar arrangements could be cobbled together for Prince Charles and Camilla Parker-Bowles should they wish to be married and objections to her bearing specific titles remain strong. > A little while back, someone wrote the list asking if anyone knew what a > "Morganatic Marriage" was. > In today's PANTAGRAPH newspaper from Bloomington, Illinois dated January 24, > 2004 there is a trivia column called Grab Bag. > It had this to say about Morganatic Marriages: > > A Matrimonial match-up of a person of royalty with a commoner. > It doesn't bestow royal rank on the "inferior" partner. > And doesn't entitle the "lowborn" mate to inherit royal property. > > The word "Morganatic" comes from a Latin phrase meaning "marriage with morning > gift". > > Marie in Illinois > > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== > Visit the Peoria County ILGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.usgennet.org/~ilpeoria/index.html > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Here is a litte longer explanation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage Bob in Benton, PA Morganatic marriage From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. A morganatic marriage is a type of marriage which can be contracted in certain countries, usually between persons of unequal social rank (unebenbürtig in German), which prevents the passage of the husband's titles and privileges to the wife and any children born of the marriage. Often, this is a marriage between a male from a royal or reigning house, often a historical German state, and a woman of lesser status (a non-royal or reigning house, or a woman with a low-status profession such as actress). Neither the bride nor any children of the marriage has any claim on the groom's titles, rights, or entailed property. The children are considered legitimate on other counts and the prohibition of bigamy applies. Morganatic, from the Latin phrase matrimonium ad morganaticam, refers to the gift given by the groom to the bride on the morning after the wedding. The practice of morganatic marriage was most common in the German-speaking parts of Europe, where equality in marriage was considered an important principle among the reigning houses and high nobility. The German name was Ehe zur linken Hand (marriage by the left hand) and the husband gave his left hand during the wedding ceremony instead of the right. Morganatic marriage was not possible as such in England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom. The French equivalent was a (openly) secret marriage. Examples of morganatic marriage: € Franz Ferdinand of Austria and Countess Sophie Chotek von Chotkowa. The bride was made Princess (later Duchess) of Hohenberg by Franz Josef. Their children took their mother's name and rank, and were excluded from the imperial succession. € Prince Alexander of Hesse, son of the Grand Duke of Hesse and the Rhine, and Countess Julia von Hauke. The Grand Duke made the bride Princess of Battenburg, and the resulting family provided a ruler of Bulgaria and royal consorts for Spain and the United Kingdom. € Prince Alexander of Württemberg and Claudine Rhedey. She was made Countess of Hohenstein; their children were later granted the title of Prince of Teck. The eldest son, Franz, was later made Duke of Teck. His daughter Mary of Teck married George V of the United Kingdom. € Ludwig Wilhelm, Duke in Bavaria and (actress) Henriette Mendel. She was created Freifrau von Wallersee, and their daughter, Marie Louise, Countess Larisch von Moennich, was a confidante of Empress Elisabeth ("Sisi") of Austria. € Louis XIV of France married Madame de Maintenon in secret. As there were no provisions for morganatic marriage in British law, specific statutory means of depriving Wallis Simpson of the titles of her husband, formerly King Edward VIII had to be improvised. It has been suggested that similar arrangements could be cobbled together for Prince Charles and Camilla Parker-Bowles should they wish to be married and objections to her bearing specific titles remain strong. > A little while back, someone wrote the list asking if anyone knew what a > "Morganatic Marriage" was. > In today's PANTAGRAPH newspaper from Bloomington, Illinois dated January 24, > 2004 there is a trivia column called Grab Bag. > It had this to say about Morganatic Marriages: > > A Matrimonial match-up of a person of royalty with a commoner. > It doesn't bestow royal rank on the "inferior" partner. > And doesn't entitle the "lowborn" mate to inherit royal property. > > The word "Morganatic" comes from a Latin phrase meaning "marriage with morning > gift". > > Marie in Illinois > > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== > Visit the Peoria County ILGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.usgennet.org/~ilpeoria/index.html > >

Is anyone connected to these folks? Looking for ancesters, descendants of Hurff Ackerman Saunders and info on his wife Florence. Thanks, Bob Parks Benton, PA

If you have any connection to these family lines please let me know. Via the St.Louis,Peoria and other areas. Thanks Annerose.

Marie, Thank you va

Hi Murray, We have corresponded before on the Collins/Gouran name. I was hoping to go back a little further on Adelia. I found her mother Mary on the 1870 census living with Adelia Collins Gouran her daughter. Have you been able to go further back? I cannot recall if you said this was your direct line or not. Write me at eebayles@msn.com Marie in Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Hines Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:07 AM To: ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILPEORIA-L] PEORIA CO. NAMES ON MY TREE I have the following Gouran's in my data: Everett Hines (John3, John2, John1) was born July 25, 1873 in Richwoods Township, Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois, and died Abt. 1960 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois. He married Adelia Gouran August 11, 1900 in Pontiac, Illinois, daughter of John Gouran and Adelia Collins. She was born July 02, 1875 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois, and died December 28, 1958 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois. Murray Hines Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELMER BAYLES" <eebayles@msn.com> To: <ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [ILPEORIA-L] PEORIA CO. NAMES ON MY TREE > I would like to correspond via email with the people working on the following surnames that resided in Peoria county, Illinois between 1830-1930 to exchange genealogy data. > We can make corrections and/or additions. > Thank You! > Marie-Frances Bayles > eebayles@msn.com > > COYLE > TRACY > COLLINS > POWERS > HIETTER (various spellings) > WEESE (various spellings) > WESTPHAL > GOURAN > DEMPSEY > BIGLIAZZI > GEBHART (various spellings) > COSTELLO/COSLOW > WOLF > SMATTAM > BEVINS > BECHTEL > GAVIGAN/GARIGAN/CARIGAN > > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe send an email with unsubscribe as the subject to > ILPEORIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > To unsubscribe from the digest send email to > ILPEORIA-D-request@rootsweb.com > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== Visit the Peoria County ILGenWeb Home Page! http://www.usgennet.org/~ilpeoria/index.html

Hello Virginia, Could not make any connection with your Collins. My Collins was a Irish Catholic immigrant who migrated straight to Peoria co., Illinois and died there. I am sending you a short paragraph about her family.....below. I would guess from your Collins first name that he was a Protestant....am I correct? Irish Protestants were rare, so that should make it easier for you to find out more about him. Good Luck, Marie in Illinois Descendants of Adelia/Della (T63) Collins Generation No. 1 1. ADELIA/DELLA (T63)2 COLLINS (UNKNOWN (T126)1) was born 1843 in Ireland, and died Bet. 1875 - 1880 in Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois. She married JOHN (T62) GOURAN November 20, 1864 in Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois, son of THOMAS GOURAN and MARGARET GAVIGAN/GARIGAN/CARIGAN. He was born April 1, 1844 in Ireland, and died May 31, 1916 in Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois Children of ADELIA/DELLA COLLINS and JOHN GOURAN are: i. THOMAS3 GOURAN, b. 1865, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; d. June 24, 1919, Limestone twnshp., Peoria co., Illinois. ii. MARY/MARIA J. GOURAN, b. 1867, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; d. December 11, 1948, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois. iii. MARGARET (T31) (MAGGIE) GOURAN, b. February 18, 1869, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; d. 1952, Peoria, Peoria Co., Illinois; m. OTTO (T30) FREDERICK WESTPHAL, 1892, Peoria co., Illinois; b. March 21, 1869, Loganport, Cass co., Indiana; d. June 17, 1940, Peoria , Peoria co., Illinois. iv. JAMES STEPHEN GOURAN, b. May 1873, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; d. January 5, 1935, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; m. MATHILDA BELLE TILLER, Aft. June 5, 1900, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; b. 1882, Missouri; d. April 8, 1950, Bartonville, Peoria co., Illinois. v. ADELIA/DELIA GOURAN, b. July 2, 1875, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; d. December 28, 1958, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois; m. EVERETT HINES, August 11, 1900, Pontiac, Livinston co., Illinois; b. July 25, 1873, Richwood Twnshp., Peoria co., Illinois; d. Abt. 1960, Peoria, Peoria co., Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia L. Aldridge Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:11 AM To: ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILPEORIA-L] Collins in IL Hi Marie, I have an Edson Bonaparte Collins who married into the Bishop family from the general area. These families were in several counties. Do you have a connection for him? Here is some identifying data on him: NANNIE E. BISHOP daughter of Lemuel Newton Bishop and Elsa Anna Bradford Born: 25 October 1864 IL Died: 26 October 1941 Florence, Pinal Co., AZ Burial: Florence Cemetery Florence, Pinal Co., AZ Married: 1) 22 September 1892 Gibson City, Ford Co., IL Bk. 1, p.169 EDSON BONAPARTE COLLINS son of Lorenzo D. Collins and Catherine Smith Born: February 1864 IL Died: 29 September 1903 Chicago, Cook Co., IL Burial: Saybrook, IL Regards, Virginia ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== Visit the Peoria County ILGenWeb Home Page! http://www.usgennet.org/~ilpeoria/index.html

I have the following Gouran's in my data: Everett Hines (John3, John2, John1) was born July 25, 1873 in Richwoods Township, Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois, and died Abt. 1960 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois. He married Adelia Gouran August 11, 1900 in Pontiac, Illinois, daughter of John Gouran and Adelia Collins. She was born July 02, 1875 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois, and died December 28, 1958 in Peoria, Peoria County, Illinois. Murray Hines Mesa, Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELMER BAYLES" <eebayles@msn.com> To: <ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [ILPEORIA-L] PEORIA CO. NAMES ON MY TREE > I would like to correspond via email with the people working on the following surnames that resided in Peoria county, Illinois between 1830-1930 to exchange genealogy data. > We can make corrections and/or additions. > Thank You! > Marie-Frances Bayles > eebayles@msn.com > > COYLE > TRACY > COLLINS > POWERS > HIETTER (various spellings) > WEESE (various spellings) > WESTPHAL > GOURAN > DEMPSEY > BIGLIAZZI > GEBHART (various spellings) > COSTELLO/COSLOW > WOLF > SMATTAM > BEVINS > BECHTEL > GAVIGAN/GARIGAN/CARIGAN > > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe send an email with unsubscribe as the subject to > ILPEORIA-L-request@rootsweb.com > To unsubscribe from the digest send email to > ILPEORIA-D-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi Marie, I have an Edson Bonaparte Collins who married into the Bishop family from the general area. These families were in several counties. Do you have a connection for him? Here is some identifying data on him: NANNIE E. BISHOP daughter of Lemuel Newton Bishop and Elsa Anna Bradford Born: 25 October 1864 IL Died: 26 October 1941 Florence, Pinal Co., AZ Burial: Florence Cemetery Florence, Pinal Co., AZ Married: 1) 22 September 1892 Gibson City, Ford Co., IL Bk. 1, p.169 EDSON BONAPARTE COLLINS son of Lorenzo D. Collins and Catherine Smith Born: February 1864 IL Died: 29 September 1903 Chicago, Cook Co., IL Burial: Saybrook, IL Regards, Virginia

I would like to correspond via email with the people working on the following surnames that resided in Peoria county, Illinois between 1830-1930 to exchange genealogy data. We can make corrections and/or additions. Thank You! Marie-Frances Bayles eebayles@msn.com COYLE TRACY COLLINS POWERS HIETTER (various spellings) WEESE (various spellings) WESTPHAL GOURAN DEMPSEY BIGLIAZZI GEBHART (various spellings) COSTELLO/COSLOW WOLF SMATTAM BEVINS BECHTEL GAVIGAN/GARIGAN/CARIGAN

I have Fred Walz and Elizabeth Reis parents of Fred, Jr., Antoinette and Catherine Walz. From the Sublette area of Lee County, IL. Any connection? Ken Wiltz in CA

A little while back, someone wrote the list asking if anyone knew what a "Morganatic Marriage" was. In today's PANTAGRAPH newspaper from Bloomington, Illinois dated January 24, 2004 there is a trivia column called Grab Bag. It had this to say about Morganatic Marriages: A Matrimonial match-up of a person of royalty with a commoner. It doesn't bestow royal rank on the "inferior" partner. And doesn't entitle the "lowborn" mate to inherit royal property. The word "Morganatic" comes from a Latin phrase meaning "marriage with morning gift". Marie in Illinois

Here is a web site to use when ordering birth, marriage and death certificates at the county level. 1. Click on "States and Territories" 2. Click on State you want. 3. Click on "County". 4. Click on County you want. Marie in Illinois http://www.vitalrec.com/

Here's where you need to go to see the State Archives information on State Census records: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/di/103__002.htm#A1 Cheryl Rothwell logancty@mindspring.com Logan County, IL, Coordinator, ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas et al

Hi Kevin: The library does do look-ups for obituaries, but there is a charge for copies. Either 10 cents or 25 cents, depending on how they make the copies, i.e., from what source. They also want a SASE. Bill in Denver

Kevin: If you are near a library that is with interlibrary loans, they can order the newspaper reels from the Illinois State Library in Springfield. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KJMiller77@aol.com> To: <ILPEORIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [ILPEORIA-L] Obits > Does the Peoria Genealogical Society do obit look-ups, for a fee, if I have > the full name and date of death? > > If not, does anyone know of someone in Peoria who will provide this service > for a fee? > > Thanks! > > Kevin Miller > > > ==== ILPEORIA Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

I am happy you wrote and will post my response to my error on the Peoria Co. website. I was working on two different surnames at the same time and transposed them. Thank you for bringing my attention to the error I made. I agree with you that there is a Henry Hoffner on page 45B, born May 1868 in Illinois. He is a carpenter. Both parents born in Germanyas you have stated. I apologize for any confusion I created. Sandie ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyd32@aol.com To: marana@charter.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Henry Hoffner - 1900 census ?????? Hi Sandie - I saw your response re the 1900 census for Henry Hoffner. Out of curiosity, I too, checked that Colorado census and am puzzled by what you found vs what I found. I found Henry on line 79 census page 45B - born Illinois 1868 - parents both born Germany. Occupation - carpenter 4 months unemployed Lyde

Kevin, I am sure Fred Katko at gfkatko@aol.com would certainly look up an obit for you. He is the Record Searcher for PCGS. I am a member of PCGS and he has done well by me. Just contact him and he will let you know costs. Ken Wiltz