To all, I apologize to all for my temper. Won't make any excuses, just thought I was about to lose what could be a valuable source of information. Its a sore subject but the one person who probably has what I need is not willing to share I hope I will only be able to use my sense of humor from now on. I believe I have a good one most of the time. Please forgive me. Linda

One would receive an F only of one did not note the source and place it in quotes. ---------- > At 08:11 AM 5/14/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Sorry to all if I sounded harsh, that was wrong of me. > > Its early in the morning. :o) I guess the real point to keep in mind is > that this mailing list is archived on RootsWeb. So, if it is not something > you would place on a web page because it is a direct copy from a > publication that has a copyright on it, do not place it on any RootsWeb > mailing list. > > However, something like a list of 10 names from cemetery publication X > which has 1000 names in it falls under fair use. Think of it this way... > if you were still in school and its a report you are writing, would your > teacher give you an F for copying word for word from a book? If so please > do not send it to a RootsWeb mailing list because if discovered by someone > with money to spare, many folks could be involved in a lawsuit. Your > messages do not disappear after being sent to everyones mailbox. They are > archived and searchable from > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Information directly from a census microfilm, items published 75 years ago, > etc.. are fair game even if someone out there is selling their own > transcription of the same thing. They have a copyright on their item, but > not the original census. > > >I guess I have a seen it happen on all lists I am on. But I just want to > make sure I am doing it right. By the way, What is "Flaming"? I heard it > mentioned, and was wondering what it was? > > Say I send a message that says Abe Lincoln is working at McDonalds. You > think I am an idiot for making such a statement, and you would be right. > Flaming is sending a public message to the list telling me I am an idiot, > where to find the guys with white coats etc. If you have to send a message > like that, do it in private mail or be ready to get flamed yourself. :o) > The sad thing is, I have seen many nice folks who just had a bad day flame > someone, then the entire list gets mad at them and they have to pull teeth > to get an answer to even the simplest question. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Illinois USGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb > The Illinois Civil War Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcivilw > Illinois Ancestor Registry http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb/queries > Cook County IL, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcook/cook.htm > Stone Cnty MO., USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostone/stone.htm > Barry Cnty MO., USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mobarry/barry.htm

At 08:11 AM 5/14/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sorry to all if I sounded harsh, that was wrong of me. Its early in the morning. :o) I guess the real point to keep in mind is that this mailing list is archived on RootsWeb. So, if it is not something you would place on a web page because it is a direct copy from a publication that has a copyright on it, do not place it on any RootsWeb mailing list. However, something like a list of 10 names from cemetery publication X which has 1000 names in it falls under fair use. Think of it this way... if you were still in school and its a report you are writing, would your teacher give you an F for copying word for word from a book? If so please do not send it to a RootsWeb mailing list because if discovered by someone with money to spare, many folks could be involved in a lawsuit. Your messages do not disappear after being sent to everyones mailbox. They are archived and searchable from http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Information directly from a census microfilm, items published 75 years ago, etc.. are fair game even if someone out there is selling their own transcription of the same thing. They have a copyright on their item, but not the original census. >I guess I have a seen it happen on all lists I am on. But I just want to make sure I am doing it right. By the way, What is "Flaming"? I heard it mentioned, and was wondering what it was? Say I send a message that says Abe Lincoln is working at McDonalds. You think I am an idiot for making such a statement, and you would be right. Flaming is sending a public message to the list telling me I am an idiot, where to find the guys with white coats etc. If you have to send a message like that, do it in private mail or be ready to get flamed yourself. :o) The sad thing is, I have seen many nice folks who just had a bad day flame someone, then the entire list gets mad at them and they have to pull teeth to get an answer to even the simplest question. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Illinois USGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb The Illinois Civil War Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcivilw Illinois Ancestor Registry http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilgenweb/queries Cook County IL, USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcook/cook.htm Stone Cnty MO., USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostone/stone.htm Barry Cnty MO., USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~mobarry/barry.htm

Sorry to all if I sounded harsh, that was wrong of me. I guess I have a seen it happen on all lists I am on. But I just want to make sure I am doing it right. By the way, What is "Flaming"? I heard it mentioned, and was wondering what it was? Bryn >>> <ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com> 5/13/98 6:12:41 PM >>> In a message dated 98-05-13 19:25:11 EDT, you write: << o: ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com Dear Brian and all, I appreciate your enthusiasm! But I must let you know that posting information taken directly from the census, marriage records, cemetery records, etc... is not allowed. This information is sold by the genealogy society and is their only real way of making money. They have the rights to this. At the "Lookups and Researchers" page of my Ogle County site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/lookups.htm I have people who do free look ups, but they only answer questions, they do not give out printed information. If someone wants printed information, they must contact the Ogle County Genealogy Society and request it, and of course pay the fee. The society can also be reached from my Ogle County site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/societies.htm If anyone has information and would like to do look ups, you must first go to the "Lookups and Researchers" site, read and agree to the rules set by ILGenWeb, join the Ogle County Genealogy Society (their fee is $5.00 per year), and then let me know and I will add you to the list. These are the rules set by the Ogle County Genealogy Society. And we must respect them. Thank you for your understanding! Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle I'm new to this list but a little confused. On every other list I'm on, people offer to share census records, marriage records, death records, info from books,etc. If I do the hard work of copying census records here in Virginia on Ogle County, why can't I share them with others on the list? This is how it is done on every other list I've ever participated on. I understand your need to make money, but why would someone be prohibited from sharing the work that they did with others? I'm not "flaming" just trying to understand because I've never heard of this and I've been on as many as 10 different lists at different times. Mary Allen Roanoke, VA

Really, So all this great information that I have researched and researched is useless to others unless it is requested. My goodness, what is this world comming to when a person spends hours and hours of their time and can't share it. Wow. Well, if any one needs the info, what do I do? There is soo much and it is soooo helpful. My heavens. I have, I would say, almost every name in the county. I have pulled so much information from the films I have looked through. I through my family records, I have a ton. What is a person to do? Help ? Here I was thinking I could be a huge help to some one and now it is dashed to junk. How came I help share all this good information. Boy, this e-mail sounds like a mess. Some one tell me what I can and can not do to help. Thanks Bryn >>> <ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com> 5/13/98 5:18:16 PM >>> Dear Brian and all, I appreciate your enthusiasm! But I must let you know that posting information taken directly from the census, marriage records, cemetery records, etc... is not allowed. This information is sold by the genealogy society and is their only real way of making money. They have the rights to this. At the "Lookups and Researchers" page of my Ogle County site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/lookups.htm I have people who do free look ups, but they only answer questions, they do not give out printed information. If someone wants printed information, they must contact the Ogle County Genealogy Society and request it, and of course pay the fee. The society can also be reached from my Ogle County site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/societies.htm If anyone has information and would like to do look ups, you must first go to the "Lookups and Researchers" site, read and agree to the rules set by ILGenWeb, join the Ogle County Genealogy Society (their fee is $5.00 per year), and then let me know and I will add you to the list. These are the rules set by the Ogle County Genealogy Society. And we must respect them. Thank you for your understanding! Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle Brian Hulleberg wrote: > > I have been gathering lots if information about the people in Ogle Co. history. For example, Census records, marriage records. i would like to start posting it to this list. Is has a ton of valuable information for people. > > Would it be okay to start doing that? Or would it be too much? > > Let me know. > > Bryn

Hello again, Ok, I got the official word from Susan. Copyrighted items must be 75 years or older. Sometimes 60 or 65 years old can slide by, but after that it gets touchy. If they are recently published sources, there may be small amounts such as what you would use in a school book report. This would fall under the fair use section of the laws and is allowed. I hope everyone understands and excepts these guidelines. Because we wouldn't want to put Rootsweb (the USGenWeb host) in the position of being held liable for something they didn't do. Now, lets get back to genealogy, have a nice evening! Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle

Roger How about my HARBAUGH familiy? (also KRETZINGER, SPESSARD, STOVER, HASTINGS) Doneva

Dear Gail and all, This is the policy of USGenWeb. However, the Ogle County Genealogical Society does have a voice if it is their books that are being copied to the list. Since this has created such a panic, I have put the quetion to Susan, the head of IlGenWeb. It will be her call. I will let you know what she says when I get a response. Sorry to cause so much frustration, but we will get this resolved. Again I encourage you to read the UsGenWeb Policy at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/lookups.htm Thank you, Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle Gail Kilgore wrote: > > My feeling is the same as yours. The genealogy society in > Ogle Co. should have nothing to do with a mailing list. They > are connected as a link from the mail list to info and sources > that are available in the county. The list is a place to > discuss and exchange information. > > Always, Searching > > Gail Meyer-Kilgore > Casa Grande,AZ > Searching: Kilgore, Alexander, Boone, Lassley > Searching: Meyer, Kruger, Groen, Nottelmann, DeVries, Remmers, > Reints, Hayenga, Frerichs > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > List Host of IAMILLS-L@rootsweb.com > Visit the Mills Co. IA Web Page at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamills/ > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > *~* > List Host of NEBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com > Visit the Butler Co., NE Web page at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebutler/index.html

Hi Roger, I would love to know about any Poffenberger, Malone that might be listed. And I'm trying to get that Malone file sent to you. Do you have Family Tree Maker? Jeannie ---RogerCubs wrote: > > I have the 100th Anniversary Book for Leaf River 1882-1982 and would be glad > to do look-ups for anyone interested. > > Roger Cramer > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

This is for Kathy, Ogle Co. GenWeb Host, What if one has done their own reading of the cemetery, gone to the courts houses and read the marriages, and read the census records; doesn't that give one the right to post info from those findings on these mail list? Just wondering!!! mr

Roger, On my DeVries I have a lot of them but have never been able to get any of them to respond to my snail mail. I realize that they are all up in years but I have a lot of the older DeVries that were here in the mid 1800's and I can't find a home for them. Also, does anyone on the list know how I can get ahold of Rev. DeWalt's son or do you know where I can purchase the book that was published on the Rev. diaries? I had heard that his son was teaching at the ASU but I need this confirmed...Thanks..... Always, Searching Gail Meyer-Kilgore Casa Grande,AZ Searching: Kilgore, Alexander, Boone, Lassley Searching: Meyer, Kruger, Groen, Nottelmann, DeVries, Remmers, Reints, Hayenga, Frerichs ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* List Host of IAMILLS-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Mills Co. IA Web Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamills/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~* List Host of NEBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Butler Co., NE Web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebutler/index.html

Oops, meant to send this to Roger, personally . . . Doneva -----Original Message----- From: Doneva Shepard <doneva@wcn.net> To: ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com <ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ILOGLE-L] Ogle county info >Roger, >Was excited to learn he sits on my family tree! He married on of the >daughters of the man I am going into DAR on. It was a wild guess on my part >but paid off. >That is also Dolly Parton's ancestor . . . y'see, I claim any fame I can. >I've got to figure out how that Oregon Trail leader is related to you, now. >Doneva > >-----Original Message----- >From: RogerCubs <RogerCubs@aol.com> >To: ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com <ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:15 PM >Subject: Re: [ILOGLE-L] Ogle county info > > >>In a message dated 98-05-13 15:28:03 EDT, you write: >> >><< Can I ask how OGLE county, IL got it's name? >> Anybody know? >> >> >>Hi, >> >>I don't have the details in front of me, but an early settler here was >named >>Ogle. >> >>Roger

Roger, Was excited to learn he sits on my family tree! He married on of the daughters of the man I am going into DAR on. It was a wild guess on my part but paid off. That is also Dolly Parton's ancestor . . . y'see, I claim any fame I can. I've got to figure out how that Oregon Trail leader is related to you, now. Doneva -----Original Message----- From: RogerCubs <RogerCubs@aol.com> To: ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com <ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [ILOGLE-L] Ogle county info >In a message dated 98-05-13 15:28:03 EDT, you write: > ><< Can I ask how OGLE county, IL got it's name? > Anybody know? >> > >Hi, > >I don't have the details in front of me, but an early settler here was named >Ogle. > >Roger

Rog, Are their any DeVries in that book? Would appreciate a lookup, thanks. Always, Searching Gail Meyer-Kilgore Casa Grande,AZ Searching: Kilgore, Alexander, Boone, Lassley Searching: Meyer, Kruger, Groen, Nottelmann, DeVries, Remmers, Reints, Hayenga, Frerichs ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* List Host of IAMILLS-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Mills Co. IA Web Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamills/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~* List Host of NEBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Butler Co., NE Web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebutler/index.html

Dear Mary, Yes, this is what I am saying. If you post to the list, make sure to follow the copyright laws. Thanks, Kathy Jallen43 wrote: > > O. K. I think I understand. We can share information we dug up ourselves but > not that which we got from published books, etc. Correct? > > I also think that we can share records privately by email but cannot publish > to the entire list. I think I remember this from one of my other mailing > lists. I do know that alot of people copy one page from census because their > own family was on it and then share the other names on a mailing list. I > assume that is O.K. > Mary > >

My feeling is the same as yours. The genealogy society in Ogle Co. should have nothing to do with a mailing list. They are connected as a link from the mail list to info and sources that are available in the county. The list is a place to discuss and exchange information. Always, Searching Gail Meyer-Kilgore Casa Grande,AZ Searching: Kilgore, Alexander, Boone, Lassley Searching: Meyer, Kruger, Groen, Nottelmann, DeVries, Remmers, Reints, Hayenga, Frerichs ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* List Host of IAMILLS-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Mills Co. IA Web Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamills/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~* List Host of NEBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Butler Co., NE Web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebutler/index.html

Dear Mary, MR, and all, Let me clarify this. The main concern is that we do not violate any copyright laws. Maybe if you read the rules set by USGenWeb that the lookups must follow, it will help you to understand. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/lookups.htm Work you do yourself is fine. But if someone has books,(such as census, etc...), that have been purchased from the society or anywhere, USGenWeb states it will not tolerate copyright violations. And the society has made it clear to me that they want this rule upheld. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding and answers any questions. Thank you, Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host http://wwwrootsweb.com/~ilogle Jallen43 wrote: > > In a message dated 98-05-13 19:25:11 EDT, you write: > > << o: ILOGLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Brian and all, > I appreciate your enthusiasm! But I must let you know that > posting information taken directly from the census, marriage > records, cemetery records, etc... is not allowed. This information > is sold by the genealogy society and is their only real way > of making money. They have the rights to this. > At the "Lookups and Researchers" page of my Ogle County site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/lookups.htm > I have people who do free look ups, but they only answer questions, > they do not give out printed information. If someone wants printed > information, they must contact the Ogle County Genealogy Society > and request it, and of course pay the fee. The society can also be > reached from my Ogle County site. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/societies.htm > If anyone has information and would like to do look ups, you must first > go to the "Lookups and Researchers" site, read and agree to the rules > set by ILGenWeb, join the Ogle County Genealogy Society (their fee is > $5.00 per year), and then let me know and I will add you to the list. > These are the rules set by the Ogle County Genealogy Society. And we > must respect them. > Thank you for your understanding! > Kathy - Ogle County GenWeb Host > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle > > I'm new to this list but a little confused. On every other list I'm on, > people offer to share census records, marriage records, death records, info > from books,etc. If I do the hard work of copying census records here in > Virginia on Ogle County, why can't I share them with others on the list? This > is how it is done on every other list I've ever participated on. > > I understand your need to make money, but why would someone be prohibited from > sharing the work that they did with others? I'm not "flaming" just trying to > understand because I've never heard of this and I've been on as many as 10 > different lists at different times. > Mary Allen > Roanoke, VA

Hi, We just went through this on another list and any records over 70 years old are records for public information. This means anything that is available out there to the public can be used. Information in published books can also be used but not the full context of the book. We had this checked out with an attorney. Every book that I have or anyone else has and does look-ups can share their information that is in the book. All this is doing is sharing what one has and nine times out of ten we all list our sources and page #'s where the source was found. Every list that I have been on if someone has vital records in book form they give the information out, the name of the book, the author, and the page number. You are not putting the whole book on the list but excerpts of the book that anyone can get if the go to the library and get it on library loan. I have even had information sent to me, copies of pages in a copyrighted book, that pertain to my family that the information came to me over a list. This is what genealogy is all about, sharing the information that you have found with others who are still searching. Bryn, I think that if you posted the information that you have access too and someone wants you to do a lookup in those books or CD's that would be safer than listing ALL the records and you an post them to the list so that everyone can see the reply as this list is set up to reply to the list rather than replying to the author. The reason for that is to try and bring everyone into the discussion and keep the list more interesting rather than replying to the specific person. Always, Searching Gail Meyer-Kilgore Casa Grande,AZ Searching: Kilgore, Alexander, Boone, Lassley Searching: Meyer, Kruger, Groen, Nottelmann, DeVries, Remmers, Reints, Hayenga, Frerichs ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* List Host of IAMILLS-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Mills Co. IA Web Page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~iamills/ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~* List Host of NEBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Butler Co., NE Web page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebutler/index.html

You will notice at this site (incomplete on the Ogle surname, but full of their history) that Dolly Parton is a descendant of this same family. This is a fun site to visit . . . Lots of Ogle (and others) history. Capt. Joseph Ogle is not mentioned but he is a brother to my Major Thomas, who is mentioned. Enjoy . . . http://www.smokykin.com/ Doneva

Dear Doneva, Sorry I gave the wrong address before for the Ogle County History, which tells about the name. It is: http://www.ag.uiuc.edu/~offices/ogle/media.htm Kathy