NEW Online - Morgan Area Gen. Assoc. Page (MAGA): http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmaga/index.html Morgan County: 1) We have access now to photocopies of the actual books of the Index to Probate Estates for Morgan County. Originally we started posting an Index from Florence Hutchison's card index, but after obtaining these copies, we find that what we originally posted is not complete. Shirley is adding to those surnames already online with this new information. To date we have Surnames "A, B & C". More are to come as time permits. 2) All Morgan County Histories, except 1906, have been updated with new biographies. Greene County: Biographies from the 1879 Greene Co. History. Surnames of CAMERON; HOBSON; HOLBERT; STINNETT; STOUT; STRANG; and TAFFNER have been added. Menard County: Sugar Point Cemetery aka Claypool Cemetery Inscripts Dunschen (Schaddel) Cemetery Farmers Point Cemetery Smedley Cemetery Central Illinois OBIT file: A new obit has been added for Phillip STRINGHAM. Happy Searching, Mary Ann -------------------------------------------------------- Mary Ann Kaylor & Shirley Aleguas In IL - Morgan Area Genealogical Association & Waverly GHS http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmaga/index.html Dedicated to Free Online Resources for Central IL MAGA Mailing List: [email protected] My Family Genealogy http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~makaylor/index.html

Cathie, What a treasure you have in the book by your grandfather! And how kind of you to share it. I know I enjoyed reading what you sent on the email. I wish I had a book written by any of my ancestors! Thanks so much for sharing. :-) Sally

Don, I saw your post and for some reason Shelburn sounded familiar -- although I don't have anyone on the family tree with that name. Then I realized that your ancestors and mine were neighbors! My grandfather, Art Brown, and Bill Shelburn were friends. Art lived at 996 E. College Ave; he was born 29 Dec 1899 so is the same age as Bill. My grandfather wrote a "book" about his youth in Jacksonville -- a book that was only intended to be given to his children and grandchildren. There are some treasures in it, though, about life in Jacksonville, circa 1900-1920. He wrote about the Shelburns a few times in it: This is from a chapter called "The Games We Played." "I was most fortunate in having four childhood friends who contributed greatly to my happiness. They all lived within a quarter of a mile of our house, and we were together every day the year around. We attended the same grade school, the same church, and went through high school together. "The Arters (Russ and Al) lived at 947 East College Avenue. . . . "Bill Shelburn lived next door to the Arters. His father was a house painter. His grandfather lived with them and was a Civil War veteran (he never called it the Civil War, but always referred to it as "The Rebellion"). He had been a prisoner at Andersonville and told us many stories of the suffering and privation in this ignominious prison camp and also told us many stories of army life and the battles in which he had participated. He was old; however, his mind was active and he was most interesting." (The rest of the chapter describes some of the games they played, including "Run, Sheep, Run" and a game with two teams who had to protect 10 Pet Milk cans each). This is from the chapter called "Christmas." "From the time I was seven or eight years old, until I was eighteen, the two Arter boys, Fred Lynn, Bill Shelburn, and I spent every Sunday at the Centenary Methodist Church -- Sunday School in the morning; church services in the evening; and prayer meeting on Wednesday evening. So we were interested in and involved in all the activities of the church. . . ." There may be more in the book about the Shelburns, but this is all I found looking through the book very quickly this morning. I'll look through it some more. I'd be glad to send you copies of the pages that include your ancestors if you'd like. Sorry so long-winded. When I read my grandpa's book it's hard to leave anything out because he described things in such great detail. I'd love to share more with you if I find it. Cathie ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Matson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:50 AM Subject: [ILMORGAN] Shelburn family, 1900 Jacksonville > Posted on: Morgan Co. IL Query Page > Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Morgan?read=176 > > Surname: Shelburn, Ashby, Hukil > ------------------------- > > Looking for descendants of Augustus Shelburn family on 1900 census in Jacksonville... > 953 E. College Ave. > Augustus Shelburn b. 5/ /1848 age 62 b. Ky. > Eliza " b. 2/ /1842 age 58 b. Il. > Frederick " b. 8/ /1879 age 20 b. Il. > Samuel Ashby b. 9/ /1889 age 10 b. Il. nephew > > 1016 E. College Ave. > Joshua Shelburn b. 6/ /1872 age ? b. Il. > Rosa W. " b. 3/ /1876 age 24 b. Mo. > William A. " b. 5/ /1900 age 1/12 b. Il. > Mary A. Hukil b. 4/ /1884 age 51 b. Mo. m. in law > Stonewall J. Hukil b. 3/ /1891 age 8 b. Mo. b. in law > I'm only interested in getting info. on the Shelburn blood line descendants > only. Thank you. > [email protected] > Stonewall J. Hukil b. > > > ==== ILMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Morgan County ILGenWeb Page and see what's new. Recent additions > - over 200 plus OBITS linked to Cemetery Inscriptions. Find them at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmorgan/obit-dex.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmorgan/morgan.htm > >

James, there is a lot of information out there about researching in the UK. I had the best luck by joining one of the county lists on GENUKI for the areas that I knew my ancestors were from. They were very willing to help out with look-ups and getting copies made, etc. One nice man even found me a B&B to stay in while over there researching last year and also took me to dinner! Anyway, the best thing to do is to go to this site: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/ You can follow the links to various places and just have a great old time with it. If you don't know exactly which town your family came from in Yorkshire it will be a little more difficult narrowing down the divisions in that county to decide which list to join. So far as I know I don't know if there is another county in England that has been divided up into"Ridings" the way Yorkshire has! It is confusing. Anyway, hope this helps you. I haven't done any Scottish research, though have travelled there a lot. The sad part is that they don't have any on-line censuses that I know about in England so you pretty much need to post your family information on one of the county lists and see what happens, sort of like in Morgan Co. Good luck, and if you run into any Valantines back there let me know! Carol Valantine Dugger

[email protected] writes: >[email protected] Carol, I noticed your comment on the genealogy web site for Morgan Co., IL, that you had done lots of genealogy research on County Yorkshire, England. Most of my known Morgan and Scott Co., IL, maternal ancestors seem to have come from there at one time or another, but the ones in which I have the most interest have the Cuddy surname. Specifically, I am looking for information on the parentage and siblings of my great-great-grandfather and grandmother, Martin Thomas Cuddy and Ann Mad(d)rah Cuddy of Yorkshire. Apparently they came to Morgan Co., IL, about 1845 or so. Can you give me any help in locating web sites to look into their parentage and/or siblings? I believe she came directly from Yorkshire, but family lore has it that he was born somewhere in Scotland about 1813 or 1817 and likely moved to Yorskhire as a young man to gain employment, probably as a surveyor. You might respond to my home email account below. James Cuddy Gordon home email: "[email protected]"

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Lynne & Carol - I am in kind of hot pursuit of the CALDWELLs in that there may be a chance that a BROWN bible or other records may have trickled down from the THOMAS CARLTON BROWN and ELIZABETH WILSON marriage. ANNA LAMBERT married a CALDWELL after the death of her husband CHARLES BROWN. Of their two (blood) sons, CHARLES outlived the older THOMAS, JR. So, the "family-bible-trickle-down" theory holds that either the family of GEORGE EDWARD BROWN or his half-brother, GROVER CALDWELL might still be in possession of the key to my brick wall...I'd sure hate to think that Bible / collection of paper is being dusted twice a year at some flea market in South Dakota! I do know that the BROWN brothers families ended up mostly in Idaho...with one in Ohio. By the way, Carol, the given names you mentioned in your last message all track with my WILSON line surnames (THOMAS, CHARLES, etc.). I also have the surname PROCTOR in my files. Also, it could be that this CATHERERINE BROWN is related to THOMAS CARLTON BROWN...he was one of 10 children. The "warm clue" I am working on as to "where in Yorkshire" is the Township of Skipton, in West Riding, Yorkshire. There were dozens of immigrants from Yorkshire settling in Morgan County about this time...I'm betting they all came from close to the same place (following relatives, following rumors, following land deals, etc.) More later. - Tom

Hi.. As I remember, there were several Caldwell families around Franklin when I was in high school there in the late 40's. I am pretty sure one of them was named Grover. It seems that he had a son, A.B. Caldwell. At least 2 of them were farmers/truckers in the area. I just looked in my 1995 phone book and see that there are about a dozen in Franklin/Jacksonville. Since it has been 50 years since I knew them and they were adults then, most of the ones I knew are probably dead by now. Perhaps Shirley would know if any of the ones now there are into genealogy. If you are so inclined, you could write the existing ones with a SASE. I think the majority of folks in that area would answer. Norm At 12:52 PM 5/15/00 EDT, you wrote: >Lynne & Carol - > >I am in kind of hot pursuit of the CALDWELLs in >that there may be a chance that a BROWN bible or >other records may have trickled down from the >THOMAS CARLTON BROWN and ELIZABETH WILSON marriage. > >ANNA LAMBERT married a CALDWELL after the death of >her husband CHARLES BROWN. Of their two (blood) >sons, CHARLES outlived the older THOMAS, JR. So, >the "family-bible-trickle-down" theory holds that >either the family of GEORGE EDWARD BROWN or his half-brother, GROVER CALDWELL might still be in possession >of the key to my brick wall...I'd sure hate to >think that Bible / collection of paper is being >dusted twice a year at some flea market in South >Dakota! I do know that the BROWN brothers families >ended up mostly in Idaho...with one in Ohio. > >By the way, Carol, the given names you mentioned >in your last message all track with my WILSON line >surnames (THOMAS, CHARLES, etc.). I also have >the surname PROCTOR in my files. Also, it could >be that this CATHERERINE BROWN is related to >THOMAS CARLTON BROWN...he was one of 10 children. >The "warm clue" I am working on as to "where in >Yorkshire" is the Township of Skipton, in West >Riding, Yorkshire. There were dozens of immigrants >from Yorkshire settling in Morgan County about this >time...I'm betting they all came from close to the >same place (following relatives, following rumors, >following land deals, etc.) > >More later. > >- Tom > > >==== ILMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Come search our Morgan County ILGenWeb Pages! We have a >Search Engine to help you find your ancestor! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmorgan/morgan.htm > > >

Tom and Lynne, I believe there was a big recruitment effort in England around the time that William Proctor(again suspect a connection there!) JACKSON came to Morgan Co. Haven't discovered what, where or when yet! Nevertheless, I have done a large amount of research in England, specifically Yorkshire, this past year. Skipton is in North Yorkshire just at the beginning of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. It is about 30 or so miles West of Harrogate, if that helps any. I have been through Skipton but don't remember going there! To get your imagination working,think of "Lorna Doone" "Jane Eyre" and all the Bronte books for a backdrop, and even "All Creatures Great and Small". Hills, dales, lots of sheep, lots of moors covered in heather. There was a lot of mining (lead, coal, etc) both to the far west and east, but it is very beautiful and at one time must have been quite wild. There is a castle at Skipton, I think. If you have names and places in mind I can steer you to some resources there, e-mail me off list. Carol

Tom and Lynne, I believe there was a big recruitment effort in England around the time that William Proctor(again suspect a connection there!) JACKSON came to Morgan Co. Haven't discovered what, where or when yet! Nevertheless, I have done a large amount of research in England, specifically Yorkshire, this past year. Skipton is in North Yorkshire just at the beginning of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. It is about 30 or so miles West of Harrogate, if that helps any. I have been through Skipton but don't remember going there! To get your imagination working,think of "Lorna Doone" "Jane Eyre" and all the Bronte books for a backdrop, and even "All Creatures Great and Small". Hills, dales, lots of sheep, lots of moors covered in heather. There was a lot of mining (lead, coal, etc) both to the far west and east, but it is very beautiful and at one time must have been quite wild. There is a castle at Skipton, I think. If you have names and places in mind I can steer you to some resources there, e-mail me off list. Carol

Posted on: Morgan Co. IL Query Page Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Morgan?read=176 Surname: Shelburn, Ashby, Hukil ------------------------- Looking for descendants of Augustus Shelburn family on 1900 census in Jacksonville... 953 E. College Ave. Augustus Shelburn b. 5/ /1848 age 62 b. Ky. Eliza " b. 2/ /1842 age 58 b. Il. Frederick " b. 8/ /1879 age 20 b. Il. Samuel Ashby b. 9/ /1889 age 10 b. Il. nephew 1016 E. College Ave. Joshua Shelburn b. 6/ /1872 age ? b. Il. Rosa W. " b. 3/ /1876 age 24 b. Mo. William A. " b. 5/ /1900 age 1/12 b. Il. Mary A. Hukil b. 4/ /1884 age 51 b. Mo. m. in law Stonewall J. Hukil b. 3/ /1891 age 8 b. Mo. b. in law I'm only interested in getting info. on the Shelburn blood line descendants only. Thank you. [email protected] Stonewall J. Hukil b.

Don't believe any IL Courthouses are open on Saturday. At 08:15 AM 05/15/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Can someone tell me if the Morgan County Court House is open on Saturday. I >need to check some marriage records for parents names. > >Thank You >ken knight > > >==== ILMORGAN Mailing List ==== >Come search our Morgan County ILGenWeb Pages! We have a >Search Engine to help you find your ancestor! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmorgan/morgan.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Mary Ann Kaylor & Shirley Aleguas In IL - Morgan Area Genealogical Association & Waverly GHS http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmaga/index.html Dedicated to Free Online Resources for Central IL MAGA Mailing List: [email protected] My Family Genealogy http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~makaylor/index.html

tom and Lynne, I have been watching your conversation with interest. Tom, you already know I am researching BROWNs-- with little success, I might add :). what made me sit up and especially take notice was the mention you made of a child named Grover. My granddmother Sarah Elizabeth Jackson DUGGER's son was named Grover. Sarah's mother was Martha A. BROWN who married Wm. Proctor JACKSON in 1854 in Morgan Co.. Martha's mother was Catharine BROWN, have no idea what the husband's name was, but some their JACKSON childrens' names were Thomas and George and Charles. Certainly not uncommon names but perhaps it is significant? William came from England. Sadly, I can't help you in your searches though :). Carol Dugger

Can someone tell me if the Morgan County Court House is open on Saturday. I need to check some marriage records for parents names. Thank You ken knight

Thank you Tom!!! My connection is through Leander's line. Leander's father was John Cook Caldwell. John was George and Rhoda Bishop's son. He was born n Butler county KY. George Caldwell was my great xs 4 Grandfather's younger half brother. I have some Caldwell history if yu care to have it. It goes back to Oliver Caldwell coming to US in 1754 forward. George and his family moved to Morgan county in ealry 1820's. John CooK Caldwell remained in Morgan county. He was a tanner at one time. Oliver was a tanner by trade also. George's brothers in Logan county KY had a tannery, saddle shop and gun powder works. Thanks again Lynne Ditmore Genealogy: Collecting Dead Relatives! And Sometimes A Live Cousin !!

Mrs Jacob Henry Strawn was Emma Corrington. She married Jacob in 1872 and then married Leander Caldwell in 1898. Thanks for the additional information. Lynne Ditmore Genealogy: Collecting Dead Relatives! And Sometimes A Live Cousin !!

Lynne - Quick correction. I had posted "L. ANDREW CALDWELL"...it should read (as in the obituary) "J. ANDREW CALDWELL"...meaning, per your message, his first name was JOHN and his middle name was ANDREW. Sorry for the "ready-fire-aim" mistake...it is late! - Tom

Looking for info on this couple and their son, William William was born 1841 in Morgan County, Illinois. William married Angelina Bowyer 12-28-1859 in Cass County, Illinois. Kathleen HAYES LaRose Love is patient, love is kind....bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. 1 Corinthians 13:4,7 NASB

Posted on: Morgan Co. IL Query Page Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Morgan?read=175 Surname: Caldwell, Lambert, Strawn, Kunsch ------------------------- Lynne - Perhaps not an answer to your query...but another clue. ANNA LAMBERT has 2 sisters: MARY, who married a KUNSCH and lived in Portland, Oregon at the time of ANNA's death and another whose given name is not mentioned in ANNA's obituary but is referred to as MRS. JACOB STRAWN of Strawn's Crossing. I would assume from the obit that Strawn's Crossing is in Morgan County, Illinois. From the obituary, I cannot tell if LEANDER ACRES CALDWELL and L. ANDREW CALDWELL are related...but I would bet they are.

Posted on: Morgan Co. IL Query Page Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Morgan?read=174 Surname: BROWN, LAMBERT, WILSON, CALDWELL ------------------------- Lynne - I have a copy of ANNE LAMBERT BROWN CALDWELL's obituary. She and L. ANDREW CALDWELL had one son between them...and only one son...named GROVER C. From ANNE's first marriage with CHARLES W. BROWN, there were four children: 2 daughters who died in infancy and two sons named THOMAS CARLTON BROWN, JR. and GEORGE E. BROWN. These two sons were raised by L. ANDREW by his marriage with ANNA. CHARLES died in 1881...ANNA married L.A. a few years later. CHARLES' mother is ELIZABETH (WILSON) BROWN who is a sister of my gg grandfather. ELIZABETH married THOMAS CARLTON BROWN, Sr in Yorkshire, England in 1841. ANNA's parents are RICHARD and REBECCA (?) LAMBERT of England. If you would like a copy of the obituary, please let me know. The BROWNs, LAMBERTs and CALDWELLs mentioned here are all buried in Franklin Twp, Morgan County, Illinois.