I finally found the parents of Philipp Wagner, blacksmith of Waterloo. The needed clues were in the St. Paul's Confirmations (book C, film 1433230). No one entry is proof. But taking about 5 of them together and assuming that there is only one (Johann) Adam Wagner living in Waterloo in 1847, a family emerges. Married to Margaretha Meier [61], 18 Feb 1823 at Grosskarlbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Friedrich Wagner born ca. 1832 at , St. Clair, IL Philipp Wagner [30] born 4 May 1835 Barbara Wagner born 2 Apr 1837 Purchased land 13 Apr 1837 at , St. Clair, IL Catharina Wagner born ca. 3 May 1837 Georgine Elisabeth Wagner born 6 Jul 1845 Margarethe Wagner born 28 Jun 1849 Margaretha Meier [61] died 14 Sep 1872 at Waterloo, Monroe, IL Died 16 Sep 1874 at Waterloo, Monroe, IL Cited in Photocopy: death Georgine's confirmation included her mother's name, Marg. Meier. Next the Sterbe Register shows the death of both John Adam Wagner and "frau Margaretha Wagner, g. Meier", including the town name, Grosskarlbach, Rhein-Phalz Bayern. A quick check of the IGI shows that a Johann Adam Wagner married Margaretha Meier, 18 Feb 1823 at Grosskarlbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. Quick! Order that microfilm! The IGI also shows a Margaretha Mayer born in Grosskarlbach, but no John Adam Wagner. The IGI does show a John Adam Wagner born in Kottlebach Rhein-Phalz. Hmm. Did he move to Grosskarlbach when he married Margarethe? When does that microfilm arrive? Now I still have questions about the Wagners in Monroe County. There is a George Wagner that appears in the same records. Is he a brother? Is there an obit for John Adam Wagner? Was he naturalized? (They orginally seem to have settled in Millstadt/Centerville before 1832. John Adam purchased some land near Waterloo in 1837.) Hey, I'm excited! In the process I've transcribed just about every WAGNER record I've come across. Related families appear on my website. I would be happy to share the fruits of my labor. John Crossley --- John Crossley Sacramento, California, USA [email protected] http://www.jps.net/crossley Ask me about my Joke-a-Day email list!