I found this interesting. Any direct male descendants out there who are interested? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James V. Elliott" <jvance@tiac.net> To: "Janet Flynn" <jflynn11@htc.net> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [OGLE] Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Ogle Participants > Janet, > > Our project is based on Y chromosome DNA markers, which are passed from > father to son. > > (There are people who are doing studies based on mitochrondrial markers, > which are passed from mother to child - but those studies naturally are not > conducive to surname studies. If ours were a matrilineal culture, instead > of a patrilineal one, we'd be using those markers instead to track > surnames.) > > Sincerely, > > James V. Elliott > Group Administrator > Elliott (And Border Reivers) DNA Project > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Flynn" <jflynn11@htc.net> > To: <jvance@tiac.net> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [OGLE] Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Ogle Participants > > > > Why males only? (I am a female direct descendant of Capt. Joseph Ogle.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jvance@tiac.net> > > To: <OGLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:04 PM > > Subject: [OGLE] Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Ogle Participants > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > > Surnames: OGLE > > > Classification: Query > > > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Ck3.2ACEB/555 > > > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > If you are an adult male paternally descended from the Anglo-Scottish > > Border family Ogle, and have ever considered getting your Y chromosome > > tested, you may do so at a substantial discount by joining the Border > Reiver > > DNA Project at Family Tree DNA. > > > > > > The Border Reiver DNA Project is a serious genetic and genealogical > study > > started this March by two customers of Family Tree DNA, James V. Elliott > and > > David B. Strong. Although it began as a study of the Elliott Border Reiver > > family, it has since expanded to include members of other Border Reiver > > families, including a direct descendant of the legendary Border Reiver, > > Johnnie Armstrong, a senior officer of the Clan Hall Society, Dixons, > > Irvings, Kerrs, Littles, Taylors, Carruthers, Davisons, Ogles, Hunters and > > others. Members of all Border Reiver families are welcome now, and we > > emphatically encourage your participation. > > > > > > The home page for our study, which includes many links to other web > pages > > about the Scots, the Britons, the Border Reivers and their ancestors, may > be > > accessed at the URL below: > > > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/elliott_border_reivers_ > > dna.htm > > > > > > We are conducting our study of the Border Reiver families using Y > > chromosome DNA markers, because the Y chromosome is passed, just like a > > surname, from father to son with very few changes over many generations. > > That makes these DNA markers an ideal tool for tracing paternal descent > and, > > by extension, the history of families. > > > > > > The goals of the Border Reiver DNA Project are as follows: > > > > > > 1) James Leyburn, in his excellent book "The Scotch-Irish: A Social > > History", characterized the ancestry of the Anglo-Scottish Border people > as > > a diverse mixture of Picts, Brythonic Celts, Scotti, Irish Gaels, both > > Danish and Norwegian Vikings, Angles and Saxons, troops and settlers from > > all over the Roman Empire - as well as Normans, Flemish and many others. > We > > intend to use Y chromosome analysis to explore the ancestral origin of > > Border Reiver descendants, both individually (if we can) and as a group. > We > > have already done substantial reading about both the history of Europe and > > the latest developments in population genetics, and have compiled a > database > > of more than 350 likely Border Reiver descendants obtained from public > > databases at Family Tree DNA and elsewhere. > > > > > > The URL below will give you some idea of the extent of our ongoing > study: > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_haplogroup.htm > > > > > > 2) The Border Reivers rode during a period of extreme chaos in the > history > > of the Anglo-Scottish Border. Many young mothers were widowed, and many > > children were orphaned. The social customs of the Reivers, affected by a > > need for self-reliance and the shifting circumstances of the era, favored > > trial marriages, and allowed even married women to keep their surnames. > The > > larger Border Reiver clans themselves were like tribes or military units > as > > much as families, and many born with different surnames joined these clans > > for protection, eventually assuming the clan surname as their own. As a > > consequence of all these factors, Border Reiver descendants are to this > day > > closely interrelated. Many with different surnames share the same > ancestors, > > and many with the same surname are descended from genetically distinct > > paternal lines. Our DNA Project seeks to determine the relationships among > > these descendants, both on an individual and a family level. > > > > > > The URL below will give you some idea of the families already included > in > > our study: > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm > > > > > > The group rate for joining the Border Reiver DNA Project is 99 USD for a > > 12 marker Y chromosome test, or 169 USD for a 25 marker test. The 12 > marker > > test easily suffices to determine your "deep ancestry", and can provide > > enough data to suggest a shared paternal ancestry within the last 14 or 15 > > generations. The 25 marker test, more favored by DNA genealogists, can > > identify a shared paternal ancestry within the last 7 generations. > > > > > > These group rates represent a substantial savings over the cost of > joining > > Family Tree alone. For instance, the cost of getting the 12 marker test is > > nearly 40 percent less than what I paid for the same test last summer. > Once > > you join our group, you will have full privileges as a Family Tree DNA > > customer. Family Tree DNA will store your genetic material with absolute > > privacy and security for twenty years, and will publish information about > > your Y chromosome markers, their likely ethnic origin, and the e-mail > > addresses of exact matches, on your own personal, password-protected web > > page. In addition, all other DNA tests you wish to order will be available > > to you at a considerable discount. > > > > > > Despite the foregoing discussion of cost, this is a serious study, not a > > commercial venture. If you are interested in joining us, or would simply > > like more info, please contact James V. Elliott at jvance@tiac.net. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > James V. Elliott > > > Group Administrator > > > Elliott (And Border Reivers) DNA Project > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >