Dear Karlyn, You don't say when your family lived so here are some possibilities: Koehler: Helen Koehler Southwick, confirmed 1929, living in E. St. Louis, IL Walter Koehler confirmed 1932, living in Bloomington, IL Schaefer: Margaretha Schaefer married to Leonhard Bernhard Eckert twin daughters: Elisabeth Eckert and Margaretha Eckert both born 24 May 1856, both confirmed 1870 Lydia Margaretha Schaefer born 26 Mar 1896, confirmed 1910 parents: Theodor Louis Schaefer and Maria Harres unmarried and living with mother in E. St. Louis in 1938 Johann Georg (John) Schaefer b.11 Nov 1867, confirmed 1882 parents: Wilhelm Gotthold Schaefer and Clara Elisabeth Eckert Peggy >Hi Peggy - Thank you so much for your offer. I am at a dead-end with >the Schaefer and Koehler surnames. Specifically looking for a Jake >Schaefer, Margaret Schaefer and possibly a Henry Kooehler. Thank you >for any assistance. Karlyn Armstrong [email protected]

Marianne - There isn't any record for a Marie or Mary Mueller, but there is: Louisa Mueller Heise confirmed 1893, living in City of Columbia original record: Louisa K. Müller, born 24 Feb 1880, no parents listed If you have more information, I could look further in my records. It seems that Mitweider could easily be an alternate of Mittwede (spelling was variable, depending on who was writing down the information). Pauline Mitweide confirmed 1863, no address I hope this is helpful. Peggy >I am interested in Marie Louise MUELLER. Also, I noticed a MITWEIDE and am >wondering if it could be a variant spelling of my MITTWEDE. > >Marianne

Hi Gerry, All addresses given are for 1938. Becker: Alma Becker confirmed 1921, living at R.R. Columbia, IL Amanda Becker Mosbacher confirmed 1906, living in City of Columbia Charlotta Becker confirmed 1863, no address Elmer Becker confirmed 1920, living in E. St. Louis, IL Esther Becker confirmed 1925, living in City of Columbia Eugene Becker confirmed 1915, no address Frieda Becker Stemler confirmed 1912, living in City of Columbia Henry Becker confirmed 1896, living at 5516 Cates, St. Louis, MO Marie Becker confirmed 1863, no address Mathilda Becker Mueller confirmed 1908, living in City of Columbia Walter Becker confirmed 1917, living in Los Angeles, CA Schumacher: Clarence Schumacher confirmed 1923, living in City of Columbia Florence Schumacher confirmed 1926, living in City of Columbia Lester Schumacher confirmed 1921, living in City of Columbia Zinser: Catherine Zinser confirmed 1858, no address Margaret Zinser confirmed 1856, no address If you are interested in any of these people, it is worth requesting the microfilm from your FHC - the original confirmation records give full names, birth dates, and in some cases the parents. Peggy >Hi, > >Thanks for the note on the IlMONROE list about St. Pauls. If possible, >please send the information about > >Becker >Schumacher >Zinser > >Thanks a lot. > >Gerry Meier >Ballwin, MO

Dear Carolyn, St. Paul's only began in 1855. You might try looking in the records of Zion Evangelical (now UCC) of Millstadt, St. Clair County. Those records contain the marriage of my ggggrandparents who were married in 1853. Those records note that the marriage occured in Monroe County, so perhaps Zion was the "church of record". You might also need to find the records of other German churches in Monroe County - the earliest Ries (not Reis) at St. Paul's Columbia was: Thomas Ries confirmed in 1912, living in St. Louis,MO in 1938 Charles Ries confirmed in 1914, living in the city of Columbia in 1938 Edwin Ries confirmed in 1918, living in the city of Columbia in 1938 Sorry I can't be of more help. Peggy >Peggy, > >Do you have any church records that are before 1855? > >George Reis/Rice was suppose to have been born in Monroe County in 1844. >I can't locate that family on a census. I have not been able to learn the >name of his father. He was suppose to have a sister named Elizabeth that >was born around 1835. Elizabeth married an Abijah Hines and moved to >Posey County, Ind. > >Thanks, >Carolyn Sue Smith >[email protected] >

Peggy: Thank you for your kind offer. Would you happen to have any Klotzer's in your database? Probably from Hecker or Waterloo, but not necessarily. Judy St. Eve Schor Kirkland, WA [email protected]

Hello all, I apologize for the length of this post; I hope it's as useful to you all out their as the information I've received from this and other lists. I have a copy of the Confirmands Directory of St. Paul's Evangelical Church (later St. Paul's UCC) of Columbia, Monroe County, Illinois. It lists all the confirmands between 1855 and 1938 (about 2000 names). All the surnames are listed below. I have additional information from St. Paul's original records for some names. If you are interested in a common surname, please be sure to give me a first name and approximate date as well. I have made duplicate a post to the St. Clair County list because many of the confirmands were either born or later lived in St. Clair County. I have also posted this to the Hessen list, because many of the original church members emigrated from the Hesse-Darmstadt and Rheinhessen regions of Germany. Peggy Kolm [email protected] (I am particularly interested in the Dahmer, Eckert, Kraus, Lepp, Stumpf, and Wenkel families) Most common places of residence in 1938: Monroe County, Illinois: Columbia, Waterloo, Valmeyer St. Clair County, Illinois: Belleville, Dupo, East Carondelet, East St. Louis, Millstadt St. Louis, Missouri and some in Chicago, Los Angeles, and elswhere. -------------- Surnames (most common names are in ALL CAPS) A: Adam, Acker, Ahrens, Alter, Anderlina, Appel, Arnin, Arras/Arres B: BALTZ, Bauer, Baumann, Baumer, Beck, Becker, Beckman/Beckmann, Beierlein, Belloir, Berghoefer, BERGMANN, Bersche, Bidlingmeyer, Bisking, Bissel, Blittersdorf, Bockel, Boemer, Bohemeier, Bohlman, Bollinger, Bolm, Borkel, Bomermann, Brandt, Breidecker, Breuer, Briegel, Briesacher, Brucker, Buehrig, Burkhardt C: CARLE, Conrad, Crawley, Culli D: DAAB, DAHMER, Dalkert, Dankenbrink, Dehn, Deobald, Delmore, DIEHL, Dieterle, Divers, Doerr, Doettling, Dotzauer, Dreher, Dreyer, Dunfield, Durrer, Dyroff E: Ebel, Eck, ECKERT, Ehlers, Ensminger, ESCHMANN, Etzel F: Fellenstein, FERKEL, Fiddler, Fiege, Fiffhorn, Fischer, Frank, Freimuth, Frey G: Gaertner, Gasser, Gausner, Getschmann, GIFFHORN, GLAENZER, Gleiber, Glimore, Gockscha, Goetschmann, Goldschmidt, Graef/Grafe/Graf, Gramlich, Grasshaw, Gray, GROB, GROSSE, Guarder, GUMMERSHEIMER, Gundlach, Gutherz H: Haberlah, Habermehl, Haller, Haltenhof, HARRES, Hauser, Heiligstadt, Heise, Henckler, Henfling, Henze, Herbst, Herman/Hermann, Herold, Hill, Hoefling, HOEPFINGER, HOFFMAN/HOFFMANN, Hoffstetter, Hohenstein, Honold, HUCH, Huelinghorst, Huth I: Illgner, Itzenhauser J: Jachens, Jahr, Jehling, Jordi, Joseph, Juelfs, Jung, Justus K: Kaempfe, Kalbfleisch, Kammann, Kannewurf, Karger, Kauber, Keck, Keitel, Keller, Kern, Kettler, Klamp, KLEIN, Klemm, Klinger, Kloeppel, Klohr, Klotz, Kniester, KOCH, Kochmann, Koehler, Kottkamp, Kraetzsch, KRAUS/KRAUSS, Kregher, Kreiser, Kremmel, Kropp, Kruse, KUEHNER, Kuenzle, Kumpf, KUNZ, Kupperschmidt, Kurtz L: Lang/Lange, Landgraf, Langhans, Lark, Lauer, Lazern, Lefholz, Leister, Lepere, Lepp, Lieser, Lindemann, Lindhorst, Litzenberg, Litzenberger, Lotz, Ludwig, M: Mader, Mallrich, McConkey, McKee, McMullan, Mehrtens, Mettelstetter, METTER, Metzer, Meyer, MILLER, Mittelstetter, Mitweide, Mosbacher, MUELLER, Mund, Mundinger, Muskopf N: Naumann, Niclas, Nieman, Niemeyer, Nolbe, Nolde, Nollau, Nolte, Novak, Novy O: Oerter, Offerman, Osick, Otto P: Parlie, Payne, Pepperni, Peter/Peters, Pflasterer, Pfierzig, Picha, Pittmann, Plage, Plickenbaum, Pralle, Probstmeyer, Proffer, Pyles R: Raithel, Rapp, Ratskraft, Rauch, Reger, REHG, REICHENBACH, Reichert, Reinhold, Reiter, Rennick, Rey, Richert, RIEBLING, Ries, Ritter, Rodemich, Roever, Rohm, Rose, Rudoph, Rueber, Rueck, Ruppel S: Samenfink, SANDER, Schaak/Schak, Schaad/Schad, SCHAEFER/Schaeffer/Schaffer, Scharp, Schellenberger, Schellhardt, Schepmann, Scheuerman, Schiemer, Schlegel, Schlemmer, Schlinkman, SCHMIDT, SCHNEIDER, Schnell, Schoening, Schoock, Schorb, Schramm, SCHROEDER, Schroen, Schuchardt, Schuckraft, Schueler, Schumacher, Schwaab, Schwalbert, Schwarztrauber, Schweig, Schweik, Schwelt, Sibila, Siemens, Sondel, Sparwasser, Spiess, Steffenauer, Stein, Stemler, Steppig, Steward, Stock, Stoehr, Stoflman, Stoll, STUMPF T: Taake, THEOBALD, Thiele, Thielemann, Tigges, Trietchen, TUNZE U/V: Umlauf, Voges, VOGT, Volk, Volkert W: Wachshausen, Wagner, Wedel, WEINEL, Weinitz, Weis, Weisenborn, Weltig, WENKEL, Wernig, Weshar, Westerbeck, Wield, Wiesenborn, WILDE, Wink, Winkel, Winter, Wohlwend, Wolf, Wolfmeier, Wuest Y/Z: Young, Zahn, Zinser, Zweig

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 2:06 AM Subject: ILMONROE-D Digest V99 #4

Dear Geneology Friends - This msg is intended mostly for Peggy Kolm, Ed Rogers, Janet Flynn & Pat Vaseska but will post here instead of sending seperate msgs - someone else may be interested too. In searching my wife's GELLNER-KOTTWITZ Monroe Co history, I have found info that may be helpful to all of us - maybe we're long lost cousins! They were a farm family, German, Evangelical & lived in Monroe Co, Moredock Pct, from at least 1870 (first found on census) until at least Mar 1887 when last know child was baptised at Zoar church, New Hanover. None were found on 1900 census. Association of these surnames has to be more than coincidence! Here's what I have so far - would sure love to have some more info: My wife's g.aunt Mariah GELLNER b. abt 1875, Monroe Co, parents Henry GELLNER & Wilhelmine KOTTWITZ, married Louis?? LUDWIG abt 1894-95 (place unk), dau Marie b. 20 Feb 1896 St. Louis, d. 14 Oct 1989, married John LAUX, one son Norman, a pilot killed WWII. Mariah's bro Julius b. 17 Oct 1878, baptised George August GELLNER, Zoar Evang Church, New Hanover, witnessed by George NAUMANN, August & Theresa SPIES. Don't know if they were related, but at least neighbors & good friends. Went by name August - deaf mute - never married - died St. Louis, date unknown. Census 1900 Monroe Co, Moredock Pct, Dwelling #58: LUDWIG, Charles, age 44 b. Oct 1855, Illinois, farmer, parents both born Germany Veretta, wife, age 37 b. Mar 1863, Illinois, parents both born Illinois, married 22 yrs, 7 children, 5 living, all born Illinois William, son, 17 b. Mar 1882, single, farm labor Mary, dau, 15 b. Sep 1884, single Frohny, dau, 13 b. Oct 1886, single, at school George, son, 4 b. Sep 1895 Lillian, dau, 2 b. Jun 1898 Sorry this is so long and confusing, but hope it helps somebody. John in Boone Co, Indiana [email protected]

May as well use the message to advertise. I continue to seek information relating to my great grandfather, Thomas Davis, Columbia resident late 1840's and early 1850's, dying there in 1854, leaving widow, Mary Davis, nee Duvall, and son James Bissell Davis. Also looking for information re Washington and Ann Duvall, same period; and William and Mary Stone, nee Duvall (widow of Davis), married shortly before 1860. Tom Davis

Gerry - My wife's g.aunt Louise BERGER married Joseph GANNON early 1900s St. Louis - only child dau Marjorie. Joseph died 7 Aug 1961, St. Louis. I copied the following info from Illinois census - June 1900, Monroe Co, Moredock Precinct, dwelling #35: GANNON, Jamison, 68, b. Dec 1831, Ireland, farmer, imm - 1854, Nat.Citizen, mother born Ireland Josephine (wife), 58, b. Feb 1842, Louisiana, hswife, mother born Louisiana. They were married 37yrs, had 10 children, 5 living William (son), 30, b. Feb 1870, Illinois, farm labor, single Household also included two male servants, farm labor: CATE, Janiese(sp? blurred), age 50, single, b. Missouri VERNON, William, age 37, single, b. Missouri Hope this helps - Good luck. I' searching Monroe Co for my wife's elusive GELLNER/KOTTWITZ/LUDWIG family - farmers near New Hanover, Moredock Pct. They were German & lived there from at least 1870 thru Mar 1887 John in Boone Co Indiana [email protected]

Pat: MCGS is planning some interesting programs for 1999. Two will be for beginning genealogists, one of which is limited to young teens, the other for adults. Shirley Bull, MCGS member and librarian at Mormon Library, will give a program on German Research. This will probably be at our regular May meeting. Ann Carter Fleming, MCGS member and professional genealogist, will present an all-day program on a Saturday in October. I've asked her to give us suggestions about solving seemingly unsolvable genie projects and to address the program to intermediate genealogists. We are also planning a trip to the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN in April. As you probably know, Allen Co. houses the wonderful and indispensible PERSI holdings. I will send you a copy of the 1st Quarterly for 1999 when I receive your address. This has more details on all of the above, plus other MCGS projects. Welcome to MCGS and I hope to meet you soon. If you have any questions, please let me know. Janet

Have been seeing all the German names. I am researching AGNEW, McCANN, PATTERSON, and McDONALD families. Linda

Hi Gerry, No, you are not all alone on this list but I was wondering the same thing. LOL I am searching for George Seibert (Sibert) b-abt 1800 Germany, m Elizabeth b-1794 Germ. Son Philip Siebert b-1836 PA, m1 Mary Opliger and m2 Catharine Hartmann b-1839 Nassau. Both marriages took place in Monroe Co., IL. My great grandmother was daughter of Philip. Margret,(Margaretha) Seibert was married to Henry Seibert. She was in St. Louis, Mo. prior to 1892 and widowed sometime between Sept. 1899 and May, 1900. If any of this sounds familiar please let me know. Thank you and would love to share what info I have. Pat -----Original Message----- From: meier <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 9:41 AM Subject: [ILMONROE-L] (no subject) >Hi, > >I've been on this list awhile and just wondered if I'm alone! Is anyone >there? > >If so here's my info for you. Any connections? > > >MEIER, HAGENE, GANNON, SHIELDS, WIERSCHEIM, BERTRAM, MATTHEWS, KORANDO > >MEIER: Ernst Meier, b. 1825 Prussia m. to Mary Hagene, b. 1839 Bavaria > >lived in New Design, near Harrisonville, IL. came to US about 1852 >Children: Wm Vincent , Mary, Nicolas, Catherine, Margaret, Peter, >Lizzie, John (adopted) and Mary (adopted) > >HAGENE: Is it possible that this name is the same as AGNEW? Jacob b. >1806 Bavaria and Elisabeth Hagene, b. 1808 Bavaria. Came to US about >1840 Children: >Mary, Martha, Henry, Elisabeth, Nicholas > >SHIELDS: James Shields, b. July 13, 1834, Ireland, Co Wexford m. >Margaret Monaghan,b. 1839 Ireland > >Children: Wm Vincent, Mary, James, Thomas, Ben, Agnes, Patrick, >Margaret. 3 of these married Gannons and 3 married Matthews. > >WIERSCHEIM: Anton Wierscheim b. 1831 Prussia, m. Wilhelmina Good, b. >1841 Alsace >Married and buried at Madonnaville, IL. > >Children: Margaret, Anna M., Mary C., Christina, Elisabeth, Regina, >William, Joseph, Mary Teresa > >GANNON: Martin and Mary Gannon, b. 1820 Ire. Children: Cate, Thomas, >Cecelia, John, Molly, Bridget. Are these related to Michael, James, >Patrick, and Elisabeth Gannon, of St. Clair Co? > >Thanks >Gerry Meier > >

Hi, I've been on this list awhile and just wondered if I'm alone! Is anyone there? If so here's my info for you. Any connections? MEIER, HAGENE, GANNON, SHIELDS, WIERSCHEIM, BERTRAM, MATTHEWS, KORANDO MEIER: Ernst Meier, b. 1825 Prussia m. to Mary Hagene, b. 1839 Bavaria lived in New Design, near Harrisonville, IL. came to US about 1852 Children: Wm Vincent , Mary, Nicolas, Catherine, Margaret, Peter, Lizzie, John (adopted) and Mary (adopted) HAGENE: Is it possible that this name is the same as AGNEW? Jacob b. 1806 Bavaria and Elisabeth Hagene, b. 1808 Bavaria. Came to US about 1840 Children: Mary, Martha, Henry, Elisabeth, Nicholas SHIELDS: James Shields, b. July 13, 1834, Ireland, Co Wexford m. Margaret Monaghan,b. 1839 Ireland Children: Wm Vincent, Mary, James, Thomas, Ben, Agnes, Patrick, Margaret. 3 of these married Gannons and 3 married Matthews. WIERSCHEIM: Anton Wierscheim b. 1831 Prussia, m. Wilhelmina Good, b. 1841 Alsace Married and buried at Madonnaville, IL. Children: Margaret, Anna M., Mary C., Christina, Elisabeth, Regina, William, Joseph, Mary Teresa GANNON: Martin and Mary Gannon, b. 1820 Ire. Children: Cate, Thomas, Cecelia, John, Molly, Bridget. Are these related to Michael, James, Patrick, and Elisabeth Gannon, of St. Clair Co? Thanks Gerry Meier

You're not alone. I just joined the list a couple of weeksa ago. I'm afraid I don't have anything to help you. I was raised in St. Louis and had a close friend, Robert Weirsscheim, whose grandparents lived across the river, in Illinois. Thats about all the info I have. My own family came through Prairie du Rocher, Ill. then moved over to Missouri about 1820. I am researching Wittmer, Villemere, Millmaire and Villmer. Sorry I can't help.....just didn't want you to think you were all alone.

Jennifer We got snow with more on the way, so I probably won't make it to Waterloo until next week. Janet

Dear Janet, Thanks so much for the offer. I am in Denver and we are suppose to get flurries tonight. Jennifer ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ILMONROE-L] Waterloo Advocate look up > Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:45 PM > > Jennifer > If we don't get more snow tonight, I plan on going to the library tomorrow and > I'll check the obits for you. > Janet Flynn, Secretary > MCGS. >

Jennifer If we don't get more snow tonight, I plan on going to the library tomorrow and I'll check the obits for you. Janet Flynn, Secretary MCGS.

I am in need of a look up at the Library for an obit in the Waterloo Advocate for Carl Henry JATHO who died 10 March 1868 I will pay for copying and postage Thanks, Jennifer [email protected]

Janet, Send the application hard copy along with your publication list to the SLGS. Ed -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [ILMONROE-L] Ludwig family >Dear Ed: >The application blank and surname list can be downloaded from our web site. >Just fill them out and mail w/ $10 to M.C.G.S., P. O. BOx 381, Columbia, IL >62236. Or I can mail you a hard copy if you prefer. Let me know. > >I'm working on the 1st Quarterly now and plan on sending it out the first part >of January 1999. Back issues (2 years, since we've only existed since 1996) >are $1 each to members. These are very helpful because they list all members >and the surnames they are researching. > >I look forward to hearing from you. I hope you have a wonderful holiday. >Janet > >