Greetings from Wisconsin. I recently learned that there is a "Henry LONG" family listed for Monroe County in the 1840 Illinois Federal Census, p. 355. Does anyone know what part of Monroe County this would be, and what Catholic parish this would be? Does anyone have any ideas for getting more info about this "Henry LONG" family in the 1840 Illinois Federal Census? The ages of Henry (20-29), the female (20-29) and child (under 5) closely match the Heinrich/Henry LANG/LONG family I am trying to trace who moved to Sherrill (formerly "Sherrill's Mound"), Dubuque County, Iowa, from Illinois about 1847. Also, the Illinois Census shows one member of the household was employed in manufacture or trade. My Heinrich LANG is listed as a "farmer" and "shoemaker" in the 1870 Iowa Federal Census. According to the 1856 State of Iowa Census, my Heinrich LANG family had three children in "Illinois" from about 1837 to about 1846. In this 1856 Census they said they had lived in Iowa for "10 years." According to a 1995 history of Sherrill, this town was started about 1833 by brothers Adam & Isaac SHERRILL who came from Madonnaville, IL. Issac went back to marry Ellen WALKER, 13 Aug 1847, in St. Clair County. He moved back to Illinois in 1852. Because of the similarity between these LONG/LANG families, and this connection between Madonnaville and Sherrill, I am narrowing my search to Monroe County. Does anyone know of any other links between Monroe County and Sherrill or Dubuque County? Here is more info about the family I am trying to trace: Heinrich LANG, b. 1808?, Bavaria? immigrated 1830s? d. 21 Feb 1881, Sherrill, Dubuque Co., IA - wife: Catherine [SCHEUERING], b. 1811?, Bavaria? imm. 1830s? d. 11 Mar 1896, Sherrill. - children: Joseph (Henry), b. 1837/38?, Illinois; m. Elizabeth ? ; d. ? Ignatius/Ignatz, b. 1840-42?, Illinois; m. Barbara ZIEGLER; d. 26 Oct 1910, Sherrill. ("Enos Long" in his Civil War pension papers, born in "the State of Illinois"). Barbara, b. 1845/46?, Illinois; m. C. Ulrich WYSS/WEISS; d. 1886-1892?, at ? Peter, b. 1849, Sherrill, single; d. 1927, Sherrill. Elizabeth, b. 1849? (twin of Peter?), Sherrill; d. in childhood? (Mary?) Theresa, b. 1850, Sherrill; m. Nicholas BRIMEYER; d. 1880, Sherrill. (Margaret?) Mary, b. 1851/52?, Sherrill; m. John ZIEGLER; d. 1901, Balltown, IA. Conrad, b. 1854, Sherrill; m. Anna Helen HERMES; d. 1926, Fulda, Sask., Canada. Anna Catherina, b. 1857, Sherrill; m. Albert KUMMER/CUMMER; d. ? , at ? Most records say Heinrich & Catherine [SCHEUERING] LANG/LONG came from Bavaria. Are there any specific towns in Bavaria that Monroe County immigrants came from during the 1830s? Thanks for any help. If I can be of help with Dubuque County research, please let me know. I have been doing Dubuque County research for 30 years. Daniel Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D. [email protected] Dept. of Psychology University of Wisconsin fax: 715 346-2778 Stevens Point, WI 54481 http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm

I'm looking for proof of a relationship between the following two families listed in the Waterlook township in the 1860 census. Is Mine Brandt the daughter of Herm and Wmine Jobusch? Household #1547 Fred. Aug. Brandt 37 m Prussia Mine Brandt 44 f Prussia Lisb Brandt 8 f IL Lewis Brandt 4 m IL Herm Brandt 2 m IL Household #1548 Herm Jobusch 64 m Prussia Wmine Jobusch 66 f Prussia Wm Kettler(?) 21 m Prussia

I'm looking for proof of a relationship between the following two families listed in the Waterlook township in the 1860 census. Is August Brandt senior the father of Frederick August Brandt? Household #1674 Aug Brandt sen 66 m Prussia Mina Brandt 49 f Prussia Henry Brandt 17 m Prussia Lewis Brandt 14 m Prussia Chls Brandt 12 f(sic) IL Bertha Brandt 7 f IL Household #1547 Fredr Aug Brandt 37 m Prussia Mine Brandt 44 f Prussia Lisb Brandt 8 f IL Lewis Brandt 4 m IL Herm Brandt 2 m IL

On page 171 in Arrowheads to Aerojets it states that Larkin Rutherford moved to St. Clair not far from the present city of Belleville. He settled in Bellefontaine in 1782 and then moved soon after 1800 to St. Clair. I would try St. Clair county for info. it is just above Monroe Co. Phyllis

Dolly: I don't have a lot on Larkin Rutherford because he is not my direct. I do have a lot of Info on the OGLEs as Capt. Joseph is my direct. Do you need OGLE info? I am an officer of Monroe Co. Historical Society and our headquarters is right on the spring (Belle Fontaine) where the "first five" Americans settled after the Rev. War. As you know, Larkin was one of the first five - 1. Capt. James Moore (married to Catherine BIGGS, sister of Capt. Joseph OGLE's first wife, Prudence BIGGS), 2. Larkin Rutherford (m. Nancy OGLE), 3. James Garrison/Garretson (his dau. m. Benj. OGLE, son of Capt. Joseph), 4. Robert Kidd and 5. Shadrach Bond Sr. (uncle of first governor) Do you have a list of Larkin's children, particularly those with Nancy OGLE? If so, will you please send me info on his children? I have written a book on the OGLES, available thru Monroe Co. Genealogical Society (I am an officer there too) and would like to add this information. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Let me know if you need any information on the OGLEs. Janet Flynn

Searching for information on the 1782-1790 family of Larkin Rutherford who was one of the early settlers in Bellefountaine. He came to Illinois with Col. George Rogers Clark and his Virginia "Long Knives" and returned with his fist wife Margaret "Peggy" Hamilton and son William Larkin Rutherford Jr. about 1790. He first settled in Bellefontaine and then removed to Shiloh. I am searching for he and his wives burial places and any information regarding them. He married Marianne Davis, and Nancy Ogle one of Capt. Joseph Ogles daughters. Dolly

Larry: Anything to do with Monroe County, Illinois is "list related". Thank you and Phyllis for your responses. Janet Flynn

Wernle, Larry D JR MVS wrote: > I'll add my two cents on the American Bottoms. It's allegedly the largest > floodplain in the U.S., but I've never seen proof. It runs from the bluffs > in Alton past the bluffs in Collinsville and on down thru the bluffs in > Dupo, etc. All of Granite City, East St. Louis, Cahokia, Madison (the > city), Venice, Caseyville, Alorton, Hartford, Roxana, etc, etc, etc, are in > the floodplain of the Mississippi River. If it weren't for the protection > of several levee districts, large portions of the area would routinely > flood. In the '93 flood, approximately 8 miles of I-64 would have been > underwater in St. Clair County. When Fountain Creek (I think) breached a > flank levee, the wave rushed past Valmeyer. Intentional backflooding > "probably" saved Prairie Du Rocher from the wave by intercepting and > attenuating it. For whatever reason, Rocher was spared. Valmeyer was not. > > I apologize now to those who feel this isn't list-related. > > Larry Wernle in St. Louis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cherlynn B Thomas [SMTP:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:41 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [ILMONROE-L] American Bottom > > > > Excuse my ignorance . . . > > > > What is the American Bottom or "the Bottom." I have seen it mentioned a > > few places in Monroe county, IL articles/histories. > > > > Cherlynn Thomas > > [email protected] > > > > ______________________________ > > ==== ILMONROE Mailing List ==== > One of the peculiar features of the county is the innumerable "sinks" or > "sink-holes." These are funnel shaped depressions in the clay, sometimes > reaching a depth of 100 feet, and are caused by breaks in the St. Louis > limestone .......On the Fountain Creek four miles west of Waterloo, is a > break in the Creek Bluff of this stone, and the trickling of the mineral > laden waters from the roof has left a fascicle of stalactites slightly > resembling a human hand, and as the cave was firstly explored shortly > after the appearance of Mrs. Southworth's novel it has been named the > "Hidden Hand." Near Madonnaville, is a similar passage, and south of > Burksville, one said to have explored upwards of a mile (?). > Combined Atlases of Monroe County 1875, 1901, 1916 p. 11 No apologies necessary! I spent part of my childhood living in my grandmother's home in Granite City and attended several grades of elementary school there (I am now 65 so this was a while ago). I now find it interesting that in school I heard not one word, not a syllable, regarding the huge Indian city of Cahokia---on which we sat, essentially---or on the role of Fort Kaskaskia or of the American Bottom American history, or even anything about the concept "Mississippi Flood Plain" when, it was either 1945 or 1946, there was an ENORMOUS flood in which the water in the streets must have been two or three feet deep. People traveled around by boat and we all had to get typhoid shots. I never even realized that, as the crow flies, we lived only about a mile and a half from the river---going to St. Louis by street car or in an automobile was by a long, circuitous route. No, don't apologize--- I don't see how genealogy can be separated from either geography or history. Nora Tocus, Chicago

I'll add my two cents on the American Bottoms. It's allegedly the largest floodplain in the U.S., but I've never seen proof. It runs from the bluffs in Alton past the bluffs in Collinsville and on down thru the bluffs in Dupo, etc. All of Granite City, East St. Louis, Cahokia, Madison (the city), Venice, Caseyville, Alorton, Hartford, Roxana, etc, etc, etc, are in the floodplain of the Mississippi River. If it weren't for the protection of several levee districts, large portions of the area would routinely flood. In the '93 flood, approximately 8 miles of I-64 would have been underwater in St. Clair County. When Fountain Creek (I think) breached a flank levee, the wave rushed past Valmeyer. Intentional backflooding "probably" saved Prairie Du Rocher from the wave by intercepting and attenuating it. For whatever reason, Rocher was spared. Valmeyer was not. I apologize now to those who feel this isn't list-related. Larry Wernle in St. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: Cherlynn B Thomas [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILMONROE-L] American Bottom > > Excuse my ignorance . . . > > What is the American Bottom or "the Bottom." I have seen it mentioned a > few places in Monroe county, IL articles/histories. > > Cherlynn Thomas > [email protected] > > ______________________________

The American Bottom is the land lying below the Bluffs. In the flood of 1993 they filmed a house going in the flood from the dam breaking, this was a part of the American Bottoms. The town of Valmeyer was in the Bottoms. It's the are which was the river bottoms, when the river went from Bluff to Bluff. If your part of Hecker lies in Monroe Co. there have been no records or courthouse fires. Maybe some type of records in the town hall may have caught on fire at some point. But Monroe Co. courthouse records are fine. What names are you searching. I research at the courthouse quite often. Phyllis > > Excuse my ignorance . . . > > What is the American Bottom or "the Bottom." I have seen it mentioned a > few places in Monroe county, IL articles/histories. > > Cherlynn Thomas > [email protected] > .

Many of my relatives on my father's side were born in Freedom, Monroe, IL, and I understand the area is now known as Hecker. My grandmother told me that she thought "all the courthouse records in Hecker were burned." Is that true? When was the fire? Should I still bother searching for vital records for the Hecker area? Cherlynn Thomas [email protected]

Excuse my ignorance . . . What is the American Bottom or "the Bottom." I have seen it mentioned a few places in Monroe county, IL articles/histories. Cherlynn Thomas [email protected]

Hi Listers: On May 22, 1999, 10:30 A.M. to 12:30 P.M., Shirley (Rehling) Bull will present a program on how to conduct research at the LDS (Mormon) Library in St. Louis County. Fee: MCGS members $2, non-members $4. Reservations are necessary, so please call Morrison-Talbott Library to make yours. Phone No. 618-939-6232. Shirley is a volunteer at the LDS Library and is very knowledgeable about their holdings and how to access them. Janet Flynn

Janet, thanks for the info. Yes I would like to join. Someone recently sent me some info on Dr. Cairns. I plan on eventually coming to Monroe Co. to research Dr. Cairns. I have some info on Dr. Cairns' descendants but not much on Dr. Cairns. I also plan on researching his background when he was in Pennsylvania. Let me know how i can join. thanks, Bill Cairns

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I finally found the parents of Philipp Wagner, blacksmith of Waterloo. The needed clues were in the St. Paul's Confirmations (book C, film 1433230). No one entry is proof. But taking about 5 of them together and assuming that there is only one (Johann) Adam Wagner living in Waterloo in 1847, a family emerges. Married to Margaretha Meier [61], 18 Feb 1823 at Grosskarlbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Friedrich Wagner born ca. 1832 at , St. Clair, IL Philipp Wagner [30] born 4 May 1835 Barbara Wagner born 2 Apr 1837 Purchased land 13 Apr 1837 at , St. Clair, IL Catharina Wagner born ca. 3 May 1837 Georgine Elisabeth Wagner born 6 Jul 1845 Margarethe Wagner born 28 Jun 1849 Margaretha Meier [61] died 14 Sep 1872 at Waterloo, Monroe, IL Died 16 Sep 1874 at Waterloo, Monroe, IL Cited in Photocopy: death Georgine's confirmation included her mother's name, Marg. Meier. Next the Sterbe Register shows the death of both John Adam Wagner and "frau Margaretha Wagner, g. Meier", including the town name, Grosskarlbach, Rhein-Phalz Bayern. A quick check of the IGI shows that a Johann Adam Wagner married Margaretha Meier, 18 Feb 1823 at Grosskarlbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. Quick! Order that microfilm! The IGI also shows a Margaretha Mayer born in Grosskarlbach, but no John Adam Wagner. The IGI does show a John Adam Wagner born in Kottlebach Rhein-Phalz. Hmm. Did he move to Grosskarlbach when he married Margarethe? When does that microfilm arrive? Now I still have questions about the Wagners in Monroe County. There is a George Wagner that appears in the same records. Is he a brother? Is there an obit for John Adam Wagner? Was he naturalized? (They orginally seem to have settled in Millstadt/Centerville before 1832. John Adam purchased some land near Waterloo in 1837.) Hey, I'm excited! In the process I've transcribed just about every WAGNER record I've come across. Related families appear on my website. I would be happy to share the fruits of my labor. John Crossley --- John Crossley Sacramento, California, USA [email protected] http://www.jps.net/crossley Ask me about my Joke-a-Day email list!

Bill: There is a wealth of info in Monroe Co. on Dr. Cairnes. Here's some from Arrowheads to Aerojets (history of Monroe Co.) DR. CALDWELL CAIRNES CALDWELL CAIRNES, M. D. came to Illinois from Pennsylvania soon after the year 1800. His wife was Mary Stevenson Bond, widowed mother of Judge Shadrach Bond, whom Dr. Cairnes met when she was making her first visit to the Illinois country to see her son. Shortly after they met, they were married in the home of her son, Judge Bond. There were three children born to this union. The eldest child was Mary Stevenson Cairnes, named for her mother. She married General James Semple, who was at one time one of the Supreme Judges of Illinois, United States Senator, and Minister to Bogata. The Semples died at their home near Elsah, Jersey County, Illinois. Henry C. Meisner, who kept a store at the old town of Bridgewater, is also listed as a son-in-law of Dr. Caldwell Cairnes. The names of the other two children were not found recorded. Dr. Cairnes bought a fine farm near Harrisonville. He called his splendid farm "Walnut Grove." He was fond of agriculture and farmed on a large scale. He attended, likewise, to his medical profession and had a large practice among the residents of the Bottom. He was elected a Justice of the Peace, and also one of the Judges of the St. Clair County Court before Monroe County was organized. He was sent as one of the delegates from Monroe County to the convention which formed the First Constitution of the State of Illinois. He was one of the active working members of that body. Dr. and Mrs. Cairnes were two of the seven members who helped to organize the Methodist Episcopal Church in Harrisonville Precinct. The first meetings were held in homes. More about the church may be found under the chapter on religion. Dr. Cairnes was a man of sound mind, honest in his transactions with the public, and upright in his deportment. He died on his farm, leaving behind him a good reputation and a large estate. 192 Marriage date - Caldwell Cairns to Mary Bond, January 30, 1800 (unpublished marriage records). This would have been St. Clair Co. as Monroe Co. was not established until Jan 1816. It was carved out of St. Clair and Randolph counties. In the next MCGS Quarterly I am including a short history on Harrisonville Precinct which mentions Dr. Cairnes. You should definitely get the book Minutes of the Organization of Monroe Co. as he was one of the first Commissioners. It is available from MCGS. Would you be interested in joining MCGS? We do not have a current member who is researching Caldwell CAIRNES/CAIRNS and could use your knowledge of this prominent Monroe Co. surname. Also, MCGS will do a basic search for $10 per surname. Janet Flynn

Hi Janet, You mentioned a Shadrach Bond. Do you know if he had a daughter named Mary. I have marriage records that shows a Caldwell Cairns (an ancestor of mine) married a Mary Bond in 1802 (i believe) in Monroe Co. Any info concerning Caldwell Cairns and his children would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill Cairns

Hi Janet, You mentioned a Shadrach Bond. Do you know if he had a daughter named Mary. I have marriage records that shows a Caldwell Cairns (an ancestor of mine) married a Mary Bond in 1802 (i believe) in Monroe Co. Any info concerning Caldwell Cairns and his children would be greatly appreciated.

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