My ancestors with surnames of LARIMER/SHOUGH/CORE were in McLean Co in the mid 1850s. Does anyone know them? Kay in CA

Lucille, My husband's grandmother (Bessie Crowe Baize) gave my husband an old Family Bible years ago before we married. He doesn't know of any significance to the family. Some years ago I had also asked my mother-in-law, Mildred Hatfield Baize, but she did not know either. I am searching for the family to whom it might belong. It has the following information in it. The Bible belonged to Mr. and Mrs. Alvin Webb. Marriages: Mr. Alvin Webb to Miss Lora Kent, February 1894 Mr. Clarence Young to Miss Ellenora Webb, December 25, 1915 Births: Clarence Young, October 15, 1895 Mr. Alvin Webb, February 19, 1871 Lora B. Kent, January 4, 1875 Ellenora Webb, November 2, 1894 If this is your family or you know the connection, please contact me. While searching the Illinois marriages site, I found record of one of the marriages or possibly both -- can't remember now. My husband's grandparents lived in McLean County for some years. Ellen (Short) Baize

Hi to all, I have a gr-great grandfather, Samuel Lorenzo Burns, who lived in McLean County during the above dates before marrying and moving on to Nebraska. A great aunt feels certain that he won the State of Illinois Ice Skating Championship one year. Does anyone have any information about this event? Any ideas for sources I could check? Thanks, Sue

**NEWSFLASH**** MCLEAN COUNTY ILLINOIS AUGUST 27,2000 I know that this may come as quite a shock, but some of your ancestors who resided in McLean County circa 1870 were living right near John The Baptist! Hard to believe isn't it? Yes, I am quite aware of and believe the account of the biblical John's unfortunate demise as recorded in Matthew Chapter 14. But while doing look-ups in the McLean County 1870 Census Index yesterday, I found this entry: JOHN, THE BAPTIST 35, M, W, Ire. Bloomington Twp 258 53 (Honest!) If this is your ancestor, perhaps we need to investigate this further and report back with the results :) Have a blessed--and fun--Sunday, Lisa P.S. Thanks to all of you who responded with information about ordering Illinois records--it was very helpful. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

About IRAD records -- I have ordered them several times, and since I live in NC now, it is wonderful. Go to www.usgenweb.com, select IL from the state list, and do a search for your relative's names in the IRAD global database search. Certain records are indexed online and the search will tell you what records (for example, marriage records) Illinois has for your relative. Different counties records are stored at different locations. You can write to the location (i.e. university) that stores that county's info and get copies of any records that showed up on your search list. You can also search IRAD holdings for that particular county and ask them to search all of those holdings for records for your relatives. For example, I searched for my great-grandmother in the global database search, and found out she had probate records. Then I searched for holdings for McLean County and found they keep probate records, probate inventories, probate wills, etc. So when I requested the records, I requested searches of anything in their holdings with her name on it. I specify my spending limit at 20.00, but in three requests for searches, my highest fee has been $1.70. They charge a minimum of $1.00, plus 10 cents a copy after 5 copies, I believe. And some of the researchers have gone out of their way to send info I did not specifically request. They are FANTASTIC! I haven't had nearly as much success in other states.

Hi McLean County List- This question came to me from an individual who just did a look-up for me in another state. Since I have never had any need to order records in this state I am not exactly certain of this and would like to give him the correct procedures. Would he need to order records from IRAD or from individual counties? Any idea of what the costs would be? How long is it taking for records to arrive to those of you who have used these services? Thanks for any help with this, Lisa I do have Illinois links in my and my wife's ancestry, but they're all in the Cumberland and Cook/Lake counties areas. Have you recently attempted to obtain an old marriage certificate in Illinois? I'm just wondering about the fee and address. I have the names, dates and record numbers (both Cook County) from an index but I'm unsure of the procedure in Illinois, such as writing to the state or the county, etc. Any suggestions? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello list, After lurking here for awhile, I need some info. Does anyone have records for Evergreen cemetery in Bloomington? I'm looking for my greatgrandmother Sarah Elizabeth (Lizzie) IRVIN. She was married to my greatgrandfather William Edward GRIGGS. They apparently divorced about 1908. Oral family history has her remarried to a man named BARBER; no other information on him. Relatives have said she is supposed to be buried at Evergreen, possibly near her son Alvin Edward GRIGGS. She is supposed to have died in the 1920's, but I haven't been able to find any record of her remarriage or death, yet. Thanks for your help. Warren Griggs

To all McLean listers I want to publically say that the work Lisa has done for me has been above and beyond. When we are able to help each other as she has done it adds so much to our research and adds a friend to our lives. Those of us who are far from our sources are lucky to have people like LISA to help us. THANK YOU, LISA Helen T, in AZ

I am glad to hear of any reference to news of or records in McLean County around that period of time. I have a ggrandfather and ggrandmother,Charles Edward Dunn and Matilda Ellen Campbell married 1865 in Perry County ,Il There has been mention of Bloomingon,Il when searching info. on Charles Dunn.I'm not sure what the reference was about. I would like very much to hear of any possible information on churches , ministers etc. in the McLean County, Perry County area. Charles Dunn was born in Indianapolis ,Indiana 1846. Charles Dunn and Matilda Campbell are both buried in St.George,Ga Thanks, Ruth Sherwood [email protected]

I was glad to hear of any traceable sources in McLean County around that period of time. I have a ggrandfather and ggrandmother married in Perry County, Il (1865) Charle Edward Dunn and Matilda Ellen Campbell. They move to Bloomfield, Ia, Davis County when their 2 boys were young. Bloomimgton,Il (McLean County) has been mentioned at some time, by a relative. I don't know what the reference was about. I am looking for any church, Ministers, I would also be interesed in Rev. Sapper's information or where to find out something on him. None of this is on the marriage index. Thanks for any info. PS, Charles Dunn and Matilda were buried in St.George,Ga 1908--1908.

Ruth, These are the listings in the 1885 Bloomington City Directory--perhaps you can make a connection: Dunn Charles F, mach C & A shops, res 201 Orchard Lane. (The middle initial is definitely F) Dunn Albert E. clk Gray Bros, res 201 S Orchard Lane. Dunn Elizabeth C, domestic w s Elm 2 n of Sill, Normal DUNN IMRI, Drugs, Watches, Clocks & Jewelry 202 W. Front, res 601 E Washington Dunn, James P, molder Soper Foundry Co, res 405 E Emerson DUNN, JEFF, Physician, over 116 N Centre, res 315 E. Locust Dunn, Joseph N, molder, res 911 N East Dunn Laura F Miss, res 201 S Orchard Lane Dunn, Phebe Mrs. res 911 N East Dunn, Richard, molder, res 404 E Emmerson Dunn, Richard T, molder, Soper Foundry Co, res 405 E. Emmerson Dunn, Wm A, engineer C & A RR, res 201 S Orchard Lane Dunn Wm A jr, engineer, res 201 S Orchard Lane That same city directory lists Charles Sapper as the pastor of the German Evangelical Church. Hope this helps, Lisa ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi list Because I have a son who lives in the Missoula, MT area and I live in OR, I am w/a map in hand reading his local on-line Missoula newspaper every day. This AM The Missoulian Newspaper told about the terrible 1910 Forest fire and about unidentified firemen buried in ID. It also gives names of those firemen and citizens that died. I thought this post would be of interest for those searching for lost family members. Thus, I took the following info from that article and am posting it on the lists I am on. Please feel free to fwd it if you so wish, but be sure The Missouilan is given credit. Jeannie :) Publisher of the Jericho Wall Genealogy Newsletter w/the focus on the missing women in our trees [email protected] Taken from an article in The Montana Missoulian Newspaper (8/20/2000) TAMING THE DRAGON Fifty-seven firefighters killed in the 1910 fire are buried in the Woodlawn Cemetery in St. Maries, Idaho. Among the headstones are eight marked simply "Unknown." Firefighters had been gathered so quickly that crew bosses did not know all their names. Photo by KURT WILSON/Missoulian MOON PASS, Idaho - When the survivors came crawling from the creeks and mine tunnels, the monster cedars atop Moon Pass were still burning - like candles, one young firefighter imagined, glowing for the dead. Some of the snags burned into the winter, stubbornly bearing witness to the greatest firestorm ever recorded in the northern Rocky Mountains. Some yet stand sentinel, reminders not only of the calamity, but of the debate that followed, changing the course of national forest management by convincing Americans that fire was bad and the forests should be rid of it. The comparisons began a month or more ago, unnerving even the hardest-edged old warhorses. In 1910, the fires began early. There were lightning storms in June, mass ignitions in July and a national call for help in August. Hundreds - more likely, thousands - of fires burned along a north-south line from the Salmon River to the Canadian border. Smoke obscured every horizon. Settlers and firefighters prayed for rains that would not come. Still in its infancy, the U.S. Forest Service was nonetheless determined to protect the great forest reserves of the Northern Region. "I was confronted with the problem of either putting out the fires or being directly responsible for what would have been one of the worst fire disasters in the history of the country," Secretary of Agriculture James Wilson wrote later. "Without hesitation, I called upon the forest officers to stop the fires and to make such expenditures as seemed absolutely necessary to accomplish this result. Every source of help was called in." But the thousands of men - 4,000 was the estimate - dispatched to the fire lines could defend neither themselves nor the national forests when a dry cold front brought hurricane-force winds to the Bitterroot Crest on the afternoon of Aug. 20. Hundreds of fires merged into one maniacal blaze that marched up the mountainous backbone separating Montana from Idaho. Towns and homesteads burned as frantic citizens buried their belongings and boarded rescue trains. Firefighters had time only to cover their heads with blankets and take refuge in creeks and mine shafts; 78 of them died during the firestorm's passing. "All resistance crumpled," said Pyne, who earlier this summer finished work on a book about the 1910 fire. "Crews fled from the hills, camps disintegrated into ash, pack trains vanished." "Maybe they didn't have enough trails or enough telephone lines or enough people, but they were confident that they could handle the fire problem. The 1910 season just blew them away." "The first settlers really accepted fire as part of the Western frontier," Arno said. "It was like the wind and the rain, who could ever do anything about it?" Forty years later, Betty Goodwin Spencer - a north Idaho author - gave this account of Aug. 20, 1910: "The forests staggered, rocked, exploded and then shriveled under the holocaust. Great red balls of fire rolled up the mountainsides. Crown fires, from one to 10 miles wide, streaked with yellow and purple and scarlet, raced through treetops 150 feet from the ground. Bloated bubbles of gas burst murderously into forked and greedy flames. "The heat of the fire and the masses of flaming gas created whirlwinds that mowed down mile-wide swaths of pine and fir and cedar in advance of the flames. And behind all this, advancing ominously and steadily, destroying everything in its path - the ground fire. "Fire brands the size of a man's arm were blasted down in the streets of towns 50 miles from the nearest fire line. The sun was completely obscured in Billings, 500 miles away from the main path of the fire. Remarkable atmospheric disturbances were felt all over the country. While United States Weather Forecaster Brandenburg in Denver watched his thermometer, the temperature dropped 19 degrees in 10 minutes, and at 5 o'clock, a 42 mile-an-hour gale swept Denver, enveloping it in a pall of smoke from the Idaho-Montana fires, 800 miles distant. At Cheyenne, Wyoming, the thermometer registered 38, the lowest reported on the weather map. "You can't outrun wind and fire that are traveling 70 miles an hour. You can't hide when you are entirely surrounded by red-hot color. You can't see when it's pitch black in the afternoon. There were men who went stark raving crazy, men who flung themselves into the on-rushing flames, men who shot themselves. "It was the Big Blowup!" Fifty years after the fire, the men who Edward Pulaski lead to safety were still writing Forest Service offices, telling of his heroism. The last of the letters came in June 1961, when William Chance wrote the ranger in Wallace, Idaho, wondering if he were the only surviving member of Pulaski's crew. Chance was a newly recruited firefighter, bound for the fires in the Bitterroot Mountains, when he met Pulaski on the train from Butte. When they arrived in Wallace, Pulaski issued shovels and bed rolls to each recruit, and escorted them up Placer Creek - "back of town." He taught them how to build "a road" around a fire, Chance said, then how to patrol the road and keep the fire within its bounds. Chance had barely been in the mountains a day when "fire came at us rapidly." And with a ferocity neither Pulaski nor his crew imagined possible. Pulaski, at 40 older by twice than most of his men, insisted they would be safe if they followed him back down the creek to town. He did not know that the people of Wallace had ignited a backfire, hoping to stall the flames, unintentionally trapping Pulaski and his men between two converging walls of flame. Now the crew's only chance was an old prospecting hole, 75 feet deep in the hillside. The firefighters were doubtful when the ranger ordered them into the tunnel, Chance recalled. But Pulaski "emphasized his point with his six-shooters," and the men obeyed. "Inside, the tunnel was a mad house," Chance wrote. "Some men went berserk, clamoring over the prostrate bodies, choking, gasping. Others praying. Others laughing. I'll never forget one man lustily singing, 'The Pride of the House is Mama's Baby.' " Chance said goodbye to a buddy from Butte, and fell unconscious. When he woke, he saw daylight and crawled toward it on hands and knees, finding Pulaski at the tunnel's entrance. The ranger was badly burned, Chance said, as he had tried to extinguish burning mine timbers with his hands. At Pulaski's urging, Chance helped the ranger and others crawl out of the tunnel - and, eventually, down the mountainside to Wallace. Those who were hungry, Pulaski took to the one restaurant not destroyed by the fire. The rest, he took to the hospital. Then he went home, to his wife and 7-year-old daughter. Of all the stories from the night of Aug. 20, 1910, the account of Pulaski saving his crew in the mine shaft is the most enduring, said Pyne. "Out of 35 men and himself, he got 30 out of there alive. One man lagged behind and died in the fire. Five others died in the cave, probably from drowning in a seep while they were unconscious." "He managed to hold them all in there together," the historian said. "They couldn't hear anything. They couldn't see anything. It was so hot they couldn't feel anything. And he saved them by standing at the mine shaft entrance until he also collapsed." And of all the rangers trapped in the woods that night, Pulaski was the only one who served out his career on the Wallace Ranger District. He helped to rebuild the town and replant the forest. He continued fighting fire, and in fact invented the tool - a combination grubhoe and ax - still used by wildland firefighters. "In a way, the story of 1910 is embedded in the Pulaski," Pyne said. "It is still very much a part of the whole culture of fire protection. It's a great story. We've never found another one quite like it." Because they were so young, because they were so traumatized by the fire and the politics and the failed first attempt at wildfire suppression, the forester-firefighters who survived the big blowup simply would not concede any benefit to keeping fire in the national forests. There are still, along the Bitterroot Divide, reminders of the big burn of August 1910. The silent cedar snags at Moon Pass. The mostly abandoned mine tunnels in the thicket along Placer Creek. The crumpled photographs in the old Milwaukee Road Depot in Avery. Of wind-thrown pines and weary firestorm refugees. The double circle of 57 firefighters' graves in the cemetery at St. Maries. Forty granite markers on the outside row, 17 on the inside. The inner circle facing the outer. Chris Christensen. O. Ellefsen. Frank Sanders. K. Anderson. Anton Bugar. J. Stevens. Unknown. Jack Hill. Unknown. Oscar Berg. Harry Jackson. L. Schwartz. Frank Masterson. "In memory of the men who lost their lives fighting forest fires August 20, 1910." The injured and dead among the victims of the 1910 fires In 1910, fire suppression went on the offensive and firefighters, for the first time, dominated the list of casualties. For days after the blowup, newspapers in Spokane carried lists of injured firefighters. To wit: A.E. Sullivan: totally blind, right arm broken and may lose right hand. Tony Varish: totally blind, body badly burned. John Blitten: right arm burned, will have to be amputated. T. Gayers: face terribly burned. Wm. Christianson: mass of burns around the face and neck, will probably die. J. Rickey: hands, face and feet badly burned. Jack Flinn: blind. George Carrigan: feet burned; will be crippled for life. Edmond Hickman: face terribly burned and nose completely burned off. Mike Darrick: totally blind, burned about face and neck, will probably die. For weeks, the dead were buried (where they fell), then disinterred and reburied (in memorial plots at Wallace and St. Maries). The U.S. Forest Service recorded each man's name, the amount due him for firefighting and the means by which his body was identified. >From those records come these accounts of the men found dead on Setzer Creek: Ed Murphy. $21.50. Address unknown. Buried on Setzer Creek. No clue as to his identity. Henry Jackson. $5.50. Tacoma, Wash. Buried on Setzer Creek. Wrote the mayor of Tacoma to look up this man. Identified by Ed Bassett by heel plate worn on shoe. G.A. Blodgett. $50.75. Supposed to have lived at Hotel Reilley, Butte, Mont. Had card of Butte Workingman's Union No. 5. Wrote to father and mother. Oscar Weigert. $15. Missoula, Mont. Supposed to have committed suicide, thinking that he would be burned to death. Had hat, clothes, cartridges, gun, tobacco, cigarette papers. Effects sent to Missoula. L. Ustlo. $41.75. Address unknown. Effects: pocket knife, gold watch. Buried on Setzer Creek. This man was a tall and well-dressed Finlander. Wore lace belt. Scar on right knee. Unable so far to get a clue to this man's identity.

Wilhelmine H. J. WAGNER, the daughter of Wilhelmine ESKE and Adolph WAGNER, and Johann Julius KOENIG, the son of Henrietta SCHULTZ and Christian KOENIG, were marred October 4, 1887. Although both lived in Gibson City in Ford County, the license was issued in McLean County, and they were married in Bloomington by the Rev. C. J. W. SAPPER, an Evangelical Lutheran pastor. Witnesses were Johann HARNLOW and Carl UTESCH. Does anyone know what church the Rev. SAPPER might have been associated with? Wilhelmine died between 1897 and 1900. There is no record in Ford County. Does anyone have access to death records or cemetery listings (particularly for any Evangelical Lutheran Church cemeteries) for McLean? By the 1900 Ford Co. census, Julius had married a woman named Mathilda, who like Julius and Wilhelmine, was also born in Germany. They are not on the IL Statewide Marriage Index. By 1910 the Koenigs had migrated to Spokane Co., Washington, apparently accompanied by their neighbors the John OLSON family, who were originally from Sweden. Any clues at all would be much appreciated. I would be glad to trade research at the Georgia Archives or the National Archives for help with McLean County. Leah in Georgia

Lisa or any list member, You mentioned a new book of 1870 McLean Co Census Index. If you have time, could you look up George W. Kellar/Keller and see if he and his wife, Lydia are listed? They were married in early 1870 in Moultrie Co. and she died in childbirth in McLean County at the end of October 1870. I thought perhaps they were there for the census. Thanks a lot for checking. Marlys in MN [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

I know there was someone on here interested in finding information on LOWE. I have found a little bit of cemetery information from: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dawson Cemetery: Lowe (see Meek) Jessie (Evans) Oct 23, 1889 - May 7,1945 d/o Edgar and Amanda Lowe Husband: Edgar Meek - no dates Married: 1943 - Widow Fred Turley ~:~Debbie From Illinois~:~

Lucille, Found a few things regarding Merritt Young for you today which I will ship in the mail. The 1860 census entry listed below will be quite interesting given what you have already noted about the family. (This is from the transcription, NOT the actual census. The only way to be certain of the original is to view the actual microfilms. Best Wishes Lisa Cheney's Grove Township Young, M C 32 M Master Carpenter 400 200 Ky Harriet A 27 F In Charles A 10 M In Mary E 8 F In Thomas B. 6 M Il Sela O. 2 F Il I also saw a new book today--1870 McLean Co. Census index and he was listed as follows: Merrit C, 43 M W KLy Saybrook Film 253 p. 274 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Re: 1k I don't make the connection -please inform. Are McCleans part of the Archibalds? Shirla

Sorry John, I don't know about a CD but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, Good luck. Shirla

Hello List, I have received an interesting article about families that started from McLean, IL and went to Kansas Territory and in 1856 because they wouldn't ride with Georgia and Missouri mobsters to terrorize abolistionists they were to be forced from their new homes. Hobson with an old wagon and tired animals told Mrs. Barnes and children, and his own family back to McLean and Ebenezer Barnes and Isaac Dement were never heard from again. Can anyone help me identify these people. I think this Ebenezer Barnes is the brother of my direct relative, William Harrison Barnes, and son of Ebenezer Barnes Sr. and Ruth Dement. Ebenezer Barnes died in McLean, IL in 1836 and is buried there. Here is some of the information to let you know what I am looking into. Daily Illinois State Journal, Springfield, II (Vol. IX No. 92) September 29, 1856, page 2, column 2 MORE OF THE KANSAS OUTRAGES Editors of the State Journal: Gents: - Though your columns we wish to call the attention of the citizens of Illinois to a plain statement of the facts in the relation to the treatment received at the hands of a Missouri and Georgia mob in Kansas Territory, by three highly repectable and peaceable families, who emigrated from McLean county about eighteen months ago, and settled near Waukarosa, K.T. viz: Mr. Ebenezer Barnes, Isaac DEMENT, and Wm. Hobson. These men were not politicians, but farmers, and all sold good farms in Illinois and went to Kansas Territory with the view of bettering their worldly condition and aiding in the improvement of that new country: and through their industry and their practical knowledge of their business, they were beginning to reap the reward of their labor. Mr. Barnes purchased a claim on Sugar Creek, for which he paid $800 in cash, had 100 acres cultivation and was Post Master at Sugar Mound. Mr. DEMENT was engaged in merchandising at the same place, and was doing a good business. Mr. Hobson had a good farm in the same settlement, had just put in operaton a steam saw mill, and had all the machinery for wool carding nearly ready for busienss. During the month of August these men were several times called on to assist in driving out the Abolitionists, but refused to take any part in the slavery controversy, thinking that they would thus be permitted to enjoy their homes in peace. But this did not satisfy the "law and order men," who intimated that if they did not render the required assistance they would be driven out of the Territory. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Charlene Swan [email protected]

Newspaper files on microfiom are found at the Bloomington Public Library in Bloomington, Illinois. The library is on Olive Street, across the street from the Bloomington Police Department. ~:~Debbie From Illinois~:~