my computer is back and I will be catching up on the site soon. Tim

Thanks for the List Donna, I printed it out . It may be helpful in finding some of the causes of deaths in our families. Also my name is Donna

GLAD TO HELP--SO FAR MOST QUESTIONS AREN'T HARD TO ANSWER--I'VE BEEN LUCKY!!! THE MASSAC CO. HISTORICAL SOC. HERE HAS A FEW COPIES OF THEIR 1ST HISTORY BOOK FOR SALE. IT BRIEFLY TOUCHES THE SUBJECT OF INDIANS WHO LIVED HERE. GEORGE W. MAY HAS TWO BOOKS THAT ALSO TELL SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE LAND IN MASSAC CO. THE IL. SEC. OF STATE WILL MAIL YOU FREE THE "ORGIN AND EVOLUTION OF IL COUNTIES" AND "IL COUNTIES & INCORPORATED MUNICIPALITIES"--BOTH ARE VERY HANDY BOOKLETS FOR FINDING DATES OF COUNTY FORMATIONS. THE 1ST BOOKLET INCLUDES MAPS AS EACH COUNTY WAS FORMED. THEY WILL ALSO MAIL YOU FREE THE "ILLINOIS 2000 BLUEBOOK"--MOSTLY POLITICAL INFORMATION, BUT HAS A HISTORY SECTION. 592 PAGES, INDEXED AND HARDBOUND. YOU CAN ALSO READ IT ON THEIR WEBSITE. THE "HISTORY OF MASSAC CO. BY O.J. PAGE" IS SOLD OUT BY THE MCGS, BUT CAN BE PURCHASED BY HIGGERSON BOOKS (THEIR VERSION ISN'T INDEXED). THIS GIVES SOME INFORMATION ABOUT FT. MASSAC AND MASSAC CO. WHEN THE COUNTY WAS FORMED. THE "HISTORY OF JOHNSON CO" BY MRS. P.T. CHAPMAN IS FOR SALE BY THE JCHGS; INDEX IS FOR SALE BY SANDS GENEALOGISTS. THIS MENTIONS A STORE AT FT. MASSAC AND GIVES SOME HISTORY FOR OTHER AREAS IN SO. ILLINOIS. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING CURRENTLY FOR SALE ON POPE CO. HISTORY. I'LL LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE AND SEE IF ANY OF IT IS STILL FOR SALE. I'LL MAIL YOU THE FLYERS/INFORMATION FOR THE OTHERS. I'LL CHECK TO SEE IF A SET OF THE "DRAPER COLLECTION OF MANUSCRIPTS" FILM IS IN YOUR AREA. THIS WILL HAVE SOME VERY EARLY FT. MASSAC MATERIAL IN IT. LATER, ANN ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda MacReynolds <FlyLinda@webtv.net> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > Hi Ann > Enjoyed readingf what you wrote about Massac, Pope and Johnson Co. Are > there any books that can be purchased from Metropolis that tells the > history of the land in the 1800's and early 1900's. I would be > interested in purchasing such a book. > Thanks for all the hard work that you all do up there for all of us > searching for our ancestors. I have been very successful. > Linda in Orlando > >

Hi Ann Enjoyed readingf what you wrote about Massac, Pope and Johnson Co. Are there any books that can be purchased from Metropolis that tells the history of the land in the 1800's and early 1900's. I would be interested in purchasing such a book. Thanks for all the hard work that you all do up there for all of us searching for our ancestors. I have been very successful. Linda in Orlando

Listees, I am requesting your assistance for information on the following; SNOW, Orson (or Orsen) born 1827 in NY (County Unknown) and/or SNOW, Edward plying his trade of Ship's Carpenter in the New York City area during 1815 per Longworths American Almanac, New York Register & City Directory, page #388. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance, F.P. SNOW mailto:fsnow1@san.rr.com

Not confused at all, you explained it very well. Thanks so much. You see, I found the only Weaver listed in IL tax records in 1810 in Fort Massack. Since my Lewis was born 1816, in IL and probably lived his whole life in southern IL I am trying to prove that John Weaver was the father of Lewis. Funny thing is Lewis' father was born in KY. There was a John Weaver who skipped out on his taxes in Campbell Co., KY (on the Ohio river). Says he "gon to Orleens". Very posible he could have stopped at Fort Massack. I don't know what type of post they had there in 1805. That's why I want to make sure I know what county to look in for the time period 1805 - 1816. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:42 PM To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack No, we don't have a Massac or Fort Massac township. There was a Massac City until the 1890's when it and Metropolis City merged to become Metropolis. Massac County was formed out of Pope and Johnson Counties in 1843, but in 1810 neither Pope or Johnson were formed yet. This would have been Randolph County in 1810 (this is the year you asked for). Randolph was formed in 1795 out of the Northwest territory. Johnson Co. began in 1812 and Pope in 1816. Ft. Massac between 1816 and 1843 was in Pope Co. They have excellent court records in Pope Co. (circuit clerk's office); and deeds in the County Clerk's office at Golconda. You may also want to look in the Draper Books where you live--Frontier papers and George Rodgers Clark papers. There are some old maps and records in those indexes relating to Ft. Massac in the late 1700's and early 1800's. The precincts that Ft. Massac border now are Metropolis precinct and Brooklyn precinct. It is state owned now. Totally confused yet????? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > Ann, is there still a Fort Massack township? I thought Massac county was > formed from Pope and Johnson. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:43 AM > To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > > Randolph Co., IL > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> > To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:48 AM > Subject: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > > > Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810? > > > > > >

No, we don't have a Massac or Fort Massac township. There was a Massac City until the 1890's when it and Metropolis City merged to become Metropolis. Massac County was formed out of Pope and Johnson Counties in 1843, but in 1810 neither Pope or Johnson were formed yet. This would have been Randolph County in 1810 (this is the year you asked for). Randolph was formed in 1795 out of the Northwest territory. Johnson Co. began in 1812 and Pope in 1816. Ft. Massac between 1816 and 1843 was in Pope Co. They have excellent court records in Pope Co. (circuit clerk's office); and deeds in the County Clerk's office at Golconda. You may also want to look in the Draper Books where you live--Frontier papers and George Rodgers Clark papers. There are some old maps and records in those indexes relating to Ft. Massac in the late 1700's and early 1800's. The precincts that Ft. Massac border now are Metropolis precinct and Brooklyn precinct. It is state owned now. Totally confused yet????? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > Ann, is there still a Fort Massack township? I thought Massac county was > formed from Pope and Johnson. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:43 AM > To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > > Randolph Co., IL > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> > To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:48 AM > Subject: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > > > Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810? > > > > > >

I am not positive, but I don't think there was a Fort Massack township since Massac County was formed in 1843. Yes, Massac Co was formed from Johnson and Pope counties at that time. Illinois did not become a state till 1818. And you can find a listing for Fort Massaic District in records of the Indiana Territory where it list those residing in that District. Also, in 1809 when the last change in counties was made before your mentioned date of 1810, there were 2 counties for Illinois Territory and they were St. Clair County which was from mid-southern Illinois to the north and Randolph County which included all of southern Illinois. In 1812, the county lines were changed again and several counties added. At that time what is now Massac County was completely included in what was then Johnson County. The same for the changes made in 1813 and 1815. But in 1816, what is now Massac County was divided in half into Johnson and Pope Counties. This line held true till Massac County was formed from Johnson and Pope in 1843. I took this info from the free handout from the office of Illinois Secretary of State called "Origin and Evolution and Illinois Counties". This is a good little book that explains the forming of the Illinois counties in detail. I hope I have gotten the info correct here with the dates. Norma Jean -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack >Ann, is there still a Fort Massack township? I thought Massac county was >formed from Pope and Johnson. > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] >Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:43 AM >To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > >Randolph Co., IL >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> >To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:48 AM >Subject: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > > >> Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810? >> >> >

Randolph Co., IL Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:48 AM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810? > >

McCracken Co., KY Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:06 AM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Kentucky County > I don't have internet at the moment and was wondering if anyone knows what > the name of the Kentucky county is that's right below Massac Co? > > >

Ann, is there still a Fort Massack township? I thought Massac county was formed from Pope and Johnson. -----Original Message----- From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 11:43 AM To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack Randolph Co., IL Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:48 AM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Fort Massack > Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810? > >

Weaver, Judy wrote: > > I don't have internet at the moment and was wondering if anyone knows what > the name of the Kentucky county is that's right below Massac Co? McCracken County--county seat Paducah.

Does anyone know what county was Fort Massack in 1810?

I don't have internet at the moment and was wondering if anyone knows what the name of the Kentucky county is that's right below Massac Co?

McCracken

JUDY, MASSAC CO. WAS FORMED IN 1843 OUT OF POPE AND JOHNSON COUNTIES. YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK IN ONE OF THOSE COUNTIES. ANN ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Wills and Probate records > Does anyone know if there is an index to these records for 1839? I am > looking for the will or probate record for Thomas F. Anderson d. 1839. > Could there be an obituary from this time period? > > Thanks, > Judy > >

Thanks Ann -----Original Message----- From: John Laird [mailto:l346@midwest.net] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:21 PM To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Wills and Probate records JUDY, MASSAC CO. WAS FORMED IN 1843 OUT OF POPE AND JOHNSON COUNTIES. YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK IN ONE OF THOSE COUNTIES. ANN ----- Original Message ----- From: Weaver, Judy <JWeaver@DoanePetCare.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Wills and Probate records > Does anyone know if there is an index to these records for 1839? I am > looking for the will or probate record for Thomas F. Anderson d. 1839. > Could there be an obituary from this time period? > > Thanks, > Judy > >

Does anyone know if there is an index to these records for 1839? I am looking for the will or probate record for Thomas F. Anderson d. 1839. Could there be an obituary from this time period? Thanks, Judy

SURE, WILL BE GLAD TO. DO THEY HAVE YOUR ADDRESS? IF NOT, E-MAIL IT ALSO. ANN ----- Original Message ----- From: <Weacon1@aol.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [ILMASSAC] Georges Creek > Hi Ann, remember me from the library on Sat? Well when they copied two > things for me they missed pages. If I send you an email with the correct > pages would you pass it on to the library? Maybe they will copy the missing > pages and mail them to me. > Judy Weaver > >

Thanks, I will send it