James W Momlinson was a ship carpenter John Street was a farmer Henry Sidner was a farmer Joshua Slankard was a farmer Henry W Turner was a teacher John M Elliot was a furniture dealer Adolph R Grouse was a salesman George Lutkins was a carpenter Reaves J Rankin was a farmer W W Baker was a ship carpenter Presely A Fuller was a caulker William E Walsh was a druggist Alex Fuller was a laborer G W Peter was a druggist Samuel C Cooley was a barber Henry Rapendahl was a trader William T Wiant was an engineer Francis W Roberts was a carriage maker Peter Ross was a porter W B Hacket was a miller H S Cutting was a mechanic Reuben Dye was a mechanic Jerry Mizell was a public officer Frank A Gregory was a wheelright J C Garrett was a preacher Jerry T Trumbo was a merchant Henry H King was an engineer Charles E Pennington was a railroad contractor James Phenix was a farmer Richard Hopson was in lumbering John McDaniel was a cooper John D Scott was keeping a boarding house Rueben Bunger was a clerk Charley Hollingsworth was a laborer Bartlett S Kerr was an attorney John Shipman was a painter

Thank you Bill Oliver! Here are Massac surnames that are direct lines in my family tree: SEILBECK, GRIEPENSTROH, GURLEY, HAMBY, LAIRD, LEUKERING, MAY, PALMER, RODENBERG, & WERFELMAN. Thank you for stimulating this web-site. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Oliver" <wnoliver@worldnet.att.net> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: [ILMASSAC] From Site & List Manager > Good Evening Folks, > > My computer has been going "south" lately, crashing at > least once daily. Sometimes I have to use "go-back" to > restore programs and I lose some data in the process. > > Have I gotten to all the "surnames" etc that I should > have?? In other words, have I missed anyone who has > asked me to do something? Please let me know if I > have. > > Sincerely, > > Bill Oliver > Site and List Manager > -=- > > P.s. The new computer gets her on Halloween [if on > time]. > > Bill > -=- > > >

Hi Susan, Yes, but that branch I just learned about a year or so ago, so I don't yet know much about them yet. My line is from "Richy" who married Polly HARPER in Johnson county in ca 1855. Their son, James Nelson OLIVER married Sarah Malissa BENSON, daughter of Charles B BENSON and Martha Ann CRENSHAW Benson Whittenberg. Martha Ann was the daughter of the Frederick R CRENSHAW that I have from Massac county. Actually Frederick R CRENSHAW was born in New Madrid, Louisiana Territory. Maybe I can learn about my other OLIVERs now. The cemetery that I wrote about on Little Egypt Heritage was about the OLIVER cemetery just outside Vienna. Those pictures that I have up on the web site for Little Egypt are of that cemetery. I have some more history of these OLIVERs as they lived in Christian county, KY in the 1810s & 20s and then prior to that in the 96th District of South Carolina after the Revolution. They's Hollar folk.s The very best of the Scot-Irish! :) Bill Oliver -=- Susan & Del wrote: > Bill, > > I've been meaning to ask you if your Olivers are connected to the Johnson County Olivers. That is my line. My great grandmother was Lela Pearl OLIVER who married Tobie WELLS. > > Susan

Good Evening Folks, My computer has been going "south" lately, crashing at least once daily. Sometimes I have to use "go-back" to restore programs and I lose some data in the process. Have I gotten to all the "surnames" etc that I should have?? In other words, have I missed anyone who has asked me to do something? Please let me know if I have. Sincerely, Bill Oliver Site and List Manager -=- P.s. The new computer gets her on Halloween [if on time]. Bill -=-

Bill, I've been meaning to ask you if your Olivers are connected to the Johnson County Olivers. That is my line. My great grandmother was Lela Pearl OLIVER who married Tobie WELLS. Susan

Is there anyone on this list working on a Smith family. I need some info on a Peter Smith and wife Eliza (Lucy) Bryant. They were from Montgomery Co., Tn and were to have moved to Massac County ca. 1855. Thank You Judy Hilst

Hi, My gggrandfather, Jacob R. Gates, moved to Massac Co. in about 1842 and was a hog farmer. According to ads in the newspaper, he was also a butcher and had a stall at the farmer's market in Metropolis. He was briefly the Massac Co. treasurer and ran once but lost an aldermanic seat. Family history says that several of his children worked on the Ohio River ...but I don't have any records. His wife was Mary G. Faughn and her family were farmers. Jacob and Mary and all of their children and their families moved to Butler Co. Missouri in 1876 and then to Greene Co. Arkansas by 1880. Gail Compton

Hi Susan, Hewing is used in two different contexts in my knowledge. One is the cutting of timber; referring to the heavy blows needed to weld an ax into the trunk of a tree. The other is pressing of a viewpoint, say in an editorial of a newspaper. Tis the best I can do; but my sense would be use as in lumberman in the area of Massac county. Can someone enlighten us more??? I sure like your salutation ... "Forever curious" ..... Bill Oliver List and Site Manager -=- Susan & Del wrote: > Good morning all! My Massac County ancestors were for the most part farmers, although my great grandfather COLLIE was reputed to be a carpenter. It is said that he built the railing and possibly the altar at the Oak Grove Methodist Church. My great grandfather WELLS worked in Metropolis at the Wyoming Tie & Timber Co., where he was an engineer for the process of creosote treatment of the timber. But the reason I am really writing is because of a census entry I ran across last night. The young man's (no relation of mine) occupation was listed as Hewist. Does anyone have an idea what this actually is? What was it that he was hewing? > > Forever curious... > Susan

Good morning all! My Massac County ancestors were for the most part farmers, although my great grandfather COLLIE was reputed to be a carpenter. It is said that he built the railing and possibly the altar at the Oak Grove Methodist Church. My great grandfather WELLS worked in Metropolis at the Wyoming Tie & Timber Co., where he was an engineer for the process of creosote treatment of the timber. But the reason I am really writing is because of a census entry I ran across last night. The young man's (no relation of mine) occupation was listed as Hewist. Does anyone have an idea what this actually is? What was it that he was hewing? Forever curious... Susan

Good Morning Sally and other Good Folk, W*O*W!!! What a wonderful gift to the list!!! Yes, please do send more. Shall I make a page and put these wonderful bits on the Massac ILGenWeb Project site?? Bill Oliver List and Site Manager -=- Sally wrote: > Hi > My Campbells and Phenix lines were Farmers. > Thought I would share some of the occupations I found for some of the folks living in Massac. > William Ware was a Painter > Charles & Franklin Hollingsworth was a tobacconist > Francis S Glass was a cooper > Thaddeous S Stone was a cooper > Wm C Parkins was a cooper > Joseph E Brown was a Physician > William Sellers was a day laborer > Ben Chumbler was a day laborer > Emanuel Rex was a photographer > Sanford Grace was a brickmaker > James K Brown was a Teacher > Henry Marion Hughlin was a teamster > N H Middleswart was a carpenter > W C Harris was a carpenter > Zenas Taner was a mechanic > Albert T Morley was a Practioner of medicine > Richard L Eccles was a mechanic > Felix Allen Taylor was a Physician > Frederick Rasche was a carpenter > Alfred Morris was a farmer > John Cooleu was a manual laborer > Joshua M Reynolds was a teacher and a farmer > B F Rose was a Blacksmith > James Burchamp was a laborer > Doc Turner was a laborer > Samuel T Owens was a farmer > John L Anderson was a farmer > William Summers was a Minister of the Gospel > Charles C Stone was a cooper > Allen House was a laborer > Charles A Nelson was a carpenter > George M Beckelhymer was a plasterer > William Winston occupation was teeming > William Napoleon Stroud was a carpenter > Finis Byrd was a mill worker > John W Burgess was a trader > George Alby was a laborer > Frank L Bruner was a Mechanic > Oscar Bastie was a riverman > Remus J Rankin was a farmer > Thomas Ward was a carpenter > Samson Sutter was a carpenter > Ruben Bryant was a carpenter > William H Hays was an attorney at law > John Jones was a laborer > John H Groff was a shoemaker > Thomas A Smith was an artist and a farmer > Homer S Rose was a sawyer in mill > Horace I Yost was a manufacturer of wagon materials > William S Baccus was a miller > John Q Conner was a druggist > Evan Wallace was a farmer > Henry T Maret was a tinner > William D Miller was a shoemaker > John E Munal was a painter > Ewell Dollar was clerking > Samuel Granvill was an engineer > Daniel M Conner was a potter > A M Odekirk was a carpenter > Henry May was a merchant > Charles Daniel Stewart was a merchant > Adolphus Pergande was a groceryman > Lenring Corlis was a merchant > Charles B Wells was a ship carpenter > John Widmer was a shoemaker > George W Heidman was a clerk > Jesse Tillman was steamboating > Winston Holland was steamboating > J L King was a teacher > George W Shelton was a mechanic > W C Lukens was a shoemaker > Henry Heidecker was a blacksmith > James D Hedges was in engineering > James W Martin was an engineer > Martin V Day was a carpenter > J R Mathews was a stonebuilder > William Foy was a ship planker > George H Kritzer was an engineer > Jesse A Woods was a merchant > Henry F Riepe was in merchandizing > George F Quante was in merchandizing > John W Rienker was a sawyer > Walter P Cutting was a ship carpenter > Charles H Beshears was a miller > G W Copenhaver was a farmer > Solomon Deleplain was in merchandising > Thomas Brannon was a brick mason > J H Mizell was a constable > George F Korte was a merchant > William C Madden was a blacksmith > Henry S Beaupre was a ship carpenter > John Bunchman was a blacksmith > John Galliher was a carpenter > Wm F Clark was a carpenter > Edward Tomlinson was a caulker > Albert E Adkins was a physician > J R Rausch was a minister of the gospel > Aaron C Fuller was a caulker > Hiram C Fisher was a phsician > J H Hempeler was a blacksmith > Wilson Gaines was a cooper > > More to come...

Good Morning All, What a good way to start the day. My Gr/Gr/Grandfather's brother moved to Massac County in the early 1850s and I am wondering what his occupation was. I found a land record showing he, Frederick R. Crenshaw, bought 40 acres of Swamp Land in Massac County in Dec. 1850. Does anyone know what swamp land was used for in those days? Frederick's wife was Elizabeth Conway, and the census state she was a seamstress. Was there a factory in Massac Co. then? Mary Jo

Good Morning Donna and other Good Folk, Do you know if your WEAVERs were ever weavers or tailors? Folks in days gone by seemed to be multi-occupational, trying their hand at one thing then another. Quite often, though primarily farmers, families developed many skills in order to help one another. One such ancestral family of mine had sons who were also the blacksmith, the cooper, the wheelwright, and to fit in the new "son-in-law" became a "buggy stripper". Thanks for the post!! Bill Oliver List and Site manager -=- DeesMOM208@aol.com wrote: > Bill, that is always a misery and you can imagine the life 200 years ago. > WEAVERS were generally farmers. Andrew Weaver ran a poor farm where those > could work and live there until times were better. Issac Weaver ran the > general store at the "cross roads" near New Liberty then returned to farming. > > They were an interlay a different people than we are today. > > Donna

Good Morning Nova and other Good Folk, Wonderful!! I can just hear the 'fiddlin' and stomping foot! One of my Great Grandfathers was a harmonica playing 'carnie' man, but it was Great Grandma who 'hired' out the girls to keep a cash flow in the family. But, that is a different story. :) Some of our ancestors were sure colorful, and here we are today! <VBG> Bill Oliver List and Site Manager -=- NovaB@aol.com wrote: > Good Morning Mr. Bill ! > This is a good topic, and something I've always been curious about too! > As far as I know, my G-grandpa Ditterline was a > " Fiddle Player and Heavy Moonshine drinker", although I don't know that > those count as " occupations " ! There were farmers in his family though, > because he tended to > " rent out " his own son's ( at a very early age ), to his brothers as > workers. > ( Doesn't sound like a very pleasant man to me!) > I don't know about my Murphy's and Ellis'. Hopefully they were a little more > " upstanding" people!!! > Take care all, > Nova ( Ditterline ) Ferrington

Good Morning Mr. Bill ! This is a good topic, and something I've always been curious about too! As far as I know, my G-grandpa Ditterline was a " Fiddle Player and Heavy Moonshine drinker", although I don't know that those count as " occupations " ! There were farmers in his family though, because he tended to " rent out " his own son's ( at a very early age ), to his brothers as workers. ( Doesn't sound like a very pleasant man to me!) I don't know about my Murphy's and Ellis'. Hopefully they were a little more " upstanding" people!!! Take care all, Nova ( Ditterline ) Ferrington

Hi My Campbells and Phenix lines were Farmers. Thought I would share some of the occupations I found for some of the folks living in Massac. William Ware was a Painter Charles & Franklin Hollingsworth was a tobacconist Francis S Glass was a cooper Thaddeous S Stone was a cooper Wm C Parkins was a cooper Joseph E Brown was a Physician William Sellers was a day laborer Ben Chumbler was a day laborer Emanuel Rex was a photographer Sanford Grace was a brickmaker James K Brown was a Teacher Henry Marion Hughlin was a teamster N H Middleswart was a carpenter W C Harris was a carpenter Zenas Taner was a mechanic Albert T Morley was a Practioner of medicine Richard L Eccles was a mechanic Felix Allen Taylor was a Physician Frederick Rasche was a carpenter Alfred Morris was a farmer John Cooleu was a manual laborer Joshua M Reynolds was a teacher and a farmer B F Rose was a Blacksmith James Burchamp was a laborer Doc Turner was a laborer Samuel T Owens was a farmer John L Anderson was a farmer William Summers was a Minister of the Gospel Charles C Stone was a cooper Allen House was a laborer Charles A Nelson was a carpenter George M Beckelhymer was a plasterer William Winston occupation was teeming William Napoleon Stroud was a carpenter Finis Byrd was a mill worker John W Burgess was a trader George Alby was a laborer Frank L Bruner was a Mechanic Oscar Bastie was a riverman Remus J Rankin was a farmer Thomas Ward was a carpenter Samson Sutter was a carpenter Ruben Bryant was a carpenter William H Hays was an attorney at law John Jones was a laborer John H Groff was a shoemaker Thomas A Smith was an artist and a farmer Homer S Rose was a sawyer in mill Horace I Yost was a manufacturer of wagon materials William S Baccus was a miller John Q Conner was a druggist Evan Wallace was a farmer Henry T Maret was a tinner William D Miller was a shoemaker John E Munal was a painter Ewell Dollar was clerking Samuel Granvill was an engineer Daniel M Conner was a potter A M Odekirk was a carpenter Henry May was a merchant Charles Daniel Stewart was a merchant Adolphus Pergande was a groceryman Lenring Corlis was a merchant Charles B Wells was a ship carpenter John Widmer was a shoemaker George W Heidman was a clerk Jesse Tillman was steamboating Winston Holland was steamboating J L King was a teacher George W Shelton was a mechanic W C Lukens was a shoemaker Henry Heidecker was a blacksmith James D Hedges was in engineering James W Martin was an engineer Martin V Day was a carpenter J R Mathews was a stonebuilder William Foy was a ship planker George H Kritzer was an engineer Jesse A Woods was a merchant Henry F Riepe was in merchandizing George F Quante was in merchandizing John W Rienker was a sawyer Walter P Cutting was a ship carpenter Charles H Beshears was a miller G W Copenhaver was a farmer Solomon Deleplain was in merchandising Thomas Brannon was a brick mason J H Mizell was a constable George F Korte was a merchant William C Madden was a blacksmith Henry S Beaupre was a ship carpenter John Bunchman was a blacksmith John Galliher was a carpenter Wm F Clark was a carpenter Edward Tomlinson was a caulker Albert E Adkins was a physician J R Rausch was a minister of the gospel Aaron C Fuller was a caulker Hiram C Fisher was a phsician J H Hempeler was a blacksmith Wilson Gaines was a cooper More to come...

Bill, that is always a misery and you can imagine the life 200 years ago. WEAVERS were generally farmers. Andrew Weaver ran a poor farm where those could work and live there until times were better. Issac Weaver ran the general store at the "cross roads" near New Liberty then returned to farming. They were an interlay a different people than we are today. Donna

Good Morning Folks, Researching [in other words, questioning] brings forth many perplexing mysteries. Curiosity is not just a child's trait, it is the trait of all folk who are in awe and wonder about their surroundings ... their life. Toward the end of the 1850s, my ancestor, Frederick R CRENSHAW moved into Massac county. I wonder why. He may have farmed, but I doubt that strictly. My unsubstantiated feeling is that he was in a business with a commodity. Is it possible that there was a wool industry in Massac county during this time period? Every little bit of information is important to someone. So, my question for Listers is: What occupation was your Massac County ancestor engaged in??? Post your answers here on the list. Thank you, Bill Oliver List and Site Manager -=-

My most sought after ancestor is Thomas Jefferson Taylor or Tommy Taylor. He was a sheriff for Massac County. I would love to find out who his parents were. He was supposedly born in Stewart County, TN but I have been unable to find parents. CJ Psalms 108:1-4 "My heart is steadfast, O God, my heart is steadfast! I will sing and make melody! Awake, O my soul! Awake, O harp and lyre! I will awake the dawn! I will give thanks to the thee, O Lord, among the peoples, I will sing praises to thee among the nations. For they steadfast love is great above the heavens, thy faithfulness reaches to the clouds."(RSV)

Hi Wondered if someone out there has this name in their records. I am trying to tie down one Allen G Tally or Talley to a Rosa J Huffstutler/Huffsteter (been spelled a couple of ways. Found this family in the 1880 Census Illinois Massac County Town of Hillerman A G Tally, Head, 58, farmer, TN NY NY R J Tally, Wife, 58, keeps house, TN VA TN Joe or Jam. Tally, Son, 20, farm laborer, Ark TN TN Jas Penix, Step Son, 17, farm laborer, MO MO TN Samuel Penix, Step son, 13, farm laborer, MO MO TN William Tally, Son, 8, IL TN TN I believe that the R J Tally in this census could of been the wife of James Phenix/Penix before this marriage. James & Rosa J had at least 2 children: James and Samuel. As you see in the census it lists James & Samuel as step children. Have never been able to find James and Rosa J in a census. The name Phoenix, has been spelled so many ways could be the reason. I thought that James must of died somewhere in between 1867 and 1880. Now for the puzzle. Have James Penix/Phenix' Marriage record to Renie Campbell and it says that the witnesses were James Phenix & Anie Campbell. And of course I am still trying to figure out who Anie was. Confused.....The marriage took place at Andrew Campbell's House (the father of the bride) Have been unable to locate a death record or a tombstone for Jas Phenix. Have been unable to find a marriage record for A G Tally & Rosa J Huffstutler . What adds more to my feeling that these families are tied is that all of her children named a daughter after their mother Rosa J and that her son Samuel named a child after his dad (James). Samuel married one Savannah Manley. I also have an affidavit signed by Allen G Tally. He signed a paper to help my Gr Gr Gr Grandfather Andrew B Campbell get his Civil War Pension. On another affidavit his wife or someone else named Rosa J Tally also signed for him. Have I confused you yet? Know I am running on, but thought I would try to pick someone elses brain concerning this puzzle. Is there anyone out there that has a William Tally in their family. I am trying to figure this out also. William in the 1880 Census was 8 yrs old. R J would of been 50 yrs old. See what I mean. William Tally married on Stella A Henderson Nov 30, 1899 in Massac County. Well guess I better close, but wanted to throw this out and see if anyone has any ideas. Thanks For Reading and of course Happy Hunting in Your Searches! Sally

Judy, Didn't find my SUMMERS, but found my brother and sister in law, Kenneth Wendell and Linda Kay MACKLEY FOREMAN. The link is for the obituary of Albert Millis Foreman, a very dear man, who died this past January. Sandy http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa. states.missouri.counties.stfrancois&m=5727