Dear Listers, My brother and I will be visiting Golconda and Metropolis later this week to do some "on-site" research at both the County Clerk offices as well as the public libraries for more information on the Henry Shappard family who resided in Rose Bud during the 1850-1890s. I especially would like to find the gravesite of Henry's mother, Hanne Wilhelmine Overmark. After losing her husband, Fritz Schabbehard on the trip to America, she married Frederick Wilhelm Overmark in Pope County in 1854. She is listed as one of the heirs of Frederick's on his 1868 probate. Does anyone have any knowledge of her burial place? Any good places to start? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Phil Shappard Winfield, IL -----Original Message----- From: ILMASSAC-D-request@rootsweb.com <ILMASSAC-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ILMASSAC-D@rootsweb.com <ILMASSAC-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 8:48 AM Subject: ILMASSAC-D Digest V00 #46 _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Here is the schedule for June 29th through July 3rd: The Pope County All School Reunion will begin... Thursday, June 29 in the courtyard with a varity/comedy show. Friday: 7:00pm. Courtyard music under the trees until dark. Lighted boat parade on the river. Saturday: 4:00pm. Main Street parade of floats (entries by individual classes). Ice Cream in the courtyard. Monday, July 3rd is the Program, Dinner and Dance. You would see a lot of people there. Also some of the teachers that taught in the 40's and 50's. Joan Davidson is on the reunion committee and can tell you more. She will know who is coming to the reunion. Phone # 618-683-4004. Judy Foreman Lee New email: UdyDee@aol.com Old email: jflee@evansville.net <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/il/leefoss/">Lee and Foss, Southeastern Illinois Genealogy Publishers</A>

Hi Listers, Does anyone have a 1850 or 1855 or1860 Massac Census-.. I am looking for these families. John M Ledford b-1828 Martha Ann Ledford b-- 1830 who married ? Allen. Also the widow of Solmon Ledford her age would be 40's to 60's( would like to know her first name) Thanks for any help . It is very much appreciated. Joyce

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In a message dated 4/4/2000 3:27:45 PM Central Daylight Time, booklvr@myfreeoffice.com writes: << http://myfreeoffice.com/hrywlfrd//books.html >> thanks that site looked good for information..

I don't know if this is what you need, but here is what I found....Good luck in your research......Deena Walker John N 62 Walker,Wm. Sep 1891 Johnson Co. IL. white Dewitt,Sallie farmer TN three Grimes,Mary J. 62 Grimes,Robert Massac Co. IL. white Turner,Sarah TN one Goins,Reuben 70 Unknown 13 Feb. 1878 Metropolis Prct black Judia Rachel farmer SC two Davis, Mrs Rena 58 Stefson, Abram Lovelace,Rena black Stefson Metropolis, IL. VA twice -----Original Message----- From: Kay3068@aol.com <Kay3068@aol.com> To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:33 AM Subject: [ILMASSAC] Marriage Record >Does anyone have access to the following marriages to tell me who the parents >are and any other info. that might pertain to these people? > >Reuben Grimes married Rena Lovelace Davis, Feb. 13, 1878 > >Mary J. Grimes married John W. Walker, Sept. 1891 > >thanks for any help > >Kim >

Does anyone have access to the following marriages to tell me who the parents are and any other info. that might pertain to these people? Reuben Grimes married Rena Lovelace Davis, Feb. 13, 1878 Mary J. Grimes married John W. Walker, Sept. 1891 thanks for any help Kim

Phil Shappard wrote: > > > > Right at the top of the page was the birth record that I had so longed to find, "Johann Heinrich Schabbehard" with Johann Friederick Schabbehard and Hanne Wilhelmine Beckman listed as parents. I have been back to the local Family History Center (Naperville, IL Mormon Church Library) and subsequently have found Henry's known siblings Anne and Elizabeth and an older brother Gottfried Dietrich Schabbehard born in 1839 living only three weeks. I also found Fritz and Hanne's 1837 marriage record wh > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Phil Shappard Phil-- My Brinker and Kleinschmidt ancestors came from Westfalen (a village called Schale, NW of Osnabruck) just before 1850 and settled in Cincinnati until moving to Massac county in 1855, but I do not know their port of entry. I found their names at the local LDS Family History Center in an index that led me to a book by Friedrich Muller "Westfalische Auswanderer im 19. Jahrhundert - Auswanderung aus dem Regier ungsbezirk Munster, Part 1. 1803-1850." It lists immigrants who left Munster between 1803 and 1850, but if it gives the name of the ship or point of entry, I did not find it. I know a lot of Germans settled in Cincinnati, so you might try that route. Also, when I was in Metropolis last summer for a Brinker reunion, I visited St. Stephens cemetery and found some Shappard headstones: "Shappard, Erma, wife of Raymond, 1899-1925" "Earnest R. Shappard 1924-1931" "Valda E. Shappard 1911-192?" I suppose I wrote these down because one of my Brinker cousins in Brookport had been married to a Shappard. I hope some of what I have written will be of use to you. Please email me if I can provide any more information. Nancy Brinker Trezise

A big thank you to those who have given bits of advice in my researching the German origins of Henry and William Shappard of Rose Bud. Not able to find the birth town listed on both brother's Civil War discharge papers of 1864, I started to look at the other Germans that settled around Rose Bud to see if there was some common thread in their German origins. Several of you mentioned the Schildesche/Bielefeld area in Westfalen, so I took the step to order all the Family History Library microfilm of the Schildesche, Germany Lutheran church for the 1800s. With only Henry's birthdate of July 4, 1844 and the knowledge of his parents names, Fritz Schaphard and Hanna Beckman Schaphard I went to the film of the July 1844 births. Right at the top of the page was the birth record that I had so longed to find, "Johann Heinrich Schabbehard" with Johann Friederick Schabbehard and Hanne Wilhelmine Beckman listed as parents. I have been back to the local Family History Center (Naperville, IL Mormon Church Library) and subsequently have found Henry's known siblings Anne and Elizabeth and an older brother Gottfried Dietrich Schabbehard born in 1839 living only three weeks. I also found Fritz and Hanne's 1837 marriage record which lists their birthdates and names of parents. Ah, the thrill of the chase!! My inquiry to the listers is to find out on which ship and what date did they travel to Pope County. My late uncle Howard Shappard of Metropolis left us the knowledge that Henry and William were sent ahead of the rest of the family to America to escape forced military training in 1850. The rest of the family followed with the next two years with Fritz dying at sea. Does anyone have knowledge of their Pope County German ancestors path to America? I assume it was mostly through New Orleans and then up the river. Did everyone come to St. Louis first and then move down to Pope and Massac counties? This information might help me find both the boys and parents passage. I am assuming the the boys must have traveled with friends of the family such as the Bruggers, Rixies or Obermarks??? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Phil Shappard

In a message dated 3/24/2000 7:56:50 PM Central Standard Time, pshappard@netzero.net writes: << >> Phil, good luck in your research. Sounds like you have had great success with your German ancestry... Donna

We are searching for an Elijah, William, & Sean Westmoreland (also spelled Westmoland or Moland) and an A. P. White. Born in this area. Thanks Jay & Jan Westmorland ICQ#15763188 Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3817/ Have A Nice Day

Looking for info on Sarah OWENS, dau. of Levi and Martha J. OWENS, sister of James J.,Samuel T., and Blitha L. OWENS, living in Massac Co., IL, in later half of 1800's. Married Solomon DEAN in 1866-68, and had several children in that area, among them are: Blanche,John, Alonzo, Arthur D., Charles O., Harry C., StellaT. and Henry T. DEAN, b. 1892. Anyone out there related who can help? Sarah and her brothers were born in Humphreys Co., TN, 1849 thru 1863, then the family moved to Massac Co, IL. where Levi died sometime before 1900 and Martha lived til sometime after 1910 Census. I believe Sarah and Solomon Dean were in Massac Co., IL during the 30 yr. period from 1870 or so to 1900, and probably much after 1900. Thanks for any help. Regina

> Barbi- I was totally surprised by your answer. I have not been working on >the Pryors real long because I have had to start with the now and work >backwards with few clues. That is why the true surprise. So to start a BIG >BIG Thanks. I have not been on this board very long either. This is proof it >works very well. I live in Elgin IL. which is about 40 miles west of >Chicago. I was wondering if I could contact you by phone . You could e-mail >me your phone number (not thru the board). I could send you copies of Thomas >Pryor's civil war papers and the tree as to how we came to be as well as >Netta's info that I have. My brother ,the good looking one, (he made me say >that), called me from Texas as soon as he saw your reply to me this >afternoon. Please let me know about the personal contact. Thomas Pryor is >my G G Grandfather . Thanks again. Linda > > > >At 09:30 AM 3/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi Linda, I was so glad to hear from you. I don't yet know much about your >>Thomas Lewis Pryor and his descendants. Your Thomas was a brother to my >>Daniel Risinger Pryor, and I understand your Thomas was a twin to John. >> >>I'd love to exchange information with you and perhaps we can solve some of >>the mysteries and questions. >> >>I have Thomas Lewis Pryor born 12-22-1842 in IL, married 2-8-1866 to >>Vernetta (Netta) Lawrance (she was born 1841 d. 1949). Thomas died probably >>between 1880-1890, and served in the Civil War. >> >>Four brothers served in the Civil War, yours, mine, and Samuel M. Hamilton >>Pryor, and another I'm not sure of. Story goes 3 in Union side, 1 in >>Confederate side. >> >>I know parents of your Thomas and my Daniel were Daniel Farley Pryor and >>Nancy Louis Risinger, but I'm trying to confirm whether Daniel Farley's >>parents were John Alexander/Armstrong Pryor and Martha Vaughn. I have the >>information my great-uncle Bob gave me, but he disliked scoundrels and I >>must go back and document what he gave me. >> >>I also have the information from Daniel Risinger Pryor's family bible which >>gave the genealogy from Daniel Farley Pryor down. >> >>How long have you been working these Pryor's? >> >>I know Daniel Farley Pryor's brother, Joseph Everett, was in Pope Co in >>1816; that's the earliest I find them here. The story is they were in >>Livingston Co KY just over the river from Pope Co but lost their land when >>the courthouse and the deed information burned. That is supposed to be >>about 1810-11. >> >>There are more stories and I'd love to share. I'm in St. Louis; where are >>you? The Pryor's have a family reunion each year in August in Kalamazoo, >>Michigan. We come from all over the U.S. The oldest family members is 92. >> >>Thanking you for your response. >>Barbi Diehl >>bdiehl@bsda-transit.org >>P.O. Box 510092 >>St. Louis MO 63151-0092 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mike & Linda Scully [mailto:mlscully@ix.netcom.com] >>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:11 PM >>To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] NEW MASSAC COUNTY BOOK >> >> >>Barbi in St.Louis- I too am researching Pryors in the Massac County area as >>well as Pope county . Mine is Thomas L Pryor born in 1843 Pope county >>married to Vernetta (Roberts) Lawrance. >>Godd Luck . >> Linda Scully

Barbi- I was totally surprised by your answer. I have not been working on the Pryors real long because I have had to start with the now and work backwards with few clues. That is why the true surprise. So to start a BIG BIG Thanks. I have not been on this board very long either. This is proof it works very well. I live in Elgin IL. which is about 40 miles west of Chicago. I was wondering if I could contact you by phone . You could e-mail me your phone number (not thru the board). I could send you copies of Thomas Pryor's civil war papers and the tree as to how we came to be as well as Netta's info that I have. My brother ,the good looking one, (he made me say that), called me from Texas as soon as he saw your reply to me this afternoon. Please let me know about the personal contact. Thomas Pryor is my G G Grandfather . Thanks again. Linda At 09:30 AM 3/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Linda, I was so glad to hear from you. I don't yet know much about your >Thomas Lewis Pryor and his descendants. Your Thomas was a brother to my >Daniel Risinger Pryor, and I understand your Thomas was a twin to John. > >I'd love to exchange information with you and perhaps we can solve some of >the mysteries and questions. > >I have Thomas Lewis Pryor born 12-22-1842 in IL, married 2-8-1866 to >Vernetta (Netta) Lawrance (she was born 1841 d. 1949). Thomas died probably >between 1880-1890, and served in the Civil War. > >Four brothers served in the Civil War, yours, mine, and Samuel M. Hamilton >Pryor, and another I'm not sure of. Story goes 3 in Union side, 1 in >Confederate side. > >I know parents of your Thomas and my Daniel were Daniel Farley Pryor and >Nancy Louis Risinger, but I'm trying to confirm whether Daniel Farley's >parents were John Alexander/Armstrong Pryor and Martha Vaughn. I have the >information my great-uncle Bob gave me, but he disliked scoundrels and I >must go back and document what he gave me. > >I also have the information from Daniel Risinger Pryor's family bible which >gave the genealogy from Daniel Farley Pryor down. > >How long have you been working these Pryor's? > >I know Daniel Farley Pryor's brother, Joseph Everett, was in Pope Co in >1816; that's the earliest I find them here. The story is they were in >Livingston Co KY just over the river from Pope Co but lost their land when >the courthouse and the deed information burned. That is supposed to be >about 1810-11. > >There are more stories and I'd love to share. I'm in St. Louis; where are >you? The Pryor's have a family reunion each year in August in Kalamazoo, >Michigan. We come from all over the U.S. The oldest family members is 92. > >Thanking you for your response. >Barbi Diehl >bdiehl@bsda-transit.org >P.O. Box 510092 >St. Louis MO 63151-0092 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike & Linda Scully [mailto:mlscully@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:11 PM >To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] NEW MASSAC COUNTY BOOK >

Barbi- I was totally surprised by your answer. I have not been working on the Pryors real long because I have had to start with the now and work backwards with few clues. That is why the true surprise. So to start a BIG BIG Thanks. I have not been on this board very long either. This is proof it works very well. I live in Elgin IL. which is about 40 miles west of Chicago. I was wondering if I could contact you by phone . You could e-mail me your phone number (not thru the board). I could send you copies of Thomas Pryor's civil war papers and the tree as to how we came to be as well as Netta's info that I have. My brother ,the good looking one, (he made me say that), called me from Texas as soon as he saw your reply to me this afternoon. Please let me know about the personal contact. Thomas Pryor is my G G Grandfather . Thanks again. Linda At 09:30 AM 3/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Linda, I was so glad to hear from you. I don't yet know much about your >Thomas Lewis Pryor and his descendants. Your Thomas was a brother to my >Daniel Risinger Pryor, and I understand your Thomas was a twin to John. > >I'd love to exchange information with you and perhaps we can solve some of >the mysteries and questions. > >I have Thomas Lewis Pryor born 12-22-1842 in IL, married 2-8-1866 to >Vernetta (Netta) Lawrance (she was born 1841 d. 1949). Thomas died probably >between 1880-1890, and served in the Civil War. > >Four brothers served in the Civil War, yours, mine, and Samuel M. Hamilton >Pryor, and another I'm not sure of. Story goes 3 in Union side, 1 in >Confederate side. > >I know parents of your Thomas and my Daniel were Daniel Farley Pryor and >Nancy Louis Risinger, but I'm trying to confirm whether Daniel Farley's >parents were John Alexander/Armstrong Pryor and Martha Vaughn. I have the >information my great-uncle Bob gave me, but he disliked scoundrels and I >must go back and document what he gave me. > >I also have the information from Daniel Risinger Pryor's family bible which >gave the genealogy from Daniel Farley Pryor down. > >How long have you been working these Pryor's? > >I know Daniel Farley Pryor's brother, Joseph Everett, was in Pope Co in >1816; that's the earliest I find them here. The story is they were in >Livingston Co KY just over the river from Pope Co but lost their land when >the courthouse and the deed information burned. That is supposed to be >about 1810-11. > >There are more stories and I'd love to share. I'm in St. Louis; where are >you? The Pryor's have a family reunion each year in August in Kalamazoo, >Michigan. We come from all over the U.S. The oldest family members is 92. > >Thanking you for your response. >Barbi Diehl >bdiehl@bsda-transit.org >P.O. Box 510092 >St. Louis MO 63151-0092 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike & Linda Scully [mailto:mlscully@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:11 PM >To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] NEW MASSAC COUNTY BOOK > > >Barbi in St.Louis- I too am researching Pryors in the Massac County area as >well as Pope county . Mine is Thomas L Pryor born in 1843 Pope county >married to Vernetta (Roberts) Lawrance. >Godd Luck . > Linda Scully

Hi Linda, I was so glad to hear from you. I don't yet know much about your Thomas Lewis Pryor and his descendants. Your Thomas was a brother to my Daniel Risinger Pryor, and I understand your Thomas was a twin to John. I'd love to exchange information with you and perhaps we can solve some of the mysteries and questions. I have Thomas Lewis Pryor born 12-22-1842 in IL, married 2-8-1866 to Vernetta (Netta) Lawrance (she was born 1841 d. 1949). Thomas died probably between 1880-1890, and served in the Civil War. Four brothers served in the Civil War, yours, mine, and Samuel M. Hamilton Pryor, and another I'm not sure of. Story goes 3 in Union side, 1 in Confederate side. I know parents of your Thomas and my Daniel were Daniel Farley Pryor and Nancy Louis Risinger, but I'm trying to confirm whether Daniel Farley's parents were John Alexander/Armstrong Pryor and Martha Vaughn. I have the information my great-uncle Bob gave me, but he disliked scoundrels and I must go back and document what he gave me. I also have the information from Daniel Risinger Pryor's family bible which gave the genealogy from Daniel Farley Pryor down. How long have you been working these Pryor's? I know Daniel Farley Pryor's brother, Joseph Everett, was in Pope Co in 1816; that's the earliest I find them here. The story is they were in Livingston Co KY just over the river from Pope Co but lost their land when the courthouse and the deed information burned. That is supposed to be about 1810-11. There are more stories and I'd love to share. I'm in St. Louis; where are you? The Pryor's have a family reunion each year in August in Kalamazoo, Michigan. We come from all over the U.S. The oldest family members is 92. Thanking you for your response. Barbi Diehl bdiehl@bsda-transit.org P.O. Box 510092 St. Louis MO 63151-0092 -----Original Message----- From: Mike & Linda Scully [mailto:mlscully@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:11 PM To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILMASSAC] NEW MASSAC COUNTY BOOK Barbi in St.Louis- I too am researching Pryors in the Massac County area as well as Pope county . Mine is Thomas L Pryor born in 1843 Pope county married to Vernetta (Roberts) Lawrance. Godd Luck . Linda Scully At 11:30 AM 3/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >Ann, are there any PRYORs, RISINGERs, or FARLEYs in the book? I've only been >on this board a short time; which new book are you using? > >Thanks >Barbi in St. Louis >

Barbi in St.Louis- I too am researching Pryors in the Massac County area as well as Pope county . Mine is Thomas L Pryor born in 1843 Pope county married to Vernetta (Roberts) Lawrance. Godd Luck . Linda Scully At 11:30 AM 3/9/00 -0600, you wrote: >Ann, are there any PRYORs, RISINGERs, or FARLEYs in the book? I've only been >on this board a short time; which new book are you using? > >Thanks >Barbi in St. Louis >

Nancy As I recall I ordered marriage cert copies from the Massac Genealogical Society which I belong to and I paid 2.00 per copy. Linda

I don't know the answer to your question but am curious as to what Carter you might be looking for. I too am searching for Carter's a great great grandparents. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nandeeclay@aol.com> To: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: [ILMASSAC] ORDERING MARRIAGE RECORDS > Can anyone tell me the cost of obtaining copies of marriage records in Massac > County. I have gotten some from Saline County and know the cost is only > $2.00 per license, and now need to order some from Massac county. Thanks in > advance for your help. > > Nancy in Iowa > > Searching: Arrowood, Barrett, Carter, McNeeley, Myers, Spencer --plus a few > others States involved are mainly: Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, North > Carolina -- plus a few others. > >

--WebTV-Mail-8296-5683 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit HI Nancy, I got very excited when I was you were looking for Spencers. I am from a Spencer line from Masac. Pope, ad Perry Co. What Spencer are you looking for? I'm from the decendents of Thomas D Spencer and Minerva Jane Clark Kirkpatrick of 1830's. My name is Linda Spencer MacReynolds and I live in Orlando. I found a cousin in Kansas last Oct. Hope to hear from you soon. Maybe we can help each other. Linda --WebTV-Mail-8296-5683 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-277.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:52:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <ILMASSAC-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.27]) by mailsorter-101-8.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id SAA26531; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00371; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:50:50 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nandeeclay@aol.com Message-ID: <72.209ca48.25fdb161@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:50:09 EST Old-To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 9 Subject: [ILMASSAC] ORDERING MARRIAGE RECORDS Resent-Message-ID: <gaNR6C.A.rD.IeFz4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/340 X-Loop: ILMASSAC-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ILMASSAC-L-request@rootsweb.com Can anyone tell me the cost of obtaining copies of marriage records in Massac County. I have gotten some from Saline County and know the cost is only $2.00 per license, and now need to order some from Massac county. Thanks in advance for your help. Nancy in Iowa Searching: Arrowood, Barrett, Carter, McNeeley, Myers, Spencer --plus a few others States involved are mainly: Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, North Carolina -- plus a few others. --WebTV-Mail-8296-5683--