I ran across this way to determine those 3rd cousin, twice removed things. It was new to me and it seems to work in my tests. Count the number of generations back to the common ancestor for you and your "cousin." The number of cousin is 1 less than the lower number of generations to the common ancestor. The number of times removed is the difference between the number of generations between the two "cousins." So, If I am 5 generations away from the common ancestor and you are 7, then we are 5 - 1 = 4th cousins. As for removeds, 7 - 5 =2 times removed. So we are 4th cousins twice removed. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Central Illinois Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01

Page 801, Kilbourne Township WILLIAM BRENT farmer, P.O. Havana, was born in Yorkshire, England, Aug. 31, 1842; the son of Robert Brent, who came to this country in October, 1864, and, like many others, lodged in Mason Co., where he has been a resident ever since. In January, 1870, he married Mrs. Martha Hanline; two children have been born from this union -- Harry, Nov. 16, 1872; Stella, April 29, 1874. He is engaged in farming and always has been, and is striving to make an honest living and hopes by attention to his business and exercising economy to attain a competency for his declining years. BENJAMIN BRENT, farmer; P.O. Kilbourne; born in Yorkshire, England; son of Robert Brent; they emigrated to this State in 1866; and, in his 20th year, set out for himself and began work on a farm by the month. Nov. 9, 1872, he was united in matrimony with Caroline Pulling; born in this county Feb. 19, 1850; daughter of Charles Pulling, a native of England; one child has been born to them---Robert, born Aug. 1, 1873. Mr. Brent has begun life with a determination to make something of himself, is hard-working and attentive to his business. page 753, Havana Township under bio for De Witt C. Brown.... ......Mr. B. has served a period of about twenty years as School Director. He was married, in 1851, to Mrs. Ann (Gibbs) Shelly, who was born in England. Her father, William Gibbs, was a powder manufacturer, and at one time was employed by Du Pont. They have three children----John, Charlie, and Josephine, wife of John Brent, who resides in Mason Co. END Regards, Karen Foster Montgomery ps....index also lists Charles Pulling.

I found out that the Central St. Public library has the book: The Hstory of Menard and Mason counties and other reference materials for Mason County. Thank once again for offering to type it for me. I sorry that iI did not do my homework before I asked about the purchase of the book. Thank you. Thomas Brent

I guess I should have asked about this book( History of Menard and Mason County). $75 might just be out my price range. I will have to give it more thought. Thanks again

<A HREF="http://www.havana.lib.il.us/community/mcghs.html">Mason County Genealogical & Historical Society</A> Mason County Genealogical & Historical Society P.O. Box 446 Havana, IL 62644 NOTICE!!!!! THE REPRINTS ARE HERE!!! If you didn't order at pre-publication you now can purchase the book and take it home with you. They are available at the Library and NeverEnding Story. MCGHS has reprinted - "The History of Menard & Mason Counties - 1879" You may purchase your personal copy of this remarkable publication for just $70.00. (If you want your copy mailed add $5.00 for shipping and handling) Order form appears at their site. regards, Karen

Thank you, this would be nice to add to my list, the Brents marry into my Waterworth family as do the Pullings. Betty Higgs Howlett They were all from the Havana, Easton area.

Thank you for replying to my e-mail even though you are not not in my line. Is the History of Menard and Mason Counties available anywhere for sale or is just in your library? If I could obtain a copy of this book or if it is available in the library here in St.louis, Mo,I could do the research and save you from typing it. I think most of the people you mentioned from this book are possibly in my family line. I know Harry Brent is my grandather and Stella Brent was Harry's sister. Martha Hainline was married to William Brent(Harry and Stella parents) and are possibly my great grandparents. If I cannot get hold of this book , I would appreciate any information you will be willing to type on these individuals. Thank you. Thomas D. Brent

This is not my line, but I did find the following listed in the cemetery book for Havana, Laurel Hill Cemetery. BRENT, BESSIE BORN 5/5/1907 DIED 10/18/1959, AGE 52 BRENT, EDGAR C. BORN ? DIED 3/3/1976, AGE 78 BRENT, JOHN BORN 1853 DIED 12/25/1923, AGE 71 BRENT, JOSEPHINE BORN 7/11/1858 DIED 1/10/1929, AGE 70 Also, in the book, History of Menard and Mason Counties, in the index, is listed various Brent family members along with the page # where they can be found in that book. I will only list the given names here, and if you want more information about any particular one, please let me know. I will have to type up the information before sending it. BENJAMIN CAROLINE (PULLING) HARRY JOHN JOSEPHINE (BROWN) MARTHA HANLINE ROBERT STELLA WILLIAM Regards, Karen Foster Montgomery

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Hi Thomas, I am pretty sure that the Brents that I am looking at are your family line, here is what I have, hope this helps you. In 1842 Marry and a man named Robert Brent were married, she was almost twenty three years old, and he was twenty five. They also began farming in Scrayingham, England area. Over the next 16years Mary and Robert parented 6 children, including a set of twins. Their children were William, 1843, Benjamin, 1850, John, in 1852, Gearge and Hannah in 1854 and the last wasElizabeth born in 1858. In 1847, Robert Brent is farming near Yorkshire, England. The Brents arrive in the area of Kilbourne, just south of Peterville, Illinois. They bring their 6 children William being 17 and the youngest, Elizabeth aged two. Benjamin Brent dates a Caroline Pulling who happens to be my great grandfather Charles H. Waterworth's first wife, Adaline Pulling's twin sister. Yes, this is confusing, get a piece of paper and start making a family tree or something. I believe that Charles father James buys land from the Pulling twins maternal grandparents, the Leafs. Their mother's name was Eliza Leaf Pulling. Robert and Mary come over later than the other Waterworth's as Mary is taking care of her mother back in England, after she dies, she and her family join the others in the Havana arean of Mason County, Illinois Robert and Mary Waterworth Brent children: William Brent 1843 to 1920 married to Martha Hainline children Harry Brent 1872 - ? Stella Brent 1874 Benjamin Brent 1850 to 1912 married to Caroline Pulling 1850 - 1936 her twin Adaline marries Mary Waterworth's nephew Charles Henry. This would be her brother James Wateworth's son. children Robert Edward Brent Mary Louisa Brent Alice Emmaline Brent Selina Brent John Brent 1852 - 1923 married to Josephine Brown 1858 - 1929 children Mary Ann Brent Robert Clinton Brent Bertha Brent Vena Brent Thomas Brent Nina Pearl Brent Mabel Ruth Brent Edgar Charles Brent George Brent 1854 Hannah Brent 1854 Elizabeth Brent 1858 Please email me back, I think you will find that this is your family line.

Thank you for your reply. I do not know much about my grandfather Harry Brent's family because he died in the late 50's in St. Louis, Missouri. At this time, I was a child and living in Savannah, Georgia. The only way I know he was born In Havana, Illinois is from a photo- copy of my father Allen Dugger Brent's birth certificate (born in Litchfield, Illinois 19 October 1908,died in Savannah, Ga. in March 1960). Here is what I do know about my father's parrent's and family: wife: Grace Dugger(born in Carlinville,Illinois in 1884 or 1885, died in St.Louis,Missouri in late 1960's) Children: Allen Dugger Brent,Harriet Brent Lucco, Martha Brent Cason(died in St. Louis in late 1950's or early 1960's), and another daughter who died in her's teens of some kind of disease). I think my grandfather owned or worked for drugstore in both Litchfield and Gillespie Illinois . I know for a fact that the Great Depression was the reason my grandparents moved to St. Louis,Mo . I know that the Brent's are of English or Welsh descent. I hope this additional information will help you determine if this is same Harry Brent in your family tree. Please let me know if this helped because I am beginner at Famlily tree research. Thomas Dalton Brent

I have him listed in my family tree as being born in 1872, married to ? he was the son of William Brent and Martha Hainline, William was the son of Robert Brent and Mary Waterworth. Is this the same one you are talking about? Harry is shown with a sister named Stella who marries a Gill. Let me know. Betty Higgs Howlett

My grandfather Harry Brent was born in Havana Illinois in late 1800's. I seeking information on his birth date,his parents name, and his family. Thank you. Thomas Brent

Here is a message from the National Genealogical Society. They are moving their book loan collection to St. Louis and making them available to a wider number of people. Bottom line: the collection will be available through interlibrary loan. If you have more questions check out their web site -- URL is near the bottom of the announcement. ===================================================================== NEW PARTNERSHIP FOR THE NGS LIBRARY ===================================================================== The National Genealogical Society (NGS) Board of Directors is committed to providing the highest level of information, services, and products possible to NGS members. To this end we have become immersed in a strategic directions initiative. We are looking to provide more services to our members with the same number of staff and the same level of resources. And as I am sure you can imagine, our financial resources continue to be rather modest, particularly in this time of economic downturn. Despite rumors, stories, and musings to the contrary, the National Genealogical Society Library is not closing nor are its collections being randomly dispersed to other libraries. It is important for me to state again for the record: the National Genealogical Society Library is not closing. Rather it is being reconstituted in a manner more conducive to providing better services to the society's membership. Historically, the book loan collection has been under-utilized by the society's membership. Yet no one, absolutely no one, is interested in terminating the book loan service. The NGS staff and board of directors appreciate that while little used by the majority of members, the book loan service is highly valued by a number of members. The challenge before us was to find a way to continue making the book loan service available while freeing the NGS librarian and her staff to provide more valuable reference services for our members-services that would make NGS an increasingly invaluable part of more genealogists' lives. After much study and deliberation, the NGS board voted to create the nation's largest family and local history book loan collection through a partnership with the St. Louis County Library (SLCL). This partnership creates some of the most exciting growth opportunities for a book loan collection the genealogical community has ever seen. As specified by the agreement, all of the books SLCL receives from NGS must be made available for loan, making the entire NGS book loan collection as close as your nearest public, college, or university library. The two organizations have committed to meet at least yearly to review the status of the arrangement and modify as needed to make the books as accessible as possible. I believe it is important to also note that having the NGS Book Loan Collection at the St. Louis County Library carries the following additional benefits. 1. Book loan requests will be filled five days a week, rather than just one day per week as we had been doing at Glebe House. The service will be much more responsive. 2. Neither the St. Louis County Library nor the NGS Library will have to close to perform the interlibrary loans. In the past the NGS Library had to close to perform loan functions. 3. The St. Louis County Library has a much larger staff to handle loan requests. 4. The St. Louis County Library is committed to assisting NGS with reference questions that result from use of the loan collection. 5. Housing the loan collection in St. Louis means that the book loan collection will be in one place and in one consistent order. Currently, the NGS book loan collection is in two different facilities on the Glebe House grounds as well as two different remote storage facilities. 6. The St. Louis County Library will market the book loan collection in ways NGS was never able. 7. The St. Louis County Library will be offering programs at national conferences on the riches and use of the loan collection. 8. The St. Louis County Library will be enhancing web access to the loan collection, and creating pathfinders and use-aids for the collection as well as highlighting unique items. 9. The staff of the St. Louis County Library is most competent, professional, and very excited about making this arrangement truly benefit both organizations. The administrative, special collections, and interlibrary loan staffs in particular are truly extraordinary. I know this from months of personal experiences and interactions with them. Both SLCL and NGS are committed to growing the book loan collection in very dramatic ways. While we are not yet at the announcement stage, we are contacting numerous genealogical libraries, societies, and other organizations that heretofore were not interested in giving their duplicate materials to NGS because of our space constraints and the manner in which we had to run our loan program. We are asking these entities to reconsider enhancing our national loan collection by designating this new partner collection as the repository of their duplicates. In addition to finding a much better way to conduct the society's book loan program, I believe the NGS board's commitment to enhancing its library and information services can be evidenced in a number of significant ways. 1. The NGS librarian remains an important, full-time position on the society's staffing table, on par with other professional staff employed by the society. 2. The society's valuable manuscript collections (including the marvelous Richardson Dougall European Manuscript Collection), its archive of Bible records, the AMA files, and the MAC chart files are all being maintained at the Glebe House Library. Indeed, efforts will continue to be explored to acquire other such unique collections of materials. 3. The society is maintaining its contracts with CAPCON (the OCLC library cooperative in the DC-VA-MD area) and The Library Corporation (TLC). Access to OCLC will allow NGS staff to assist members in finding important family and local history books worldwide. Maintaining our online catalog through TLC will allow staff to eventually catalog our many manuscript collections, making them far more accessible to our members. The TLC system can also be used for providing new member services in the information arena. 4. The look-up services of NGSearch (e.g. Germans to America, Italians to America, etc.) will be maintained and expanded. 5. The society will continue to accept donations for both its reference collection being maintained at Glebe House and the book loan collection. 6. A new service to retrieve information and records from Washington, DC area repositories is being explored as a new service to members. 7. A new, members-only Help Desk will be established as a part of library services to provide personalized guidance to researchers just getting started, getting started again, and those who have reached an impasse of some kind. Toll-free help lines, designated e-mail addresses, and partnerships with other genealogical libraries to investigate a 24-7 reference assistance model are all being explored. Indeed, I believe you will be pleasantly surprised and pleased when all of our plans for the expansion of services in our newly reconstituted library are unveiled. Your NGS Board of Directors truly believes this new partnership with the St. Louis County Library will make for a stronger and more responsive society as well as a stronger and more vital library at Glebe House. Curt B. Witcher President, National Genealogical Society http://www.ngsgenealogy.org Curt B. Witcher Manager, Historical Genealogy Department Allen County Public Library P. O. Box 2270, 900 Webster Street Fort Wayne, IN 46801-2270 CWitcher@ACPL.Lib.in.us --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01

Seek descendants of Miss Margaret J. CADWALLADER who was in grade school at Havana, Mason Co. IL on 18 March 1863. I have a certificate of qualification to second grade signed by W. E. KNOX, School Commissioner. Will be happy to make copies for descendants. Please send requests directly to kathyhoover@att.net. I'm unsubscribing from this list as soon as I post this because I personally have no ancestry in Mason Co. IL.

This is an addendum to information given earlier: Havana Township Section 36 NW 1/4 of the NW 1/4 on in timber on a hill about a quarter of a mile south of road 1200 N. according to the LDS published cemetery listing. According to the 1999 plat book section 36 in Havana township appears to belong to Paul Colbert. Ben Lowes lives in the closest house between 2100E and 2200E on 1200N. Joan Black Lund j-lund@uiuc.edu

I just recieved a copy of James M. Center's funeral notice of 8 Aug 1933 ,from the Kansas City MO paper. It states that James had 2 sisters who lived in Mason City, IL whose names are Mrs. Josie Ewers and Mrs. Jane Gleason. Would love to hear from anyone researching either of these ladies. Their parents were Levi and Frances (May) Center or Centers. Josie Emma Center's husband's name was Edward. Thanks! Mary Caudle

Does anyone know if the Havana Library has updated its photo file of newspapers through the 1920s. My grandparents lived there in the 20's, when my father was a boy. I am trying to find accounts of a significant business-related event in their lives. It would have been the newspaper, because it was reported to have even been in the Chicago paper. But I don't know how to access the newspapers. The time I visited there, the newspapers had been photographed (microfiche) to sometime in the teens. Thank you, Jim Tucker On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Dorothy Nanninga Sewell wrote: > You could check with the Havana Library at > http://www.Havana.lib.il.us > > Dottie > > > > ==== ILMASON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the digest send an email to ILMason-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. >

You could check with the Havana Library at http://www.Havana.lib.il.us Dottie

I am curious to know if there is a source of obituaries for the Havana area in the 1880s. I am looking for info on my great-great grandfather, Washington TEVIS/TIVIS. He also went by George W. and John W. He died December 1, 1887 in Bath, Illinois. Thank you.